Coils of Bahamut... and its inconsistent challenge level.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Well, its impossible for them to be in the wrong, isnt it? Maybe I'm becoming a bit spiteful by now, but I'm seriously wondering how people are living their lifes with an attitude like this - running against a wall, demanding for it to go away and when someone tells them to just use the door two steps away from them getting upset and yelling at them that the door is obviously not the way to go if you want to get to the other side of the wall.

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Sometimes it's just impossible to reason with someone because...their beliefs I suppose, there is spite but I mean it's 42 pages on a public forum so I imagine that you're feeling burnt out, hell even my last post was spiteful. I'm honestly just tired of seeing it pop up because the answers have been said multiple times by you and Hymon and the others (sorry if I can't think of names just got back tonight!) but you're all doing a great job having this debate and showing the OP and Payton why and bringing in factual evidence rather then anecdotal evidence.

But I wouldn't yell at a door because doors swing open sometimes but at least the wall is nice and safe!

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

Fists of Earth, Keen Flurry, Second Wind, Bloodbath, Foresight ar.

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Potd is the easiest content in the game it was made with dps in mind. Where are the solo Vids of dps kiling any arr primal solo outside of summoner it is impossible to do so. Yes a dps can run a wonderers Palace with no tank sure. Try doing any ex primals with an all dps team sync and see what happens. Trying even doing even a one savage no heals no take its not possible. There's tons and tons of documented footage of tank solo heal solo it's even vids of tank only parties doing A savage thanks to xenos. You will be hard pressed to find the same on dps they are great but lack sustainability

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

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And yet somehow the DF isn't Tank Tank Tank Healer :P Something wrong Payton? Can't do 2600 dps with your Pally sword? Can hardly score 1000? Come here and gimme a hug.

Also yes I'm taking the shit out of you for replying to Vidu but quoting me X3

[QUOTE=Dualgunner;4123035]And yet somehow the DF isn't Tank Tank Tank /QUOTE]
I've done over 1 damage on pali drk and warrior. The df could be tank tank heal but this is a game for everyone and people like dps I like dps I'm just aware that tanks and heals are more important to the team. You would argue that drk isn't more optimal than pali would u. Would u argue that warrior doesn't do more damage than pali would u. So if it's levels of tanking that one is better than another then why can we not compare the roles as a whole. I've out dps , dps several times on my warrior this isn't uncommon. Dps are good like I said but when it comes to importance they are last in the roles. Not tAking anything away from them but that's just keeping it real.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

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It's funny that you bring up Palace because it's dependent on your gear being 99/99, using your defensives, and manipulating your pomanders, soloing an EX primal as a summoner you can do a few fights. My friend solos Urths Fount as a Smn all the time but there's no Echo or anything that he uses, a week ago we 2 manned T13 as a War/Sch combo and lemme tell you getting through Flare Star was the hardest part as it requires a lot from the 2 players.


If the healer eats more than 3-4 they still get chunked and die at 4, the tank has to eat 5-6 and use a big tank CD Vengeance/Sentinel/Shadow Wall while the healer is soloing the other dragon, keep in mind the longer you are in this phase the more Flare Stars you get. Compare that to something like PotD that's like comparing apples to oranges same with coils and primals they're just too different in terms of difficulty and content where RNG can be at your mercy in PotD but you can skip phases in raid content if you choose to do so at max level.

And i've done Titan EX with a Drg and Ninja while I was a Pld, I've done Levi EX with a Blm and myself as a Warrior, it's not hard hell i've 2 manned Mog EX with me and my warrior friend as both of us as warriors you just need over 30k hp and you won't die since his ultimate hits you for 30k exactly. There's only a few fights you can't solo because of mechanics PotD was meant to be solo'd floors 1-100 Yoshi P and the development team even said that, raids are different because there are certain mechanics that have to be met before you can even beat the fight, look at T9 for example.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

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Originally Posted by Awful

It's funny that you bring up

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I was stating that potd one of the few things that a dps can solo. Every scenario u mention had exactly Wat I'm saying in it a tank or heals dps have to have one or the other. But it doesn't work the other way around is all I'm saying.

[QUOTE=bswpayton;4123042][QUOTE=Dualgunner;4123035]And yet somehow the DF isn't Tank Tank Tank /QUOTE]

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I've done over 1 damage on pali drk and warrior.

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WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

You've done more than 1 damage as a tank?! HOLY SHIT

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The df could be tank tank heal but this is a game for everyone and people like dps I like dps I'm just aware that tanks and heals are more important to the team.

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What do you lose if the group wipes? Time. What do you lose if the dps is low? Time. Either way, time is what is lost and thus DPS are just as important as not wiping.

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You would argue that drk isn't more optimal than pali would u. Would u argue that warrior doesn't do more damage than pali would u. So if it's levels of tanking that one is better than another then why can we not compare the roles as a whole.

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Irony is saying "You can't say tanks can't dps!" after saying "DPS can't tank!"

What is the difference between a Dragoon at Level 60 and a Warrior at 50? About 12k hp in the DRG's pool.

What is a tank but a gimped dps that can sponge a bit more damage? What is a healer but a gimped dps that can heal damage?

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I've out dps , dps several times on my warrior this isn't uncommon. Dps are good like I said but when it comes to importance they are last in the roles. Not tAking anything away from them but that's just keeping it real.

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Well, see, if you were a DPS in the party I'd agree. But you're a tank. So tanks are the least important, seeing as all they are is spongier dpses that do less dps.

-Square nerfed the content
-Square created the Echo buff
-And Then Square, in all it's glory let us go in unsync.

But it was not enough for the fool, he wanted more.

-So Square added the Khloe journal to encourage people doing old content.

Yet it was not enough.

Square then Decided to say fuck it and ho to Acapulco.

More seriously, Op sound like someone who has no friend in the mmo. When i had to stop raiding for a year because of IRL issue and asked old playmate if they could help me clear Bahamut 12-13 for the story. I made them wipe once. Then we downed them ^^

So this is still a thing, huh?