I don't want to tank dungeons anymore...

Me as Tank: *Waits for Healer who's watching the cutscene*

DPS: *Skips and runs head first into boss*

*Proceeds to get mad at me for letting him die*

Srsly tho I pull fast and if I am not pulling there is a reason for it, but I've still had a Healer go afk without saying anything and I notice it and wait.
Then the DPS runs head first all the way to the wall and pulls all of it, and then the Healer comes back and gets mad at me for telling the DPS not to pull rofl.

Some people just have this weird idea and overly-defensive mentality in their head when Tanks want to be the ones pulling it's almost like dealing with children who you tell not to do something and then they want to do it just because you told them not to.
People are so hyper critical towards Tanks and go on about '' ego problems '' etc but then are so forgiving towards DPS pulling a bunch of shit and acting like toddlers who had too much sugar and just make the run unpleasant and cause wipes because they're not paying attention at all.
99% of the time if the Tank isn't pulling there is a reason for it this includes if they're not doing wall to wall pulls, usually it's fine but when a Healer can't keep up I notice.
Am I supposed to just insist on overpulling regardless?

The same goes if the Tank isn't comfortable with it and aren't capable of it, what's even the point of trying to force them to do it and stress them out....

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Originally Posted by WaxSw

Its especially worrisome because the "tank don't need a healer" is literal, most tanks can literally solo heal the experts and Warriors can solo heal far more than that

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Yeah man, like I have my essential dignity ready and other stuff, and just literally waiting to use it, but even is expert dungeons I come across tanks that get down to 30% health and freak out, like hey man, can you allow me to do my edging thing pls? Like, I'm...okay....with it, I'm not butthurt or anything, just more shocked that tanks at level 90 still are unaware that healers have these massive kits we don't use with powerful healing spells I feel like I can't even touch. Or I DO press it...literally 2 seconds after the tank pops their own heal. I was just a smidge too late for their liking, I suppose. Happens a good handful of times.

It's pain. It hurts.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Enlighten me then.

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You seem to think of it as a bad thing, or a punishment of sorts. That's not the case. It's merely a means of reminding one to be careful or letting them learn. Defeat can very much be a great teacher, and having the YPYT method does not equate malice, condemnation, or toxicity.

If a parent tells their child that the Stove is hot, and the child touches it anyway, the child is less likely to touch the stove when it's hot. That's all it is.

Like I tell every date at The Quicksand, "Wall to wall or don't go in at all".

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

1 pack at a time means you're bad? That just told me you don't know what you're talking about.

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If you are consciously and regularly making the choice to pull one pack at a time, independent of considerations for your party dps/healing, yeah you're absolutely a bad tank. There are extreme edge-cases where you might choose to do 1 pack, but 95% of the time you should be pulling 2 packs at minimum.

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Originally Posted by Vav2021

You seem to think of it as a bad thing, or a punishment of sorts. That's not the case. It's merely a means of reminding one to be careful or letting them learn. Defeat can very much be a great teacher, and having the YPYT method does not equate malice, condemnation, or toxicity.

If a parent tells their child that the Stove is hot, and the child touches it anyway, the child is less likely to touch the stove when it's hot. That's all it is.

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If a parent intentionally allowed their child to burn themselves on the stove to 'teach them a lesson', it would be a crime and tantamount to abuse/neglect.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

If a parent intentionally allowed their child to burn themselves on the stove to 'teach them a lesson', it would be a crime and tantamount to abuse/neglect.

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Not once did I say that it was intentional. Just like not all pulls are intentional.

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Originally Posted by Vav2021

Not once did I say that it was intentional. Just like not all pulls are intentional.

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Originally Posted by Vav2021

I had a chat macro ready that said in party chat something along these lines:

I made it in such a way that at the click of a button on my action bar, I could get it across to the party members that I am in no mood of competing aggro with DPS, and I also told them that if they are the ones to pull it, I will not pick up aggro, and they're the ones to tank it.

I guess where i'm going with this is to make a macro to explain the rules, but it's extremely important that you add in "You pull it you tank it."

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Trying to lie for plausible deniability is literally pointless when you post things like this.

It's very normal for tanks to do wall to wall or to pull 2 packs of trash at least. Doing single pulls in a dungeon is honestly boring and there's no reason for single pulls with how the jobs and the dungeons are designed especially in the more recent expansions.

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If a parent intentionally allowed their child to burn themselves on the stove to 'teach them a lesson', it would be a crime and tantamount to abuse/neglect.

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Trying to lie for plausible deniability is literally pointless when you post things like this.

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I didn't lie. and I stand by what I said. Not once did I say that the parent intentionally allowed the child to get burned.

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Originally Posted by Vav2021

I didn't lie. Not once did I say that the parent intentionally allowed the child to get burned.

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When your entire stance on an issue is built on disingenuous nonsense, you're probably on the wrong side of the issue my friend.

Removing the aspect of intent from your analogy completely invalidates it, but you already know that. Intentionally griefing your party is a choice, and will never not be extremely embarassing.