SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

If you're not taking your leveling seriously enough to even use a rotation then you only set yourself up for a struggling chore at end game when organizing your bar ends up a chore.
Yet if that's the type of player you enjoy being so be it. Once rogue/ninja is release I wonder how many players are gonna struggle at level 50 trying to figure out a rotation that they could've figured out through leveling.

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I guess you skimmed over that part:

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Originally Posted by Dwill

Once the mechanics in an encounter starts, a rotation takes the garbage can and everything becomes a priority system. If you don't even know as much, your input about the uses of a parser are irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

I was part of that kind of end-game scene so jokes on you.

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Stating something does not make it true unless it's proven to be true.

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

Any DPSer in WoW going for a world first will have spent time on dummies and other encounters analysing and optimising themselves with a parser. I would mention world of raids but given your disdain for parsers, I can only tremble at your likely opinion of that would be ;)

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I never did any of that and my guild leader was really impress that even with me playing as casually as I did I ended up as the #8 UDK for one our of clears.

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

Recording and replaying footage from attempts is just a different way of achieving the same thing and frankly, the two compliment itself brilliantly.

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Not entirely since even down times are expected in fights that have a lot of mechanics where some decisions are gonna end up hurtful in the long run since they are individual judgmental calls that can end up being hurtful later on.

Yet so many players easily rage at a wipe instead of realizing those faults and that all is left is a simply trying to better execute everything as a group.

Dunno where you think I'm being hostile, I'm being honest and if that makes you feel hostility then so be it.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

Stating something does not make it true unless it's proven to be true.

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Such like all this pro parser nonsense without any proof outside of "take my word for it".

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Originally Posted by Dwill

There were multiple examples

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Everything that can be accomplished without parsing but only verified through parsing, thus QoL. You sure told me.

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

Such like all this pro parser nonsense without any proof outside of "take my word for it".

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There were multiple examples as for the uses of parsers in this very thread. If you decide to ignore them, that's your prerogative but don't come and claim people did not give valid one.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

There were multiple examples as for the uses of parsers in this very thread. If you decide to ignore them, that's your prerogative but don't come and claim people did not give valid one.

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How do any arguments about how useful they are have anything to with the fact that they are against ToS? I for one know they can be useful, I would be fine if they put one in, but as long as they are against ToS, I see no argument anyone could give that would make them ok to use in this game.

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

I never did any of that and my guild leader was really impress that even with me playing as casually as I did I ended up as the #8 UDK for one our of clears.

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Reported for parsing! ;)

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

Yet so many players easily rage at a wipe instead of realizing those faults and that all is left is a simply trying to better execute everything as a group.

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The very best hardcore players will always have that fire in their belly, it's what drives them. The difference is that the best groups will have leadership capable of keeping that fire directed on the encounter and not each other, but I'm going off topic so I'd better leave that =)

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

Dunno where you think I'm being hostile, I'm being honest and if that makes you feel hostility then so be it.

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Perhaps not to me, but certainly to some others in this thread, it's neither becoming of you nor does it help you put your point across.

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Originally Posted by Mcshiggs

How do any arguments about how useful they are have anything to with the fact that they are against ToS? I for one know they can be useful, I would be fine if they put one in, but as long as they are against ToS, I see no argument anyone could give that would make them ok to use in this game.

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You took it out of context. His argument have nothing to do with them being against the ToS or not.

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

Everything that can be accomplished without parsing but only verified through parsing, thus QoL. You sure told me.

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I'm glad you prove by your own self that you have absolutely no idea about the topic at hand and that we can just ignore your input.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

You took it out of context. His argument have nothing to do with them being against the ToS or not.

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I don't care about your arguments with Gormogon, you said there were plenty of examples of the uses of parsers in this thread, I stated that it doesn't matter how compelling the argument for the parsers are, as long as they are against ToS, there is no reason good enough to use them.

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Originally Posted by Mcshiggs

I don't care about your arguments with Gormogon, you said there were plenty of examples of the uses of parsers in this thread, I stated that it doesn't matter how compelling the argument for the parsers are, as long as they are against ToS, there is no reason good enough to use them.

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Yet if no one says anything because they are against the ToS, that ruling will never change. If people show enough interest over time, while it's not a certainty, that ruling might actually change in the future. So it's better to speak about their benefits than to just stay silent because they are against the ToS.

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Originally Posted by Parawill

If only there wasn't such a negative stigma towards those who parse. Oh well. :(

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I think it's because those that do parse don't see it as cheating and the arguments and rationalization they present that it isn't always over look the fact that it is simply cheating because it's not allowed under the current Tos.

It's interesting how people call something they don't like "cheating" on vague principle because of what an authority said, rather than observing real material effects.

Especially when we have been given multiple, multiple examples of why parsers could be disallowed by the ToS for reasons not related to them being "cheats" at all, such as binding corporate legalese or inability to guarantee the safety of players using any third-party program for any reason.