Please do not lock Jobs to the Weapon Class that unlocks them.

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Originally Posted by Sorel

*Problem with the single-weapon system*.

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This is more a problem you've created based on your assumption of how the system works, rather than a genuine issue.

The system could simply work that each class has say, 2 specialisations that are totally seperate from the rest. Marauder could specialise as Dark Knight and Warrior, for example. Thaumaturge and Conjurer could specialise into totally seperate jobs.

I dont really understand the logic behind them developing a '5 job rule' to each class, because 5 jobs per class is completely unrealistic. It would be easy enough to create two for each (A gladiator could become a Paladin or Berserker for example, dual-wielding swords).

Also, gladiator has absolutely nothing to do with thief or red mage in terms of skills. It seems you're creating a really vague and unconvincing arguement for why it wouldn't work when your approach is totally convoluted to begin with.

I think it's basically a given they're going to be linked to classes, and it's fairly easy to do so.

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Originally Posted by Sorel

Plus every time a new Job or Class is introduced by the Development Team, the whole system would have to be reworked to maintain balance. It's simply too much effort and overhead to maintain artificial weapon restrictions on Jobs, in my humble opinion.

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Sorel, Carpe and Cairdeas. Defenders of Openness and Freedom in Gameplay Choices

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

because it make no f****** sense if a white mage have a Spear they don't fight they cast Wep and a ward,staff is what cast magic. Maybe you don't understand that it look odd that all jobs can use all wep? in real life samurai don't use a dam great axe do they? no they don't it about human history mix with Final fantasy history.

stop trying to make it so we use everything i don't mind if we can use 1-3 wep for each class but using everything that make no sense is dumb and you know it. i don't even know why you still fighting over this give it up dammm

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Again. WHY does it have to be that way in a game that has nothing to do with real life history. And yes. Samurai used Axes. They had special names but they were axes.

I do not see why we have to continue to pidgeonhole players into choices when the game should be about freedom. You might not like a weapon/job combo. Thats fine don't use it. But players should have the choice.

Limiting that choice because of your preconceived notions is selfish.

Why can't a white mage wield a freaking spear?

What's stopping him. He has hands, doesn't he?

Get a grip.

Or are you a white mage and therefore can't grip things, even spears?

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

Sorel, Carpe and Cairdeas. Defenders of Openness and Freedom in Gameplay Choices

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You're such saints! Seriously though, it's just not going to play out like that. People wanted the 'old jobs' back because they want it to be FF-like, polearm-wielding white mages don't fit with that.

I don't get why people are so anti-job-matching-class? How can the properly balance white mage if it's paired up with lancer for example? They'll gain access to a full polearm skillset and then the top-tier heals too? LEt's say this is balanced with points invested in stats. You'll either end up with a white-mage-lancer who can hit well but can't heal or vice-versa. Don't you think that's needlessly convoluted? Wouldn't it be better to keep it simple (for balancing sake) and maintain the armoury system's skill crossover (with some limits imposed) for customisation?

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Originally Posted by Vesperia

Why can't a white mage wield a freaking spear?

What's stopping him. He has hands, doesn't he?

Get a grip.

Or are you a white mage and therefore can't grip things, even spears?

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It's not real. Why when I change weapon can I not use the same skills as when I was holding a staff? You need to recognise that there need to be limitations in place.

EDIT: And thinking some more, let's say your system's in place. We then get job-specific armour and what happens? Do you want them to design armour that compliments every single possible combination so that you can effectively stab things on white mage and heal too? Whilst I'd love a combat-based healing class, the self-creation method is just impractical.

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Originally Posted by Sephr

You're such saints! Seriously though, it's just not going to play out like that. People wanted the 'old jobs' back because they want it to be FF-like, polearm-wielding white mages don't fit with that.

I don't get why people are so anti-job-matching-class? How can the properly balance white mage if it's paired up with lancer for example? They'll gain access to a full polearm skillset and then the top-tier heals too? LEt's say this is balanced with points invested in stats. You'll either end up with a white-mage-lancer who can hit well but can't heal or vice-versa. Don't you think that's needlessly convoluted? Wouldn't it be better to keep it simple (for balancing sake) and maintain the armoury system's skill crossover (with some limits imposed) for customisation?

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I didn't want a job system to relive my glory days playing a noob WHM that could only do a handful of stupid things. I wanted a job system to bring substance to the armory system - to reinvigorate the roles I wanted to play within the confines of the armory system. I wanted to build my own class, and fulfill my own role.

Only a portion of players actually wanted the classic jobs to bring their FFXI nostalgia to climax.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

Again. WHY does it have to be that way in a game that has nothing to do with real life history. And yes. Samurai used Axes. They had special names but they were axes.

I do not see why we have to continue to pidgeonhole players into choices when the game should be about freedom. You might not like a weapon/job combo. Thats fine don't use it. But players should have the choice.

Limiting that choice because of your preconceived notions is selfish.

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that about it your crazy and i though you was ok dude before for 1year fighting with you but right now you are crazy they have to be dam limit in a game it's a mmo not a free to play get over yourself

you and everyone else who want this idea they most be limits in a MMO world it just make no sense that a white mage would use a Great Axe not if we talking about other type of mage from other type of mmo but we talking about FFXIV here it about FF and human history.

i had enough wait for the dam update and stop complaining i hope this thing get lock.

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Originally Posted by Sephr

You're such saints! Seriously though, it's just not going to play out like that. People wanted the 'old jobs' back because they want it to be FF-like, polearm-wielding white mages don't fit with that.

I don't get why people are so anti-job-matching-class? How can the properly balance white mage if it's paired up with lancer for example? They'll gain access to a full polearm skillset and then the top-tier heals too? LEt's say this is balanced with points invested in stats. You'll either end up with a white-mage-lancer who can hit well but can't heal or vice-versa. Don't you think that's needlessly convoluted? Wouldn't it be better to keep it simple (for balancing sake) and maintain the armoury system's skill crossover (with some limits imposed) for customisation?

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If the Jobs are just learned playeroles which is what they are suggesting then once you have it mastered following the Armoury's cross over rules you should be able to implement that playstyle onto any weapon. Some might not be the best.

A White Mage/Lancer would be someone who can can do moderate healing to one user, moderate damage dealing with a lance and act as a front line buffer with lance buff skills. The fact that Lancer wouldn't have AOE balances using White Mage as its job.

A Paladin/Lancer would be someone who can self heal, cast holy magic, and deal damage with a spear to maintain hate while keeping himself buffed with lance skills to improve his damage dealing and defense. Its balanced by not having a shield to help mitigate damage.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

that about it your crazy and i though you was ok dude before for 1year fighting with you but right now you are crazy they have to be dam limit in a game it's a mmo not a free to play get over yourself

you and everyone else who want this idea they most be limits in a MMO world it just make no sense that a white mage would use a Great Axe not if we talking about other type of mage from other type of mmo but we talking about FFXIV here it about FF and human history.

i had enough wait for the dam update and stop complaining i hope this thing get lock.

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What's the worst that can happen? It's not going to be the end of the world if people can heal while using a spear? Honestly. Run for your lives, the apocalypse is coming! That person with the spear thinks they are a white mage!!!11

The end is nigh! It rains down curses upon us all! Repent your sins now or perish.

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