Your thoughts on Astrolgian so far?

No, plenty have said they use noct. I personally use diurnal because I used to main whm so regens are my go-to. I like being able to regen a dps the took a small amount of dmg then refocus the tank. With noct most the time using aspected would go to waste, cause all they needed was a heal, not the shield. And the fact you can regen + aoe regen, synastry then increase the time by 15/seconds is really nice. Let's you focus on healing the party.

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Originally Posted by Kerrigen

- Luminiferous Aether should scale with PIE, otherwise it'll be far too weak 2 years from now when we have close to 20k MP. Both WHM and SCH have MP recovering actions that scale with PIE, AST doesn't (outside of maybe preventing decay with Ewer but then you're not buffing someone else so what's the point?).

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It does scale with PIE, it scales with the BASE PIE, the PIE that you get from leveling, not the PIE added by gear/bonus-points. It's 33% (potency 80), same as Shroud of Saints. What AST doesn't have is the equivalent of Energy Drain/Assize.

So after playing nocturnal Astrologian for a bit there are a few things which need to be tweaked there, most importantly - the potency of the shields is like a piece of paper compared to Scholars shield and I don't want it to be at the same level as Scholar I just want to be viable for when there isn't a scholar in group I mean even having the potency the same as scholars adlo but without the crit double shield and instant cast will still leave scholars as king of mitigation though I believe the best balance would be at somewhere about 250-300 potency most probably 250 because instant cast you know?

Now what I don't get is collective unconsciousness being weaker than sacred soil, I would expect with all its downsides it should be a better sacred soil to make people be able to weigh it next to a scholar "Would I like my Healer to still be able to heal during the massive damage in a phase change or would I like to do a bit more mitigation?"

Disable is perfectly fine, bring a SMN with you, best friends forever.

The main issue I am having though is Diurnal for Astro's is way better than Nocturnal and as I am going to be Nocturnal in raid content with my group as I am the old scholar who is switching to the more support class because that is what I love is that I can't have those brilliant damage mitigation moments and I fear the amount of damage which alexander is going to bring with him.

In short for a group with a white mage - Scholar is currently the best match up by a looooooooong shot, paper mitigation from Astro is just not good enough.

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Originally Posted by AsteriaStarfall

1. It will affect the enemy's current cast if you catch it early enough before the orange disappears from the ground. I have it work perfectly on boss abilities. Know the fight, and know when to be ready
2. Mouse over healing fixes this. Sorry console players
3. Correct

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sorry console players? we can mouse over heal

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Originally Posted by Lycinder

So after playing nocturnal Astrologian for a bit there are a few things which need to be tweaked there, most importantly - the potency of the shields is like a piece of paper compared to Scholars shield and I don't want it to be at the same level as Scholar I just want to be viable for when there isn't a scholar in group I mean even having the potency the same as scholars adlo but without the crit double shield and instant cast will still leave scholars as king of mitigation though I believe the best balance would be at somewhere about 250-300 potency most probably 250 because instant cast you know?

Now what I don't get is collective unconsciousness being weaker than sacred soil, I would expect with all its downsides it should be a better sacred soil to make people be able to weigh it next to a scholar "Would I like my Healer to still be able to heal during the massive damage in a phase change or would I like to do a bit more mitigation?"

Disable is perfectly fine, bring a SMN with you, best friends forever.

The main issue I am having though is Diurnal for Astro's is way better than Nocturnal and as I am going to be Nocturnal in raid content with my group as I am the old scholar who is switching to the more support class because that is what I love is that I can't have those brilliant damage mitigation moments and I fear the amount of damage which alexander is going to bring with him.

In short for a group with a white mage - Scholar is currently the best match up by a looooooooong shot, paper mitigation from Astro is just not good enough.

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...Noctural Aspected Benefic IS 250 base potency, though. (It's actually 262.5 potency under Nocturnal Sect's inherent 5% healing increase effect, but semantics.) I really don't understand people who are claiming these things without reading tooltips. Could it be buffed to be the same 300 potency as Adlo, but without the crit shield modifier? Possibly. I think a potency of around 280 after Nocturnal's passive effect is applied is pretty fair, though. It's instant cast, unlike Adloquium, and costs less MP (though MP costs on SCH are a bit moot in general, because lolAetherflow).

Nocturnal Collective Unconscious is terrible, though, I'll grant you that. It's situational, but pretty powerful under Diurnal... I'd like to see some kind of similar utility added to it under Nocturnal. If not a flat %-reduction based increase (say, from 10% to 20%), then a nifty utility like a chance to refresh your MP or something.

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Originally Posted by Zeikial

sorry console players? we can mouse over heal

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What do you mean? We can macro disable to our focus target for an immediate debuff, how does that make using a mouse better? Unless I am missing something.

Edit - meant to quote the guy in your quote.

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

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Hmm really? I guess I didn't notice the nocturnal healing potency on the tooltip I generally just quick read to get the jist and learn from doing, I have been feeling its like paper but I guess its because of mobs hitting harder then, I will need to level my scholar and compare I guess.
Being able to faceroll mechanics like T10 prey is still something I love from Astro and I hope Alex brings in his own mechanics where that can be cool.

Actually a mana regen added to Collective unconsciousness could be a really good idea, kind of reminds me of some channeling mana skills from other games where you have to be still for a set time to regain mana it will also make using the entire Collective cast time worth it, I mean you could add more to the support table for Astro as well by making it a mana regen for everyone standing in it, that could change up a few things and once again its balanced against Bard and Machinist by the fact they can still effectively do things while they use their mana regens and they can use it longer than collective stays up.

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Originally Posted by Lycinder

Hmm really? I guess I didn't notice the nocturnal healing potency on the tooltip I generally just quick read to get the jist and learn from doing, I have been feeling its like paper but I guess its because of mobs hitting harder then, I will need to level my scholar and compare I guess.
Being able to faceroll mechanics like T10 prey is still something I love from Astro and I hope Alex brings in his own mechanics where that can be cool.

Actually a mana regen added to Collective unconsciousness could be a really good idea, kind of reminds me of some channeling mana skills from other games where you have to be still for a set time to regain mana it will also make using the entire Collective cast time worth it, I mean you could add more to the support table for Astro as well by making it a mana regen for everyone standing in it, that could change up a few things and once again its balanced against Bard and Machinist by the fact they can still effectively do things while they use their mana regens and they can use it longer that collective stays up.

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Part of the reason Nocturnal Aspected Benefic seems like poop is because yes, mobs are hitting harder, tanks are relatively undergeared and ASTs are relatively undergeared. At 50, in full i130, my Nocturnal Aspected Benefic was hitting for about 1100 HP, and my Adloquium was hitting for like 1300-1350. Assuming they scale equally, it won't make for a HUGE difference at higher ilevel, the more noticeable issue is that Nocturnal Astrologians don't get a double shield from their crit Aspected Benefics like SCHs do for Adlo. I'm honestly not sure how to adjust them so that their mitigation is somewhat on par, which is why I suggested a BITTY increase to their Aspected Benefic potency under Nocturnal Sect. I don't want them to be SCH Lite, but if the core focus is their shields then they at least need to be SUFFICIENT when compared to a SCH (remember, ASTs in Nocturnal are basically SCHs with access to Cure II and Medica, which can give them an edge).

i think people have forgotten the reason for both stances.

There are times shields are needed or at least very handy hence use nocturnal

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

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Hmm maybe add in a buff of some sort for the person under the effect of the shield until the shield is broken? like maybe damage mitigation by a small percent which will still be noticeable but not trump scholars maybe even make it a crit only thing like double shield...It seems like something which would fit astrologian.

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

(remember, ASTs in Nocturnal are basically SCHs with access to Cure II and Medica, which can give them an edge).

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Kind of how I replied to my Static tank when he asked "So how is Astrologian for you?" being able to benefic and combo with aspected seems to be the way to go (and reminds me of the time when people thought making a fairy heal with adlo was a good idea so I am waiting on people to tell me its wrong and I am a horrible person.)