The Ninja Superthread

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/PPRG Here's the BiS set I'm more inclined to use, Just worked it out tonight with one of the big theorcrafters in my FC. If this is the true biS then I'm 1 drop away.

Just remember Det isnt the most important stat, but yes - I think this set is a very good balance of stats.

Idc if you go for my build or not, I'm 1 drop away from it however. Just need Tomes now >.>

Earrings, and Almost 1k Tomes.

Crit stacking is more effective for the most part, since det has a relative weight of 60% of the other stats, for example. So a "mid range det" value might have a lot of crit and ss, for example, and still be better than a "high det" set.

The name wasn't dropped in the post, anyways, its

Huton > (wait 15) Spinning Edge > IR + B4B > Gust Slash > Potion > Dancing Edge > Suiton > Spinning Edge > Trick Attack + Kassatsu > Shadow Fang > Raiton > Mutilate > Mug + Jugulate > Spinning Edge > Gust Slash > Aoelian Edge

You do them both in between GCD's.

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Originally Posted by Tetsuya

Alright, will try it out later when I get the chance, thanks.

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I would recommend against this unless you have smooth latency.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

Couple questions.

- is it worth getting 491 Skill Speed for the 2s GCD. (Say at the cost of some crit)

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I believe it's 476 Skill Speed for a 2.0 GCD. I tried it for a while in NIN's early days and, while the flow felt really nice, my TP suffered immensely.

Now that I'm in FCoB, just thinking of anything over 425 is painful. Granted, we're still progressing through T11, so if our BRD is playing anything, it's Ballad, but there's far too much up-time in T10 for that kind of speed.

I'm now giving my NIN the MNK treatment; less is more.

Edit: Though now I'm curious what a 2x NIN setup could do (Goading each other), both with 2.0 GCDs.

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Originally Posted by treuhavik

I believe it's 476 Skill Speed for a 2.0 GCD. I tried it for a while in NIN's early days and, while the flow felt really nice, my TP suffered immensely.

Now that I'm in FCoB, just thinking of anything over 425 is painful. Granted, we're still progressing through T11, so if our BRD is playing anything, it's Ballad, but there's far too much up-time in T10 for that kind of speed.

I'm now giving my NIN the MNK treatment; less is more.

Edit: Though now I'm curious what a 2x NIN setup could do (Goading each other), both with 2.0 GCDs.

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Yeah this is the set I was looking at. Stat weights it is lower, but that's why I was curious about the practical use of getting more attacks within your buffs. (Fitting in 2 x Shadow Fang for every B4B etc)

I could definitely see TP being an issue then without Paeon as I believe that puts you at 1.9975 GCD with Huton. (2.35 GCD without)

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

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><; I think my heart stopped when I saw the Skill Speed, ...and then I saw the Determination and it nearly attacked me. lol

Maybe it's just me, but I would nevereverever take that Det to a raid.

Super-high Skill Speed builds can be fun to play with, and if you're running dungeons or farming Garuda, it could even be the best way to go, but that's as far it'll get. You'll benefit so much more trying to strike a balance between Crit and Det on anything that takes longer than 4 minutes to kill. My aim is always: current Acc cap > 350+ Det > 500+ Crit > 400~ SkSp,

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Originally Posted by treuhavik

><; I think my heart stopped when I saw the Skill Speed, ...and then I saw the Determination and it nearly attacked me. lol

Maybe it's just me, but I would nevereverever take that Det to a raid.

Super-high Skill Speed builds can be fun to play with, and if you're running dungeons or farming Garuda, it could even be the best way to go, but that's as far it'll get. You'll benefit so much more trying to strike a balance between Crit and Det on anything that takes longer than 4 minutes to kill. My aim is always: current Acc cap > 350+ Det > 500+ Crit > 400~ SkSp,

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Thanks for your answer. I always go for Crit/Det where I can since AA isn't effected by Skill Speed. I was just curious is all, since War uses a bit of Skill Speed to fit more skills in on their Berserk with good results.