SP nerfed. We were lied to.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

My point is that sp/hour gains are lower than pre-patch now. Since it is slower to rank up it means ranking up was in fact affected which Yoshi said it wouldn't.

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I don't know about YOUR experience with the game, but PRE PRE PRE patch, getting 10-15k SP an hour on grinding mobs was the BEST you can get.

They had a decent SP gain with the first SP patch(200-300SP per mob on a leve with aspect), completely exaggerated it with the second SP patch(400-1000SP per mob with aspect)and now reduced it again, which was a neccesarry. People experienced far worse SP gains than what you claim to experience, so don't act as if you know your stuff that well. It has been worse than this and it was better than this, you only experienced the better, so be happy you didn't experience the worse.

SP atm is fine. It might need minor adjustments, but it's not broken or anything.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

It really is sad to see some of you defending this game.. presumably because the only thing you have to gain from it is a good game image to shop around to your friends or others.

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"bwaaaaah they are disagreeing with me! I'm sad! I'm going to cry to mommy!"

Here's a direct translation of your post in picture form:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.co...9493659604.jpg

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Originally Posted by Starlord

I know Kensei, but im getting annoyed of the fact that you said he "lied" to us when clearly he died, Ranking up to 50 in 1-2 weeks isnt an MMO, he even did say he wanted to make the game feel like a MMO not a single player game He may not have said it in that latest letter but he said it meaning "expect balancing" in certain areas Grind parties were not affected, You should try it at least no one has tried it anyhow expect for a me and another LS I know but even that its on a rareity scale.

I dont like argueing, but I also dont like when people tell someone there lying when they are not, and they are going to continue balancing till its completely balanced.. Heck they may keep the same sp rates and just lower the exp needed to get a rank..

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You say grind wasn't affected but that is not the point. Grind now doesn't give the same sp/hour that behest did. The only way he wouldn't have lied was if grinding or the other ways to get SP gave us the same sp/hour that behest did.

Affecting something can be in both a positive way, a negative way or not affecting it at all. He said it wouldn't be affected at all. Now if something is less than it was before, in this case SP gains, then it was affected. If he said it wouldn't be affected and it was, then what does that mean? What he said wouldn't happen, happened. If you say tell someone you won't do something and then go and do it, you lied.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

You say grind wasn't affected but that is not the point. Grind now doesn't give the same sp/hour that behest did. The only way he wouldn't have lied was if grinding or the other ways to get SP gave us the same sp/hour that behest did.

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You're right. It didn't give the same sp/hour behest did. It gave more. Way more.

Again, you're not even halfway through the leveling curve, you completely lack the tools to judge.

Repeating like a mantra that behest were the best way to level doesn't make it true.

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You say grind wasn't affected but that is not the point. Grind now doesn't give the same sp/hour that behest did. The only way he wouldn't have lied was if grinding or the other ways to get SP gave us the same sp/hour that behest did.

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Behest neither is, nor ever was the best SP/hour. Just: Never.
Even normal, simple raptor-grinding is better SP/hour than Behest?

And against leve-linking Behest failed by a factor of... around 4?

Dammit, are you deaf?

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Originally Posted by Abriael

You're right. It didn't give the same sp/hour behest did. It gave more. Way more.

Again, you're not even halfway through the leveling curve, you completely lack the tools to judge.

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lol, so wait, is he saying he wants less sp per hour?

cuz yeah, grinding gave a ton more sp per hour then behest did

10k per hour on behest.....
30k per hour in a grind.....

let me think, hmm....which do i want

oh i know, i want 10k per hour!

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Originally Posted by Kensei

He didn't say in the letter he was balancing it, he said it wouldn't be affected at all and since nothing after the patch provides as much SP as behest before the patch ranking up is now slower, which means it was affected. So he lied. .

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Actually this is not 100% true, if you look here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...827-06-2011%29

The whole letter is called:: FINAL FANTASY XIV Balance Reforms

Some of the areas of the letter, as he talks about what he is doing are called::

Skill Points: Introduction and Balancing
Regional Levequest Battle Rebalancing

And here::

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...807-20-2011%29

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All of this means big changes to the game’s balance, aimed at giving players the freedom to play however they like.

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Sometimes a balance can look like a nerf, and considering that we only have half of a completed project (since he said it would take 1.18 and 1.19 to implement everything) I am sure there are still some issues that need to be completed.

Seeing that the patch has only been out for 2 days I think it's a bit early to be pointing fingers and calling SE a liar. I can not say I am 100% pleased with everything SE has done either, but I am willing to wait and let them complete the last few patches, while pointing out bugs and issues, without claiming that they have lied or deceived us in any way.

Wow. This thread's pretty hostile.

I've got to say, though, I do agree that ranking up has been pretty severely nerfed, at least to an extent (though I wouldn't go so far as to call Yoshi-P a liar). I've been trying all the methods I can think of to gain SP.

Leves don't even come close to cutting it any more, of course. I haven't done a post-patch Behest yet, but I hear its rewards have been reduced.

Solo grinding's out, as I'm typically getting less than 100 SP on higher level mobs. I haven't gotten to try party grinding, but supposedly the upcoming enemy redistribution is going to make that viable. Not to mention, the seek invite function is still pretty goofy and has been going unused, at least on my server.

I'm wondering if I'm not seeing any group play due to the fact that my server has a low population, but who knows. And, given, this is all from my perspective on my rank 18 Lancer, but I have yet to find any form of SP gain that doesn't inch along with minimal progress.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

you realize you just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread right?

we are giving people the solutions, they just dont want to listen to them

we arent bashing the people who are upset, we are on this 1 closed minded fool who just doesnt want to listen

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What solution are you giving me that makes behest now give as much sp/hour as it did before the patch? That's the point. The reason I use behest as the one point is because it was the best sp/hour before the patch and nothing right now gives comparable gains. If you think I'm close minded then why are you wasting your time in my thread?

Those who are going through the same know exactly what I mean. Those of you liking the changes go enjoy it. I hope you have lots of fun!

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Originally Posted by Kensei

You say grind wasn't affected but that is not the point. Grind now doesn't give the same sp/hour that behest did. The only way he wouldn't have lied was if grinding or the other ways to get SP gave us the same sp/hour that behest did.

Affecting something can be in both a positive way, a negative way or not affecting it at all. He said it wouldn't be affected at all. Now if something is less than it was before, in this case SP gains, then it was affected. If he said it wouldn't be affected and it was, then what does that mean? What he said wouldn't happen, happened. If you say tell someone you won't do something and then go and do it, you lied.

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Your still on the behest thing? try other things experience is key doing one thing wont get you anywhere.. I'm sorryt but I agree with everyone here Behest wasnt the best sp its leves I got nearly a rank or more in 1 leve run being 46-47 and got 120k sp in a.2hrs.. thats over kill sp and its def not needed in the game..

Behest it goes like this:

*Faster you complete behest the more sp you get when you complete it

and I do behests if Im in the middle of doing something but if im fully involved with the game I do other things to get sp, I don't just go for the "best" sp I find new ways to obtain it