Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

Yep, tested this out myself. Definitely a tool tip error.

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Originally Posted by HeavenlyArmed

Yeah, i116 testing showed about a 120 damage difference, with rear clearly being the correct position to use Chaos Thrust from.

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120 damage per 30 second, so 4 dps diffference, right ? So staying on flank 100% of the time makes you do 496 dps instead of 500 ?

Yup! At i135, it'll be around 8 DPS loss unbuffed. Essentially, there's a very small gap now between good and lazy players.

Also, I'm considering just saving Life Surge for BFB. Yeah sure, it's a DPS increase to just use it off the bat now at every Full Thrust, but nothing lines up. It doesn't even line-up with Full Thrust correctly either.

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Originally Posted by Pluvia

The real question here is when are they going to nerf their physical defense down to the other melees defense lol

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That wouldn't make any sense lol. You have armour that looks similar to heavy armour, yet it's about as durable as cloth? Yeahhh not going to happen lol. Don't like that drg's have better defenses? Play dragoon.

Quick question: how much extra dps over the long run would heavy thrust at flank be, compared to staying at rear with it?

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Originally Posted by FyrmurlFloerasksyn

That wouldn't make any sense lol. You have armour that looks similar to heavy armour, yet it's about as durable as cloth? Yeahhh not going to happen lol. Don't like that drg's have better defenses? Play dragoon.

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Dragoons have a magic defense boost so why should dragoon have higher defenses then the other melee AND take less damage when using BfB i wasn't being serious but when you answer like that. Explain to me why dragoon should have higher physical defense and the same magic defense as the other melee i could understand if their magic defense was lower by like 10 or so

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Originally Posted by FyrmurlFloerasksyn

Quick question: how much extra dps over the long run would heavy thrust at flank be, compared to staying at rear with it?

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I'm not sure what you mean, the positional requirement for Heavy Thrust has been removed now so it would do the same damage from the rear and the side as well as applying the potency buff. Did you mean Chaos Thrust?

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Originally Posted by FyrmurlFloerasksyn

Quick question: how much extra dps over the long run would heavy thrust at flank be, compared to staying at rear with it?

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That hurts more than staying flank full time, as you will lose about 210-230 potency per minute instead of 100. So, about 10 dps change at i110, 15 at i130, give or take.

Also means you can just hit from wherever you want, screw all that positionning crap, sometimes they will be on the good part, sometimes not, assuming you have a 50% chance of getting it good or not (fully random), you will lose 7.5 dps or so at i110 ?

So ignoring completely positionnals is about a 1.5% dps loss -- barely noticeable.

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Originally Posted by Iselore

I'm not sure what you mean, the positional requirement for Heavy Thrust has been removed now so it would do the same damage from the rear and the side as well as applying the potency buff. Did you mean Chaos Thrust?

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No i mean heavy thrust. I tested it and If you are at the flank and use heavy thrust, it does more damage. Use it at the rear, does less damage.

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Originally Posted by Casper

That hurts more than staying flank full time, as you will lose about 210-230 potency per minute instead of 100. So, about 10 dps change at i110, 15 at i130, give or take.

Also means you can just hit from wherever you want, screw all that positionning crap, sometimes they will be on the good part, sometimes not, assuming you have a 50% chance of getting it good or not (fully random), you will lose 7.5 dps or so at i110 ?

So ignoring completely positionnals is about a 1.5% dps loss -- barely noticeable.

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I see. Thank you for the help, much appreciated.