Final Fantasy XIV Hot Takes

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

What if, and hear me out, the entire world would be fedora wearers?

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In the face of the endless chorus of m'lady echoing from the farthest stars, I would welcome the silence of the Final Days with open arms.

A fedora wearing husky neckbeard is going to rise from the depths like Cthulu to an endless choirs of m'ladys echoing in your head like Baal in the Diablo 2 intro cinematic. As we all fail our sanity checks.

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

What if, and hear me out, the entire world would be fedora wearers?

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You still shouldn't kill people but you had to make it hard to say that! >:(

Hot Takes... Yugiri is more " Waifuh " material then Y'shtola is " Mommy " material. ( /slap Y'shtola ) in-fact? Y'shlata is like the Scion with the worst personality out of all the Scions. In-fact? Imma go as far as to say that a mage of Y'shlula's caliber somehow embodies being useless more in Endwalker then Tataru embodying being as useful as she could be.

Yes I said it...
PS: I am just wanting a certain someone from Discord to read this and flip out on VC ;)

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Originally Posted by CelestiCer

Hot Takes... Yugiri is more " Waifuh " material then Y'shtola is " Mommy " material. ( /slap Y'shtola ) in-fact? Y'shlata is like the Scion with the worst personality out of all the Scions. In-fact? Imma go as far as to say that a mage of Y'shlula's caliber somehow embodies being useless more in Endwalker then Tataru embodying being as useful as she could be.

Yes I said it...
PS: I am just wanting a certain someone from Discord to read this and flip out on VC ;)

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Y'shtola is basically the resident Ice Queen everybody is obsessed with for some reason despite her only personality being "cold and distant." She has basically been the one Scion I feel like my WoL would constantly argue with, and the only times I have felt like I've seen personality from her are when she's with Runar, and the goofiness in 6.1. Like seriously, it's sad that those have been the ONLY times I've seen actual personality from her.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Omnicide is objectively bad regardless of the reasoning you apply to it. There is no adequate justification.

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I'm not sure what this is a reply to, but I feel like Mass Effect applied it pretty well.

Mid'shtola lmao.

I believe in Y'mhitra superiority.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Y'shtola is basically the resident Ice Queen everybody is obsessed with for some reason despite her only personality being "cold and distant." She has basically been the one Scion I feel like my WoL would constantly argue with, and the only times I have felt like I've seen personality from her are when she's with Runar, and the goofiness in 6.1. Like seriously, it's sad that those have been the ONLY times I've seen actual personality from her.

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Y'shtola annoyed me from the beginning with her arguing with the Admiral about how Limsa started the aggression against the beast tribes. Okay, they did. And what exactly? What do you want them to do now? Just give up and let the primals kill everything? And she made a point to call her out on it a number of times when we're sitting there trying to plan something. I get why they did it, but it fell flat for me.

I don't mind her as much anymore, they seem to be trying to make her not just the cold, distant, genius anymore, well, at least a little bit less so.

I love how dry she is, personally, but I understand why she's divisive on the other hand, if you don't connect with that. Having played ARR again recently, she had a little fire and an almost aggressive impatience for what she considered nonsense back then (remember when she snapped at Wheiskaet during the Company of Heroes quests -- saying what we were all feeling lol), something she hasn't really hung onto in subsequent expansions. But it doesn't help that her current English v/a often gives kind of a wooden performance (no shade to her; I've heard her give great performances in other games and even in this one, as other NPC's and bosses like Titania, so I assume she's making a choice for Shtola that just doesn't always work for me).

That said, I agree that she gets boring when the writers treat her as nothing more than an avatar of exposition, which is more often than not the case. But I'm glad she's been given a little more levity recently.

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

What if, and hear me out, the entire world would be fedora wearers?

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...Aight, you've got me on that one. An entire world of hat-tipping, fedora-wearing m'lady types is certainly an exception. Those must not be suffered to exist, even if the rest of the universe has to die with them.

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

What if, and hear me out, the entire world would be fedora wearers?

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If those fedora wearers are as hot as Zero, I am willing to look past the issue.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

my hot take for the day is:

I mostly dislike sympathetic villains like Yotsuyu and Fordola. Not every villain needs to have a tragic backstory that explains why they are the way they are. Oddly enough though, I love Emet-Selch. Probably my favorite FF villain. Not sure what the difference is for me.

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I actually like Zenos for that exact reason, he's not complicated, he just wants to have a good fight with someone that can actually beat him.


...that might as well be a hot take.

FFXIV villain department was always weak. Zenos needed EW to realize he actually wants the same thing he always wanted? A tough fight... just like in SB.

Even there he was badly used. We loose twice against him and not even once is even the thought about a strategy to counter him or his powers laid out. No, we just have to level up & get better gear! Really weak.

All other villains are all "redeemed". You killed half the universe? It's ok. Have a cookie.


The worst moment of MSQ was that fanfic.org-original-character moment when Sahi & Amon have a talk. Inside another realm of existence basically, they also had the same Ascian inside them and... blah blah blah #iam14andthisisdeep

The twin's dad bumping his fist on the table was pretty high up too. That whole conflict was so forced.

That a majority of criticism of shadowbringers and endwalker story here on the forums, is people being upset their edgy fanfiction didn't come true.

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Originally Posted by Gralna

That a majority of criticism of shadowbringers and endwalker story here on the forums, is people being upset their edgy fanfiction didn't come true.

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Does something being a hot take preclude it being correct?

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Originally Posted by Gralna

That a majority of criticism of shadowbringers and endwalker story here on the forums, is people being upset their edgy fanfiction didn't come true.

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It's funny when you realize the EW defenders are the edgy teen #itsActuallyDeep croud. "You see Emmet-Selchie boy actually had the sadness of all of existence inside him!" or some nonsense

Added: Oh yeah i already had #im14AndThisIsDeep in my initial post. So you just mirrored me. How creative. Can't come up with an argument against my hot take or how i'm wrong. Guess it's not to be expected from "EW-was-great"-bots

There's nothing 'edgy' about expecting Venat to be held accountable for acts of deliberate genocide instead of having it be praised as a 'grim necessity' despite it turning out that the Sundered only exist precisely because the Ancients were unceremoniously subject to genocide and racial replacement in what has to be one of the most convoluted threads of reasoning in a story to date.

The protagonists of the game would never accept Venat's logic being applied to their loved ones, thus there's no reason for anybody else to do so either.

Most of the complaint's regarding Endwalker's story are deceptively framed as something completely different to what is actually being stated.

It's particularly unfortunate because it's very easy to go back through the years and see that quite a lot of the more vocal complaints about Endwalker's narrative and lack of consistency comes from people who not only cared deeply about the story and characters but repeatedly provided sources for what they were discussing and often pointing out how often the game stated one thing in a particular quest only to throw it aside elsewhere the moment that it became inconvenient to hold the protagonists to the same standards as the opposition.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

There's nothing 'edgy' about expecting Venat to be held accountable for acts of deliberate genocide instead of having it be praised as a 'grim necessity' *snip*

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Yeah... i mean the way the went WAS the edgy route.

I just hope 7.0 has a good story. Less anime tropes (power of friendship and the like), no more fake deaths (if you dont kill anyone off just dont fake it), characters with depth (maybe even people that aren't heroes for the sake of being heroes! But then again people seem to hate those characters sadly) and better writing. The last one might need a miracle since most quests (since ARR at least) are horribly written.

Hot take: The entire argument about Endwalker has gotten boring. Both sides ever more rapidly jumping to personal insults just makes it even duller.

I hope we get a 7.0 trailer soon. Even if it's just a teaser. That won't happen tough, would it? I mean it's still a while until 7.0.

The power of friendship is an incredibly stupid trope, and it needs to die.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

The power of friendship is an incredibly stupid trope, and it needs to die.

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It's a major trope due to actual real life things. You're a general, and your army is about to be routed...but then those allies you made the kingdom over have marched to aid you, and you win the day. The Power of Friendship has conquered. Basically any moment an ally comes to save you can be considered The Power of Friendship, since they came to help BECAUSE you're allies.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

It's a major trope due to actual real life things

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Please don't take drugs. You can't be serious

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Originally Posted by BRVV

Please don't take drugs. You can't be serious

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Read the Trope Page for it, especially the Real Life examples.

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Originally Posted by BRVV

Please don't take drugs. You can't be serious

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People banding together and overcoming trials and tribulations through sheer force of will land their faith in their cause and each other has been a thing throughout history and fiction. Even grittier works like Fate/Zero immortalize the power of friendship with stuff like Ionoi Hetaroi, where Alexander the Great recreates the field of his greatest victories so he and his army can lay waste their foes with their superior numbers. And it's explicitly stated that this superpower is possible due to their bonds of friendship and dreams of conquest surpassing space and time. It's it cliche? Sure. Is it effective? If it weren't it wouldn't continue to be used to this day. You're just being cynical.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Hot take: The entire argument about Endwalker has gotten boring. Both sides ever more rapidly jumping to personal insults just makes it even duller.

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This video is the forums literally every single day.

Oh you two talk about the general group effect... yeah i was more talking about that anime take on it. You know how FFXIV, P5 and the like put it. Where you gain a strange superpower upon realizing you are friends suddenly in front of the final boss. That thing.

Edit: that makes it Narm for me in those cases.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Read the Trope Page for it, especially the Real Life examples.

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It doesn't give you superpowers or let you come back from mortal wounds in real life, though. Doesn't give you plot armor, either.

What I speak of is the most common variant of the trope in modern media, wherein the hero either finds new strength, gets a second wind, or just flat out comes back from the brink of death as a direct result of being encouraged by their friends -- or, as is often the case, because said friends are relying on them. It's become even more pervasive than the previously far more commonly used "heroic will" trope that often accomplishes the same thing.

You know, Fairy Tail-like business. Protagonist gets demolished by the enemy of the arc only to turn right around and turn everything within a five mile radius into a smoldering inferno because their friend got hurt, for example.

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Originally Posted by BRVV

Oh you two talk about the general group effect... yeah i was more talking about that anime take on it. You know how FFXIV, P5 and the like put it. Where you gain a strange superpower upon realizing you are friends suddenly in front of the final boss. That thing.

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Eh? Haven't you ever worked on a group project where you're running right up against the deadline but somehow manage to work together and get it in on time despite having every expectation that you'll fail?

As a trope, the power of friendship itself is not bad. Personally, one of my favorite new manga is about a Power Rangers-expy who gets sent to a fantasy world with powers that literally run on the Power of Friendship, to the point that he runs out of juice when the people he's fighting with are too busy arguing to work together. Is silly and stupid and the series acknowledges the seemingly illogical nature of it, but it works because the author writes it with gusto and aplomb instead of embarrassment.

Are there times where it's used poorly? Sure. But I can't really fault the trope itself versus writers just using it poorly.

Honestly the Ultima Thule bit is hardly the worst use of it and I was honestly pretty hyped by the end of the Endsinger fight. WoL derives joy and a reason for living from the people, places, and things they've grown to love and cherish. That is an answer to Meteion's question. Not the only answer, but an answer. It also gives WoL the willpower to live on when Zenos gives up the ghost from having a life devoid of any kind of personal connection to make it worth living.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

It doesn't give you superpowers or let you come back from mortal wounds in real life, though. Doesn't give you plot armor, either.

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In real life I can't throw fireballs or summon primals, either.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

In real life I can't throw fireballs or summon primals, either.

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The poster I replied to specifically cited real world examples. Hence why it was mentioned. You could clearly see this in the post already.

In any case, my point is this: it's overdone. The power of friendship is in all manner of anime, it has found its way into western media with increasing frequency, and it's all over many video games too. There are other tropes out there they could be putting to use.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

The poster I replied to specifically cited real world examples. Hence why it was mentioned. You could clearly see this in the post already.

In any case, my point is this: it's overdone. The power of friendship is in all manner of anime, it has found its way into western media with increasing frequency, and it's all over many video games too. There are other tropes out there they could be putting to use.

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With increasing frequency? My man, have you ever READ comic books? Even the original comics had it in spades.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

With increasing frequency? My man, have you ever READ comic books? Even the original comics had it in spades.

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I have. Got quite a collection, if I do say so myself. I didn't used to mind the trope, although I found some instances of it to be incredibly dumb. Comics made frequent use of it, but it was largely (but not completely) absent from much other western media until comparatively recently. My main gripe is simply that it's bloody everywhere now, including in FFXIV.

Using it once in a while is fine, but damned if this game doesn't practically run on it.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

It's a major trope due to actual real life things. You're a general, and your army is about to be routed...but then those allies you made the kingdom over have marched to aid you, and you win the day.

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Or, as slightly more often featured historically, when your allies are faced with poor odds at any particularly critical juncture for you, they abandon or even betray you unless you've sufficiently made their future success dependent upon you, which tends far more towards political maneuvering and manipulation, or exploitation of a resource that'd otherwise lack power in itself, than "the power of friendship".

Moreover, one of the main issues is in where and when that trope plays out: mid-battle for instance, is rarely a time in which there's time and/or value in reaffirming that y'all are friends. That shit comes before, and usually by different terms and per a fairly different slate.

To be clear, I don't have anything against tropes that acquiring more allies / popular support, and to a point putting one's own identity, values, interests, or safety on the line in order to order to achieve that popular support and a broader good... when it isn't so overused as to muddle or bury other, more nuanced ones. When those tropes narrow down to your iconic "Power of friEndsHip!" though, that's all too often the cost.

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Originally Posted by Dikatis

Are there times where it's used poorly? Sure. But I can't really fault the trope itself versus writers just using it poorly.

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I think it was poorly used. You may disagree. Do they ever need this power somewhere else? No. It's the "beat-the-final-boss-with-friendship" thing. I hate this. It's so lame

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

I have. Got quite a collection, if I do say so myself. I didn't used to mind the trope, although I found some instances of it to be incredibly dumb. Comics made frequent use of it, but it was largely (but not completely) absent from much other western media until comparatively recently. My main gripe is simply that it's bloody everywhere now, including in FFXIV.

Using it once in a while is fine, but damned if this game doesn't practically run on it.

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Guess I watch much different anime then, most of the ones I watch, have message that you need to learn to fight for yourself, because fighting for your friends can be used against you or that your friends ultimately can't be there for you all the time.

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ff16 look like DmC with it's Hack and Slash

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Originally Posted by Jkap_Goat

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ff16 look like DmC with it's Hack and Slash

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I haven't seen too much of it, but if it's like Stranger of Paradise at all, I'll be fine. DMC is a bit too fast for me I think.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

I haven't seen too much of it, but if it's like Stranger of Paradise at all, I'll be fine. DMC is a bit too fast for me I think.

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They have game options to make it more accessible, including time slow for dodges. Not saying everyone has to like action combat but it's accessible enough that anyone could pick options to play it. At one point Yoshida turned on all the options and played the fight with one button.

I have one, actually: Footsteps in the Snow is better than Oblivion, and it's the best Shiva theme in this game.

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

I have one, actually: Footsteps in the Snow is better than Oblivion, and it's the best Shiva theme in this game.

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For me:
Return to Oblivion > Oblivion (Orchestral Version) > Footsteps in the Snow > Oblivion >/= Oblivion (Pulse Remix)
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