I hate to burst some bubbles, but RMT'ers arent flooding the market. What you're witnessing, is an over saturation of supply from normal players, who just want their items to sell as quickly as possible.
While a good idea, I dont think it would be easy for them to implement a limit of a single stack of any given item. We're going to have to get much more creative to have any changes made.
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09-26-2013, 08:55 PMBizzybeast
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09-27-2013, 12:55 AMWulfies
Bizzy - sorry I entered in an "L" into your name (was staring at the computer screen for far to long) Ok, we will keep the TP outta here, I don't want any bad puns. :)
I am advocating that people have the OPTION to sell as stack OR individually.
Bizzy is right in the fact that it isnt RMTs that are saturating the economy, those RMTs would rather they just sell to the NPC because its simpler and quicker and since they are selling just to convert the gil to $$$.
Bizzy - My point 2, in post #395, you pretty much answered with your post #401. Market saturation drives prices down.
Are you saying that my option is a bad idea?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bizzybeast
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On a seperate note (which i think would be best suited for a new thread, but we can cross that bridge when we get there). If we wanted to setup "Buy-Orders" how would we go about this? The way I would tackle this would be to allow you to put in an order, example "I want 20 Iron Ores and I will pay 1 gil for each. so the order will look at 20 @ 1gil. Now once this is posted people can look in the "Buy-Order" section and see if there is anything they want to sell at the current prices.
Let me pre-empt some of your counters with this:
1) Yes, there will be idiots wanting to buy a pair of Vanya Pants for 1 gil. Atleast you can point and laugh and move on down the column.
2) Yes, I do want people to be able to fill partial orders, so John can fil 10 of my 20 Iron Ore and Jane can fill the remaining 10, ece, ect, ect.
3) There should be a tax, make it payable at the end, as each partial/full order is completed and paid buy the person who put the order in.
4) When the "buy-order" is placed, pull the money from the buyers gil at the time the order is placed
5) I have not made up my mind if there should be a time limit on the buy-orders as they have as auction sales
I went ahead and made a new post so that we do not all spew off on tangents and keep to the topic. the link is here:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/97762-Concept-and-mechanics-of-a-Buy-Order-side-of-an-AH -
09-27-2013, 02:56 AMJinko
All good suggestions regarding buy orders, but I think they are very limited.
As I said before generally people want items now and then and putting in a buy order may result in waiting days or even weeks to have your order filled.
If people forget they had a buy order set they could end up getting things they no longer need.
The way I would like buy orders to work is that it would work in tandem with the marketboards, so when X person puts up 20 gold ore and the system see's I want to buy 20 gold ore for a price between 100-140g each, it will match.
Possibly buying 14 from one person and 6 from another. (this could also encourage people to list smaller stacks as they are more likely to fill someone's order in doing so)
The orders could be set up through the retainer.
Give the retainers a level system, the more levels, the more buy orders your retainer can complete a day/or at once.
When a buy order has been completed you get a message similar to the MW sales notification. (if the buy order has been completed whilst offline, have the retainer send you a mail to notify you of the purchase) -
09-27-2013, 03:43 AMWulfies
Please see post for the buy orders:
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09-27-2013, 11:57 PMmythicrose
I'm currently in the process of making a cake and don't have on hand the two eggs needed for the batter. I am forced to buy a dozen eggs (or if I'm lucky I can find a half dozen carton) at the grocery store. I'm at the mercy of the seller, just like this game.
As a side note, ever stop to think that you only see the large stacks because others have already purchased the smaller stacks? I actually sell flax in stacks of 10 or 20 for a higher per unit price than those selling stacks at 99. I also move those stacks quite fast. -
09-30-2013, 07:52 AMPsistorm04
I would like to second the request. Just today on Zalera i needed some Aldgoat leather, and there was ONE person selling them. A stack of 41 pieces for a total of 12.300 gil. I can't afford prices like that, so not being able to buy units out of stacks really is ruining my progress here and just costing me WAY more money than I would need to spend otherwise.
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09-30-2013, 12:53 PMPawieHmmm, interesting
So far i have no problem to sell a stack of 5. I guess people find it reasonable to craft 5 for the sake of the exp.
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10-01-2013, 12:20 AMSinbiosYeah but the grocery store isn't limited to selling 40 batches of eggs, if they were you'd be looking at cartons of 2000. Even if they didn't spoil, would you buy them just because you had to make a cake?Quote:
Originally Posted by mythicrose
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10-01-2013, 04:24 PMBizzybeastAgain someone uses fix, which would imply something is broken. Not buying from stacks IS WORKING AS INTENDED and IS NOT BROKEN. Sorry!Quote:
Originally Posted by Psistorm04
In the above quoted, the person indicates the entire market should exist for them and only them. I need something, it should be available for me at only the price I want to pay and in the quanity I seek to buy in.
This is a false assumption, this person needed Aldgoat when they needed it and couldnt afford to buy the only listing of 41. Good! Im sorry, but good. That means the market is ripe for others to farm Aldgoat and sell small amounts. This, and ONLY THIS, creates a healthy versatile market. If the 41 person could sell the stack, as singles, not even that would have been there. Leaving you with NO options and also leaving only the most ruthless of undercutters to rule the market.
Now mind you, I am that ruthless person on my server. This WOULD not harm me, this would make me sell much much more, AND I wouldnt even have to super cut. For instance Mythril Ingots, stayed steady at 1k per an HQ ingot. I came in and sold a 99 stack (4-5 a day) at 444-777 per, depending on the lowest. If 5 were at 999, my 99 at 888, wont be as appealing, so I list then at 666 so they feel like a steal.
In the terrible broken system being requested in this thread.. I wouldnt need to do that, I would dominate the market by pre-emptively OVER cutting the market and ensuring ONLY my ingots sell. If it cost 100 gil to make them, I only need to get 101 to be profitable. Thats cute you made 5 HQ Mythril ingots, I made 500 and would NEVER care about your measly 5. As is, your 5 would sell way better then my 99.. Yet we both will sell, my bulk for cheap, and your small stacks for "fair" prices.
Since I dont need anymore gil, I seek to see a stable economy and not just more of advantage for the likes of me.
But we already have the option to sell a stack or individually, so I dont see why this needs any additional mechanics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wulfies
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10-01-2013, 07:03 PMGeobrynyes, we have the option, but its implementation is so retarded its not even funny, and the price editing ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bizzybeast
But we already have the option to sell a stack or individually, so I dont see why this needs any additional mechanics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wulfies
for example if you have 20 orders and want to change price of the bottom 5, you have to scroll down adjust price, it will scroll up so you have to again scroll down adjust price etc etc etc ..
the ability to check "sell as stack/stack only" just makes the process of setting up(and adjusting price of) multiple orders easy in one click and also it clears the listing of such orders on the market as you will see 1 order instead of 20 from one guy
why would you not want it ?
even stack sellers could benefit from it, if there would be one more checkbox(or maybe radio button) to set stack size, you could set up 20 orders of 5 in one click ....the limit of 20 orders per retainer doesn't even have to change
i think, by easing the process of setting up/managing orders would promote selling in smaller stacks which is what ppl in this thread wants
atm only the "M"s who like the clicking/scrolling hell are doing that :P