Would you be opposed to SE implementing a program to scan for addons/parsers?

If you don't support an anti-cheat you're obviously hiding skeletons, and if you do support it you support rootkits and kernel-level deep-digging software. Did I get it right?

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Originally Posted by Delis

Console players don't need ACT. You just need one person in the group that runs it. It is not ACT by itself that is most useful. When people talk about using ACT to improve, or using ACT to figure out dmg numbers for rotations or whatever, they are mostly talking about the logs that the ACT program generates. Running ACT you can see your dps numbers during the fight, sure, but that really does nothing for you in that moment. It's after the fight when the person running ACT uploads the logs and everyone can loom through them and break the fight down and see what they are doing second by second in the fight, that really matters. So along as one person in the group is on PC and running ACT, then the console players can also benefit from it.

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The best thing about ACT is being able to upload logs onto fflogs because you can take those logs and paste them into xivanalysis to review what you need to work on. It shouldn’t be controversial to want to see specifically how you can improve your play, but as per usual of this forum people who never touch the content think they understand how it works, but they just don’t.

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Originally Posted by Delis

Console players don't need ACT. You just need one person in the group that runs it.

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So content does require at least one PC player then, such that a static with only console players cannot clear endgame content. This still seems problematic from Sony’s perspective at the very least, since their platform isn’t equal to a PC. The suits thus have a strong financial motive to undermine the “PC Master Race” by enforcing platform equality and banning add-ons. This isn’t good for the master race.

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

but as per usual of this forum people who never touch the content think they understand how it works, but they just don’t.

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Very true. ACT is the bread and butter of Final Fantasy XIV, and if you don’t watch your colors and numbers on a third-party site, are you really raiding?

Also, do we know if Square Enix has any plans to acquire FFLogs and ACT since they’re essentially required to play the content? Otherwise, those services could shut down or have issues and render a lot of FFXIV’s core content unplayable.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

It's extremely likely, considering how tightly the dps checks are tuned for week 1 savage and how they know precisely the impact of minor potencies change in the overall job balance, that the dev team uses internal dps meter tools.

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"The devs must be using dps meters since I can't do it without them" They said outright they did it without any third party tools. I know that you might think they used the wording "third party tools" to hide that they use "internal dps meter tools", but the point of that statement and test was to prove that it's possible for players to complete it with the tools they have access to by default. No player has access to any "internal dps meter tools", so for all intents and purposes in this context it is safe to assume that they didn't use their own official damage meters. I don't doubt that they have them, because they have to test the game balance, but I don't believe they were used when they were testing to see if the content could be cleared without third party addons. That would defeat the entire purpose of the test and statement that it can be cleared without third party addons.

LMAO
If they added an anti-cheat there would definitely be a mass exodus. Yoshida knows this which is why he's so against the idea.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

"The devs must be using dps meters since I can't do it without them" They said outright they did it without any third party tools. I know that you might think they used the wording "third party tools" to hide that they use "internal dps meter tools", but the point of that statement and test was to prove that it's possible for players to complete it with the tools they have access to by default. No player has access to any "internal dps meter tools", so for all intents and purposes in this context it is safe to assume that they didn't use their own official damage meters. I don't doubt that they have them, because they have to test the game balance, but I don't believe they were used when they were testing to see if the content could be cleared without third party addons. That would defeat the entire purpose of the test and statement that it can be cleared without third party addons.

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It's designed to be cleared without third-party tools. It's tested to be cleared without third-party tools. But you're living in a fantasy world if you think testers never have any kind of data on their performance, especially since they use that performance to tune the dps checks for a worldwide audience.

EDIT: btw you're putting a lot of words into my mouth. I never once said that damage meters were necessary to clear any fight (I even said something closer to the opposite a few posts ago), just that feedback is necessary to become a good player, and it's an incredibly good feedback tool. I don't think for a second the testers they selected for savage and ultimate dps checks never received any kind of hard data on their performance and learned their rotation with their intuition and feelings alone, like some of you seem to genuinely believe.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

It's designed to be cleared without third-party tools. It's tested to be cleared without third-party tools. But you're living in a fantasy world if you think testers never have any kind of data on their performance, especially since they use that performance to tune the dps checks for a worldwide audience.

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They probably have their own program to use if it isn't already baked into their testing build. It would be impossible to tune anything if they didn't know the numbers themselves, yeah.

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

So content does require at least one PC player then, such that a static with only console players cannot clear endgame content. This still seems problematic from Sony’s perspective at the very least, since their platform isn’t equal to a PC. The suits thus have a strong financial motive to undermine the “PC Master Race” by enforcing platform equality and banning add-ons. This isn’t good for the master race.



Very true. ACT is the bread and butter of Final Fantasy XIV, and if you don’t watch your colors and numbers on a third-party site, are you really raiding?

Also, do we know if Square Enix has any plans to acquire FFLogs and ACT since they’re essentially required to play the content? Otherwise, those services could shut down or have issues and render a lot of FFXIV’s core content unplayable.

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I mean unless your deliberately only recruit PS4 people, you're gonna have a PC player in the mix.

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Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato

So content does require at least one PC player then, such that a static with only console players cannot clear endgame content. This still seems problematic from Sony’s perspective at the very least, since their platform isn’t equal to a PC. The suits thus have a strong financial motive to undermine the “PC Master Race” by enforcing platform equality and banning add-ons. This isn’t good for the master race.

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Noone is saying you need it to clear a fight. There is a difference between clearing and optimizing. A group of Grey's can probably clear a fight, they will have a rough time but it is more or less doable. Now if you want to take it to the next level, to optimize a fight, to learn your job better, yes the hard truth is you do need to look over logs. SE does a poor job of providing a way in game to do this. Sure they provide training dummies and sea stone sky, but they really don't let you know how you are doing.

Can a full group of console players clear? Of course they can. Can they optimize a fight and learn and identify their rotation mistakes? Most likely not. But let's be honest how likely is it that the whole group is console? I am sure there might be console only groups. Are they at a disadvantage? Yes. It's the way it is.

Or they could implement the good add-ons as part of the official game and leave all the cheats out.
Instead of asking to be able to use mods, ask them to turn some mods part of the official build, then ban everyone still using third party add-ons, cause after that they are only using them to cheat.
Ask for the right thing not the wrong one.