What things annoy you?

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Originally Posted by Kusanagi7

hmm when people have differing opinions from yours they then swing into attacker mode n try n attack you verbally or completley disregard what you say even though sometimes the things being debated, talked about are backed up by facts nope they will still not listen n cling tightly to their stance.

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Yeah, that about sums it up. It's to be expected, though - the place has effectively been taken over by a group of posters who will never distance themselves from deceptive emotional arguments. Instead of debating logically, they shun those who seek to debate from the perspective of the actual characters and factions involved. Which isn't too different to how a bunch of similar posters sought to drive away any and all who tried to discuss WoW from the Horde's perspective back when I played that. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a strong overlap in many ways.

On my end, I think I'll strive to avoid the circular arguments and not bother posting on that board outside of the initial release of fresh content patches. To me, it's proven a lot more productive to discuss the game's story and characters in-game and on other sites. Discord works too. It's all just very baffling to me, I suppose. On my end, I've made it clear time and time again that I have no issue with agreeing to disagree on pretty much anything. Yet some of the regulars only seem to want to settle for enforcing their interpretations and theories above all else.

It's a shame, since I legitimately enjoy sharing and reading theories. I've met some awesome people by doing just that. I just don't see why it has to be taken extremely seriously to the point of hostility. It's just so strange to me. Though when some people legitimately get up in arms over someone liking pineapple as a topping on pizza, I suppose it's just a similar phenomenon to that.

the quest dialogues are all delivered in this old-english, pretentious way. No one ever just gets to the point.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Shun the nonbeliever!! Shunnnn!! ;)

All hail our great ahriman loremaster and story saviour. :p

Seriously though, I guess we can get a little.... obssessed... but then it's because we love the story so much we just get really into it. ;)

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I do think it's getting to the point though where some people want the story to amount to moral instruction on their view of ethics, and I don't see why it should be. I guess if a game writer wants to use it that way, fine, but it's not like I come to games for that kind of "messaging".

Me, I enjoy sometimes embracing the dark side in a game's storyline, and I also think for many a game the story is often too nuanced to make it the usual Manichean (absolute good vs evil) drivel most people are used to from many an RPG. I don't need a game writer to tell me what to think or what message I should take from a story.

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Originally Posted by Sciwolf

the quest dialogues are all delivered in this old-english, pretentious way. No one ever just gets to the point.

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It's almost like they're trying to create an immersive setting. :o

Reading this thread gave me some good laughs. ;)

Also: Doing an old relic, needing a certain fate, teleporting into the zone and seeing that exact same fate disappearing or being on its last few seconds. Then waiting quite a amount of time or doing other stuff in the zone only to have it fail because you are too far away from it and the NPC dies..

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Originally Posted by Lauront

I do think it's getting to the point though where some people want the story to amount to moral instruction on their view of ethics, and I don't see why it should be. I guess if a game writer wants to use it that way, fine, but it's not like I come to games for that kind of "messaging".

Me, I enjoy sometimes embracing the dark side in a game's storyline, and I also think for many a game the story is often too nuanced to make it the usual Manichean (absolute good vs evil) drivel most people are used to from many an RPG. I don't need a game writer to tell me what to think or what message I should take from a story.

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That's EXACTLY how it is. Especially with how games "journalist" write bad articles about games, who don't include "politics" in their games. The politics they want in games are THEIR politics, effectively making games - which should be an escape - propaganda filled garbage. Apparently, games should revolve around US politics as well, for that matter.

On these forums you can see a lot of the viewpoints from a supposed "moral" viewpoint. If you even sympathise with ascians for example, you then condone mass slaughter or something along those lines. It's completely black and white. You can't even disconnect yourself from reality and try to play a bad guy, because if you want to do that you then apparently agree with all the harsh real life comparisons they can come up with.

This brainwashed generation is trying to brainwash the next generation through games.

Server ticks. When you're out of something and others can confirm you're out of it only to be suddenly 'hit' by it.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

That's EXACTLY how it is. Especially with how games "journalist" write bad articles about games, who don't include "politics" in their games. The politics they want in games are THEIR politics, effectively making ga6mes - which should be an escape - propaganda filled garbage. Apparently, games should revolve around US politics as well, for that matter.

On these forums you can see a lot of the viewpoints from a supposed "moral" viewpoint. If you even sympathise with ascians for example, you then condone mass slaughter or something along those lines. It's completely black and white. You can't even disconnect yourself from reality and try to play a bad guy, because if you want to do that you then apparently agree with all the harsh real life comparisons they can come up with.

This brainwashed generation is trying to brainwash the next generation through games.

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I agreed wholeheartedly on everything u said untill the 'brainwashed' part. Care to elaborate what u mean exactly??

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

On these forums you can see a lot of the viewpoints from a supposed "moral" viewpoint. If you even sympathise with ascians for example, you then condone mass slaughter or something along those lines. It's completely black and white. You can't even disconnect yourself from reality and try to play a bad guy, because if you want to do that you then apparently agree with all the harsh real life comparisons they can come up with.

This brainwashed generation is trying to brainwash the next generation through games.

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Maybe a bit off topic but: Its probably quite hard to not judge something without using your own views, morality and other real life experiences in it. So it really should not be surprising that people do that with this story. I am also quite fine if someone likes the bad guys, but it is a bit annoying when they suddenly dont accept them as the bad guys but try to spin them into something good (especially while using weak or no arguments at all).

Also the characters and their governments have moral standards too. So we do have a way to see how they would react to certain events and their morals are not that different from most of ours. Thus it makes quite a lot of sense to use that in arguments.

Again if you want to play the bad guy then accept that he is one and that the stuff he does is horrible. But if you want to play the bad guy but dont want its actions to be seen as something bad or even evil, then there is imo something wrong. And then people have the right to point out that its morally right..

(There is also a difference between feeling sympathy for the Ascians and outright making a thread asking why they should not win and that they should kill everyone. Of course that does not say anything about you as a real life person)

- Target change (Please SE, change to "Select the next CLOSE range target, not random close target)
- The Story doesn't let me do a "LEROY JENKINS" when they ask me what to do (dan't you twins always overthinking all!)
- Lalafels, I can't kill those enough...
- I will never be the real Hero of Darkness
- Moogles not playable race. Why? lalafels Ok but not our Moogles? :( make my sad

you are a warrior of darkness, unless you will never get shadowbringers expansion, darkness is not evil what makes you kill everything and behave in selfish ways.