Viera as the next new race~ Show your support

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Originally Posted by Senn

I don't think beastmen like Lupin will be added as a playable race. I know I would never play as a beastmen. I'm completely uninterested in beastmen being a playable race, but I'm not particularly opposed to their addition later on in the future, either. I still don't think it'd happen, and I don't care either way. There's something I've been wondering though; how would hairstyles work for the Lupin? I think it'd look kind of silly. In any case, I'll be happy as long as they add viera.

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Unlikely to ever have playable beastmen due to laws of Ul'dah.

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Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

Unlikely to ever have playable beastmen due to laws of Ul'dah.

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I wouldn't use that as a reason they won't happen. A simple text edit and that goes bye bye. And if you want a lore reason, well, it's Ul'dah, profit.

I support this.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

As for why I want Lupin to be playable... one big reason is that I'm tired of "cute" races (and I'm kinda worried Viera may suffer this). Another reason being I just want to see something that isn't yet another 90-95% human with some animal bits here and there (at least the Lupin have a wolf head and the one piece of official art for them is adorable).

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See, I have the same fear about the first one. I don't want 'cute' and I'm terrified that the chibi bunny option would be the ONLY option (I would be perfectly okay if they were two tribes with warriors as one option and cutsies as another but that is a TON of dev work). As for your second reason, sadly, I don't think we'll ever get a race that isn't 90% human. If the issue with Viera really is the feet we will never see anything remotely more drastic, especially not something with a muzzle or a semi-inhuman body shape.

Also, there's actually a win hidden in the Viera for those who do want more bestial races. IF the devs DO make Viera feet high heeled...wouldn't that make the necessary skeleton rig to offer such an option to races in the future available? With all the shoes in game remodeled to fit Viera feet could we see the textures warped a bit to fit other types of bestial feet? If they do the work now, that's one less thing they have to do for another race later. I really do hope that the feet come into play for exactly this reason, just like I hope later on down the line we get even more varied racial options.

Or at least a wee bit more customization for the races we do end up with.

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Originally Posted by Leloa

The heck people, SE could just release a Lupin mask and people wanting to be one can just cosplay one, no need to make it a race. Unless a lot of furry loving people keep asking for one that doesn't have human features but I still see Viera more possible than Lupin atm... seriously, a mask. :P

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And body hair (or fur, I guess. Think about it, Lupin would be the only race to have body hair, something which I think every race should have the option of having) and a tail that isn't tied to the body-piece (seriously, why is the tail attached to the hideous body and not the pants that are literally called a werewolf tail).

Anyway, Gold Saucer rabbit ears for faux-Viera.

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Originally Posted by Keridwyn

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I see the win, which is why with some of my arguments, I'm actually pushing toward the redesign of every foot gear for them and arguing against those who would rather have them with human feet, or have unique feet, but the gear is 'hidden' for whatever silly reason. I still don't want Viera, but if they're going to be a playable race, then SE needs to go all the way with them. Give them their unique feet and hands (they're kinda unique?). Don't just make them an usamimi and/or Miqo'te/Au Ra clone.

It's pretty disingenuous to tell ppl to just use obviously fake bunny ears and complain when you have some pretty decent fox/wolf ears and even a tail costume. Also trying to politicize viera feet as some kind of political tool to bolster support for monstrous races seems like a bad idea. Final Fantasy is a continually self-referential series after all and viera makes sense, some monsters as warriors of light does not make much sense as a reference point to the series. You have more chance to see a bangaa or moogle I think than orcs and goblins and werewolves and nagas and kobolds.


Here are some unique viera features I found in the other games since ppl say they don't have any, asterisk on possible real rabbit features to import unique to FFXIV.
- Ears (straight, *flopped, multiple earrings, *animated in emotes)
- Tails (plumed, *ball, *tucked, armored tail for paladin/warrior/dragoon/dark knight)
- Nose (short, colored tip/nostrils, *animal style, *whiskers)
- Eyes (large, *black sclera, *red sclera)
- Mouth (big/full lips, *bunny teeth when talking, toggle veil)
- Face (different base features/look from current races)
- Body (Pear shape, low SHR, high LBR, lithe build and lanky legs)
- tattoo (full body on arms, legs and collar bone)
- Hands (beastly, long nails)
- Feet (long, beast shaped, toggle stilettos)
- Unique Hair Styles (long, down to their ankles)
- Animations (*hopping run/surprise/cheet/etc, *sleep while standing, *laying/crouching /sit cpose)
- Subraces (known race names: veena, rava, feol. Make #1 dark skin, white ears, and highlander tall female but midlander male. Make #2 fair skinned, hair/skin color shaded ears, both male and female Au Ra female height equally)

There is a lot of stuff they have to draw on for art direction and not being a copy of another race. There are actually probably too many unique features for viera to fit it all into a single FFXIV race.

Hats can use holes like miqotes or flop out the side/back like viera onion knight for helmets.

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/...ht_Artwork.png

The helmet has white feathers on top, the hair is white, the ears are brown flopping out the back of the helmet.

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Originally Posted by UsagiAndCrepes

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I have said it before, but glad to know others see how easy the redesign/ or lack thereof for Viera ears can be done. Rabbits do it all the time in nature, why a sentient race of warriors couldn't makes for weak argument.
http://www.visitkelso.com/wp-content.../09/Bunny2.jpg

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Originally Posted by UsagiAndCrepes

It's pretty disingenuous to tell ppl to just use obviously fake bunny ears and complain when you have some pretty decent fox/wolf ears and even a tail costume. Also trying to politicize viera feet as some kind of political tool to bolster support for monstrous races seems like a bad idea. Final Fantasy is a continually self-referential series after all and viera makes sense, some monsters as warriors of light does not make much sense as a reference point to the series. You have more chance to see a bangaa or moogle I think than orcs and goblins and werewolves and nagas and kobolds.

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And yet in FFV, there is a wolfman (Kelger) who was a Warrior of Dawn (defeated Exdeath). Besides, compared to other Beastmen in XIV, Lupin aren't really all that monstrous.
Also like I said in my previous post, the tail should be attached to the legs (again, literally called Werewolf Tail) and not the hideous body.

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Originally Posted by UsagiAndCrepes

It's pretty disingenuous to tell ppl to just use obviously fake bunny ears and complain when you have some pretty decent fox/wolf ears and even a tail costume. Also trying to politicize viera feet as some kind of political tool to bolster support for monstrous races seems like a bad idea.

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Oh so you mean I cannot support Viera and hope that they do the feet so that we might also see Burmecian and possibly further unique races? It's not political at all, it's stating a fact I think a lot of people overlook in their 'don't want bunny people' argument. If they do the work on the skeleton rig now then it becomes possible for them to use it in the future for other things. If they redesign the foot ware now it means that they have the option when considering future races. Am I saying it so that people will support the Viera, no, but it deserves to be pointed out.

B-but Viera are already in game!

https://i.imgur.com/9Yezs3v.jpg

Not sure if people already mention, this thread is too long to check.

It feels like they would have way less trouble if they put another system on the current races or add subraces. Changing all existing gear for a new race is a lot of work, and then you get the unfinished style like on Au'ra.
It could be similar to how WoW allowed humans to go werewolf? and back to human again. There could be unique glamour just for that subclass/transformation of a new job instead of designing everything new. It would allow more races in less time, while not being a full new race with new lore.
I think people would love a real elf class(closer to LotR style), elezen have some of their basic features, ofc some people like it, but for me it is a failed elf class with annoying animation/emotes.

They did an Official Player Poll back before FFXIV ARR even launchedit confirmed Viera as the most demanded and desired playable race.

Viera votes outnumbered everything else.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/46936

it's as official as official public polls get. People's race preference then is the same now.

the only thing that came close were mixed races, followed by new clans for existing races,
but they still are greatly outnumbered compared to Viera votes.

Viera has over 50% more votes than reptilian and demi beastmen races

over 70% more votes than wolf/gnoll races



I would love to see Viera added like Alacran has described

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...f1bab082db.jpg[/QUOTE]
And from this concept art

[IMG]http://cdn4.dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Viera1.jpg[/IMG

I like the smaller version in the concept art but also think it’s a drastic change between clans.

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Originally Posted by Coombah

Viera votes outnumbered everything else.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/46936

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> Hybrid races
> Miqote-Lalafell

-cough- -cough-

But i want something like Hyur-Elezen mix, Hilda is a good example.

p.s. Thanks for the link.

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Originally Posted by Coombah

They did an Official Player Poll back before FFXIV ARR even launchedit confirmed Viera as the most demanded and desired playable race.

Viera votes outnumbered everything else.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...r-the-new-year

Same thing happened here in the thread I opened. Viera, Dancer and Butt slider get the overwhelming majority of votes.

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Originally Posted by Zeonsilt

> Hybrid races
> Miqote-Lalafell

-cough- -cough-

But i want something like Hyur-Elezen mix, Hilda is a good example.

p.s. Thanks for the link.

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Your welcome, also I like then intention of the other linked thread as well. People want Viera they also want more options to customize there character. Hybrid race would work well for the whole third clan thing as well.

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Originally Posted by Coombah

You're welcome, also I like then intention of the other linked thread as well. People want Viera they also want more options to customize there character. Hybrid race would work well for the whole third clan thing as well.

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It could. Or it could also be a separate option. I wanted to get a clear look at what we really want. If Viera fans are just the vocal minority, we could find proof. So far it seems that as far as new races are concerned, nothing even comes close to Viera.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

It could. Or it could also be a separate option. I wanted to get a clear look at what we really want. If Viera fans are just the vocal minority, we could find proof. So far it seems that as far as new races are concerned, nothing even comes close to Viera.

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Agreed. I think they should do another player poll for this and other things that have been mentioned

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Originally Posted by Coombah

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Mammalian demi-beastmen is what people voted for. Viera was used as an example to give people an idea of what such a race could look like (and despite the poll, "Reptilian" demi-beastmen is what XIV got).

Also it was 2012, when the XIV community was much smaller compared to now. If they did another poll with the same options (though nixing Viera as an example this time), either the end result will remain the same with Mammalian demi-beastmen with a slightly higher vote count, Mammalian demi-beastmen being much higher than the others, or something completely different.

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Originally Posted by Coombah

Agreed. I think they should do another player poll for this and other things that have been mentioned

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Oh that would be nice. And more comprehensive than me asking the english speaking playerbase.

Hey, Yoshie-P! Coombah had a great idea. Let's make another player poll!

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Originally Posted by Nestama

(though nixing Viera as an example this time)

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I don't see why viera should be removed from the polling. I would keep the poll the same, but give viera its own category instead of putting it under mammalian demi-beastmen. I think people largely voted for mammalian demi-beastmen because viera was listed as the example, and people wanted viera.

I'd like to think we can do better than Hyur + bunny ears, but if it's what the community wants ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally Posted by Kohdo

I'd like to think we can do better than Hyur + bunny ears, but if it's what the community wants ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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I really hate this argument as this game does not have very unique races. All of them can be boiled down to Hyur + some sort of adjustment.

Miqo: Hyur + tail/ears
Roeg: Hyur + some bulk
Elezen: Hyur+ pointy ears
Au Ra: Hyur + scales/horns

If the game already had actual beastial races, or races that didn't look like they were created with a hyur as a starting point, perhaps that argument would hold more weight.

When I saw miqo-te+lalafell, one thing came to mind.

https://78.media.tumblr.com/06a725fe...ibtio1_250.gif

The thing is though, they need to spend their time making something that will be fairly popular. And stay popular - they need a race that people will likely fantasia back and forth to several times. Legit beast races will only feed a small group of people. They know attractive rabbit girls will feed a whole lot more. Taking in the popularity of female Miqo'te and Au Ra, I think it's pretty obvious that Hyur+animal ears will win the race.

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Originally Posted by Senn

I don't see why viera should be removed from the polling. I would keep the poll the same, but give viera its own category instead of putting it under mammalian demi-beastmen. I think people largely voted for mammalian demi-beastmen because viera was listed as the example, and people wanted viera.

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Because it's the only one that has a very specific example (hence why Yoshi-P wondered if it gave it an unfair advantage), while the others require voters to imagine what the potential race could look like.

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Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget

Taking in the popularity of female Miqo'te and Au Ra, I think it's pretty obvious that Hyur+animal ears will win the race.

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That kinda makes me worry for Viera... will they be the 'Fran' (or adult woman) fans want, or another Miqo'te/Au Ra cute girl?

Wow... still going... nothing outlasts the energizer... it keeps going and going and going... XP

My only real desire if they add viera is to have the women be tall and fierce looking like Fran and make the males small and cute... >.>

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Originally Posted by Nestama

That kinda makes me worry for Viera... will they be the 'Fran' (or adult woman) fans want, or another Miqo'te/Au Ra cute girl?

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To be honest, I'm hoping we get a Fran. Lets look at it this way - no one can turn a blind eye to the fact that SE has been making more... unique footwear for our characters. At this point we have several boots that alter the entire shape of the foot to be more animal like - which happens to be the exact shape Viera feet are. It seems like to me they're trying to prep the game and test limits to see if these new designs would work right on a potential race they know many people want.

All I ask is that my bunny ladies be tol.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

That kinda makes me worry for Viera... will they be the 'Fran' (or adult woman) fans want, or another Miqo'te/Au Ra cute girl?

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Considering the pole someone posted earlier in this thread? No, because Square stated we like cute. I'll edit if I find the parts again.

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Originally Posted by Coombah

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/46936

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It's towards the bottom. If I try to quote from that page to show Yoshi said it, it tells me I'm not allowed to. Here's a copy paste though.

"The result seems to tell us that players are prioritizing cuteness, something which I noted with great interest."

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Originally Posted by GetFoesReqd

When I saw miqo-te+lalafell, one thing came to mind.

https://78.media.tumblr.com/06a725fe...ibtio1_250.gif

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I loved my Popori. I played a priest , and the retreat would cause it to land flat on its butt then bounce up onto his feet. SO adorable. Not to mention rolling on the ground when laughing.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

That kinda makes me worry for Viera... will they be the 'Fran' (or adult woman) fans want, or another Miqo'te/Au Ra cute girl?

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If all they are going to do is make Bunny Miqote, I'd rather them just not waste the dev time at all.

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Originally Posted by KeyboardFacerollname

B-but Viera are already in game!

https://i.imgur.com/9Yezs3v.jpg

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What feet are those?

I think they KNOW by now that one of the reasons as to why we are requesting Viera is because of the fierce abd mature look of Fran. If they added this race there's no way on earth we getting a cutecy bunny.

Is Fran or nothing at this point.

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Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

What feet are those?

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Werewolf Legs from the most recent Halloween event.

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Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

What feet are those?

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2017 Halloween event reward, Female variant. Set includes Ears, hands, body, legs, and feet equipment.

https://cdn3.dualshockers.com/wp-con...10/FFXIV-2.jpg

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Originally Posted by Jijifli

Considering the pole someone posted earlier in this thread? No, because Square stated we like cute. I'll edit if I find the parts again.

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It's towards the bottom. If I try to quote from that page to show Yoshi said it, it tells me I'm not allowed to. Here's a copy paste though.

"The result seems to tell us that players are prioritizing cuteness, something which I noted with great interest."

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I'm smelling a new poll here. What kind of Viera do you want?

1. Fierce looking rabbit amazon (Fran)
2. Bunny mi'qote (Y'shtola with rabbit ears)
3. Bunny lala (Tataru with rabbit ears)
4. Actual rabbit people (Hummingway)

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Originally Posted by Balipu

I'm smelling a new poll here. What kind of Viera do you want?

1. Fierce looking rabbit amazon (Fran)
2. Bunny mi'qote (Y'shtola with rabbit ears)
3. Bunny lala (Tataru with rabbit ears)
4. Actual rabbit people (Hummingway)

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*votes for number 4*

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Originally Posted by Balipu

I'm smelling a new poll here. What kind of Viera do you want?

1. Fierce looking rabbit amazon (Fran)
2. Bunny mi'qote (Y'shtola with rabbit ears)
3. Bunny lala (Tataru with rabbit ears)
4. Actual rabbit people (Hummingway)

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Fran all the way. Like, how could you NOT want that.... >.>

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Originally Posted by Mature

I think they KNOW by now that one of the reasons as to why we are requesting Viera is because of the fierce abd mature look of Fran. If they added this race there's no way on earth we getting a cutecy bunny.

Is Fran or nothing at this point.

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One of the reasons, but I'm all but certain the biggest reason is fan-service, but people's reasons are people's reasons.

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Originally Posted by Mature

I think they KNOW by now that one of the reasons as to why we are requesting Viera is because of the fierce abd mature look of Fran. If they added this race there's no way on earth we getting a cutecy bunny.

Is Fran or nothing at this point.

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If people wanted a fierce and mature looking female characters we'd have more people playing Roes so I'm not sure that's true. Also Fran never looked fierce to me she always just looked like random fan-service to me...

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Originally Posted by Kyuuen

One of the reasons, but I'm all but certain the biggest reason is fan-service, but people's reasons are people's reasons.

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you are saying that as if fierce looking mature amazon weren't fan service.