Monks very weak. Need rebalance

We run two monks in our coil group (working on Twintania) and they put out very solid dps. Looking at streams from our fights I usually see snap punches in the 600-700 range.

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Originally Posted by Aeoliana

We run two monks in our coil group (working on Twintania) and they put out very solid dps. Looking at streams from our fights I usually see snap punches in the 600-700 range.

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Yea every 2 min or so with cooldowns. Otherwise around 500-600

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Originally Posted by Allyrion

Can you source the sample test?

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Check my pre post link, on 5 min dummy test from all DPS. Monk isn't on the top. You can't find another way to do a fair comparison. Since boss has some mechanic favor certain class. If you can do over 400dps on dummy, you will be on the top. Anything above 200 DPS just medium.

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Originally Posted by Aeoliana

We run two monks in our coil group (working on Twintania) and they put out very solid dps. Looking at streams from our fights I usually see snap punches in the 600-700 range.

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600-700 is crit Dmg. MNK is the only class can't go over 1000 for 1 shot. But MNK weapon auto attack do a lots Dmg. so overall monk DPS is ok, pair with dragoon, dragoon do more burst Dmg and monk win for a long term fight.

im hittin 790 crit with mercy stroke : P

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Originally Posted by neoreturn

Check my pre post link, on 5 min dummy test from all DPS. Monk isn't on the top. You can't find another way to do a fair comparison. Since boss has some mechanic favor certain class. If you can do over 400dps on dummy, you will be on the top. Anything above 200 DPS just medium.

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You mean the thread on target dummies? That's no more of a large sample test than anyone else's anecdotal experience. You can't find another way to do a fair comparison, if everyone was in the same gear....and the same person.
I'm doing 250 on a target dummy for 5 mins, but I'm only darklight geared plus relic+1. I'd love to see some allagan monk post. But not one of the monks that posted were, so the test doesn't really say anything about monks.
The BLM's with 300+ were crazy geared. Not to mention they lose more dps than us when any movement is involved.

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Originally Posted by neoreturn

600-700 is crit Dmg. MNK is the only class can't go over 1000 for 1 shot. But MNK weapon auto attack do a lots Dmg. so overall monk DPS is ok, pair with dragoon, dragoon do more burst Dmg and monk win for a long term fight.

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I'm pretty sure my biggest crit so far is like 718 o_O so you can add bard to that list

Once I get my sim for monks we can get a fair comparison =)

As of now on a stand still backstabbable target, Dragoon eeks out ahead of Bard but not by much, though is much more sustainable TP wise. Bard TP consumption is still through the roof, and I imagine monk will be as well.

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

Once I get my sim for monks we can get a fair comparison =)

As of now on a stand still backstabbable target, Dragoon eeks out ahead of Bard but not by much, though is much more sustainable TP wise. Bard TP consumption is still through the roof, and I imagine monk will be as well.

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Thanks, pandabearcat, looking forward to the MNK sim. Your hard work is appreciated.

Under the same general conditions (stats), my model estimates the following max DPS levels:

DRG: 252.2
BRD*: 244.0
MNK**: 267.7

* Bard estimate does not include Disembowel from DRG. This is roughly a 6-7% increase in total.
** No GL ramp up (start at 3 stacks), no Perfect Balance used for burst or ramp up.

Minor edit: I neglected to adjust the 3 individual stacks of the damage buff portion of GL to be additive since it's 1 buff, rather than multiplicative based on the GL skill speed calculations in the other thread. Net result is a minor downgrade in the MNK estimate.