If you are a WHM without Swiftcast, you are holding back your team at endgame

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Originally Posted by Shizato

says the player who wants to blame a wipe on someone who ACTUALLY dodged...mk...you go with that then

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Sorry I'd rather win the fight than lose because another player is too good to raise someone :T

The healer that doesn't raise or heal would be first to get kicked and replaced btw, just saying. - signed, the tank

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Originally Posted by Shizato

yes, the player who resses me when i fail to dodge and die is covering for my failure, and if we win its because of their charity, but if we lose when they dont res me its because of me failing to dodge and dying...

its really simple, i assure you...

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I just can't understand this twisted elitism, what you're saying is it's perfectly ok for you to not do the easy thing (FATE's/low level dungeons) to get Swiftcast but to make up for that everyone else has to be flawless at all times, everytime even in the toughest content.

Consider my melon twisted.

Also doing your job is not charity, it's ya know, doing your job.

All heals should have swiftcast if they would like to contribute to the best of their availability towards the group's success. Swiftcast is NOT just for rezzing, there are a ton of uses for it that make it a huge benefit in your arsenal as a healer. It takes very little time and effort to get a THM to 26 to get this skill, and to not do so is simply lazy.

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Originally Posted by Amyas

Sorry I'd rather win the fight than lose because another player is too good to raise someone :T

The healer that doesn't raise or heal would be first to get kicked and replaced btw, just saying. - signed, the tank

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the players that refuse to dodge over and over are the first to get kicked and replaced in any group im in

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

You know, it's not just the getting hit by a plume that can get you killed. Or it's not just DPS. Sometime you, yourself, the healer get hit by a plume. Or the tank lost hate for a second and the mob oneshotted the poor BLM. Or the tank didn't grab the mob in time during T4 and it oneshotted someone. Oh and, you know Swiftcast is not used only for raise, right? SCHs use it to re-cast the fairy or switch it, WHM can swiftcast Medica II in situation like Ifrit Nails, after Ifrit astral flow or Titan jumps.

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and NONE of those are the failings of the healer, they are all failings of the DD and the tank, except poor placement of the healers pet, which is the healers failing...using it to insta cast a heal makes it a useful tool for a healer, but not a required one...

the reason SWIFTCAST is on a DD job is because its a DD tool

the reason SWIFTCAST is shared to healers is because its useful to healers

neither of those mean its the healers JOB to use it to cover for you when you fail....

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Originally Posted by Shizato

neither of those mean its the healers JOB to use it to cover for you when you fail....

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But your job IS to raise people, why are you so resistant to something that would make you better at it?

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Originally Posted by Shizato

carpe noctum, as in the signature

just because you CAN do something doesnt mean it is your JOB to do it...

i have yet to join a team that told me if i dont cover for their failures then i would be replaced...

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try coil and extreme primals and come back to us

"Not my job", the perfect creed for cooperative play. Also what happens if a tank gets blown up through relatively nobodies fault? "Wipe it up the healer's ego won't let them res!"

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Originally Posted by Shizato

and NONE of those are the failings of the healer, they are all failings of the DD and the tank, except poor placement of the healers pet, which is the healers failing...using it to insta cast a heal makes it a useful tool for a healer, but not a required one...

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I'd really be interested to ask you what you view as "required" cross class skills. Mainly to see you freak out more that people just won't let you have your way in this argument, but also because I'm curious.

I don't get it. Swiftcast is great utility and helps out your group if someone makes a mistake. That quick raise when someone dies during divebomb, or just a quick raise to correct a dps who got too enthusiastic dpsing that he forgot to watch for Imminent Catastrophe. Heck, throwing a quick swiftcast medica 2 because you were distracted by Titan EM will also save your team's life.

Sure, they should not be getting hit in the first place, but a healer with Swiftcast can help remedy the situation quickly. It makes you a great healer, not just a good one.

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Originally Posted by Worm

"Not my job", the perfect creed for cooperative play. Also what happens if a tank gets blown up through relatively nobodies fault? "Wipe it up the healer's ego won't let them res!"


I'd really be interested to ask you what you view as "required" cross class skills. Mainly to see you freak out more that people just won't let you have your way in this argument, but also because I'm curious.

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main reason is because he hasnt been doing any of the end game raids or trials yet. and no relic either so i guess he hasnt done titan hm too. :3