Who knew the 6.15 Omega Quests… (Spoilers)

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

Imagine thinking Emet could hold a secret, when he literally threw a tantrum when you told him the "secret" of future events. Mind you, the ONLY one in the room at the time that did so. He is the number one person to overeact first and "think" later.

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You're forgetting that Emet was the only one in the room who was told he was going to become a megalomaniacal madman for 12k years. Also, within the context of that scene, it makes sense he would be upset because Venat and Hythlodaeus were entertaining the possibility of him becoming what the WoL was claiming he would become. He wasn't throwing a tantrum, he was insulted and horrified.

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Originally Posted by Deusteele

The Convocation wouldn't listen to any warning about Zodiark (Anamnesis cutscene). Given how the populace was willing to gloss over the fact that the Convocation had declared an entire seat persona non grata, easy to accept that therefore Venat and her cadre would be unable to gain a foothold in public discourse. Emet-Selch, leader of the Convocation and the one looked to for guidance during the Final Days, had nothing but disdain for Venat. How exactly would she tell a population that wouldn't listen in the first place. That's exactly what we saw in Thou Must Live, Die and Know. The Ancients followed the story beats as we told and never deviated from that path, she knew how the entire thing played out and never saw anyone break free from the cycle she was told.

the Ancients could not fight Meteion. Meteion is uniquely and narratively designed to destroy them. She turns their creations and the Ancients themselves into her tools of destruction. After 12.000 years, the Ascians had accomplished nothing about stopping the Final Days, they didn't even know the true cause because of their own arrogance. Their motives and goals where entirely centered around Zodiark.

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How is it due to their own arrogance that they didn’t know the true cause? Like what even is this ignorance. We didn’t know about it until we were specifically told. Break free from the cycle? She didn’t even try to break free from it. She talked to them AFTER THE FACT. Not before. She could literally show them her memories with the echo there’s no excuse stop defending her BS lmao. It’s pathetic really.

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Originally Posted by Deusteele

The Convocation wouldn't listen to any warning about Zodiark (Anamnesis cutscene). Given how the populace was willing to gloss over the fact that the Convocation had declared an entire seat persona non grata, easy to accept that therefore Venat and her cadre would be unable to gain a foothold in public discourse. Emet-Selch, leader of the Convocation and the one looked to for guidance during the Final Days, had nothing but disdain for Venat. How exactly would she tell a population that wouldn't listen in the first place. That's exactly what we saw in Thou Must Live, Die and Know. The Ancients followed the story beats as we told and never deviated from that path, she knew how the entire thing played out and never saw anyone break free from the cycle she was told.

the Ancients could not fight Meteion. Meteion is uniquely and narratively designed to destroy them. She turns their creations and the Ancients themselves into her tools of destruction. After 12.000 years, the Ascians had accomplished nothing about stopping the Final Days, they didn't even know the true cause because of their own arrogance. Their motives and goals where entirely centered around Zodiark.

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So uh, where can I subscribe to get more of your fanfic?

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Originally Posted by Deusteele

After 12.000 years, the Ascians had accomplished nothing about stopping the Final Days, they didn't even know the true cause because of their own arrogance. Their motives and goals where entirely centered around Zodiark.

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I would love to see you solve a problem you never knew existed. The Ancients didn't know to go fight Meteion because they thought the Final Days was a natural disaster. That's not even a headcanon, it's something the story says multiple times. The Ancients thought the Final Days occurred when the celestial currents in the atmosphere decayed. Thus they made something designed to fix said currents, Zodiark. To them, the problem was solved because they fixed the only problem they knew of.

The ONLY way the Ancients would be able to fight Meteion is if they knew she existed. It's a shame the only person on the planet who knew kept her mouth shut then got angry when the Ancients didn't solve the problem the way she wanted them to.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

So uh, where can I subscribe to get more of your fanfic?

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It's probably on Fanfiction.net

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Originally Posted by AnaviAnael

You're forgetting that Emet was the only one in the room who was told he was going to become a megalomaniacal madman for 12k years. Also, within the context of that scene, it makes sense he would be upset because Venat and Hythlodaeus were entertaining the possibility of him becoming what the WoL was claiming he would become. He wasn't throwing a tantrum, he was insulted and horrified.

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So am I to understand that, the person some are claiming to be of sound mind to be grown up enough in the moment, would also throw a tantrum because he found out he was going to do some bad things? He could have also CHOSE to not overreact and remain calm to find out why all of it would have happened. He could have also VOWED to simply try NOT to do that, again giving credit to the maturity some are claiming he possesses if he would have heard any of the events from Venat, which means he would actually have to believe WoL/Venat to begin with.

Remember his memory is also wiped, so he doesn't even know what he's going to become down the road. Elpis Emet at this point is already absorbed with his duty as a member of the Convocation to such a degree that the news would have absolutely leaked immediately (at least among the Convocation) which very likely would have alerted Hermes who could have potentially caused more issues.

Saying that Emet would have calmly handled the situation when the only literal context we have of him in game is an immediate and quite rebuking response when he hears the truth, is fallacy.

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

So am I to understand that, the person some are claiming to be of sound mind to be grown up enough in the moment, would also throw a tantrum because he found out he was going to do some bad things?

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If I told someone that you were going to be a serial killer in 10 years, I'd imagine they'd be quite offended and not want to interact with me. Keep in mind that we are not friends with Emet in this scenario. We are some random person he came across and now we're saying he's going to be a villain in 12k years. Him not wanting to interact with us after that is understandable.

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

He could have also CHOSE to not overreact and remain calm to find out why all of it would have happened.

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At this point in time, time travel is an absurd concept and he believes us to be lying through our teeth. Just because WE know what we're saying is the truth, doesn't mean he does. We just waltzed into Elpis and told him all this stuff with no proof, but he's a bad guy for not believing our tale when it sounds completely absurd? Try telling a public official irl that you're from twelve thousand years in the future, and make sure to not show any proof. It won't go very well and you'll likely be labeled insane.

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

He could have also CHOSE to simply NOT do that, again giving credit to the maturity some are claiming he possesses if he would have heard any of the events from Venat.

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Maturity = Taking absurd claims from someone you never met before seriously. Alright. At least Venat has history with him, so if Venat told him, he'd know her words are actually worth something.

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

Remember his memory is also wiped, so he doesn't even know what he's going to become down the road.

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True. But he only becomes that person due to the Final Days and the Sundering. If Venat told him ahead of time, that would have radically changed his path.

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

the news would have absolutely leaked immediately (at least among the Convocation) which very likely would have alerted Hermes who could have potentially caused more issues.

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Good, the convocation should know. And I don't care about Hermes. Before leaking it, kill him. He's a threat to the star, and not the only scientist familiar with Dynamis. I don't care if he's sad, he's an active threat to the planet. If someone irl pulled something like what he did, they'd be executed or locked up for life. Lock him up and throw away the key, or kill him, then bring in a different Dynamis expert as a consultant. Not to mention, Hermes must have some written research they can reference.

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

Saying that Emet would have calmly handled the situation when the only literal context we have of him in game is immediate and a quite rebuking response when he hears the truth is fallacy.

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Refer to my first point. This is hardly a normal situation for him.

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

So am I to understand that, the person some are claiming to be of sound mind to be grown up enough in the moment, would also throw a tantrum because he found out he was going to do some bad things? He could have also CHOSE to not overreact and remain calm to find out why all of it would have happened. He could have also VOWED to simply try NOT to do that, again giving credit to the maturity some are claiming he possesses if he would have heard any of the events from Venat, which means he would actually have to believe WoL/Venat to begin with.

Remember his memory is also wiped, so he doesn't even know what he's going to become down the road. Elpis Emet at this point is already absorbed with his duty as a member of the Convocation to such a degree that the news would have absolutely leaked immediately (at least among the Convocation) which very likely would have alerted Hermes who could have potentially caused more issues.

Saying that Emet would have calmly handled the situation when the only literal context we have of him in game is an immediate and quite rebuking response when he hears the truth, is fallacy.

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You're acting like Emet got up, stomped his feet, called you a big meanie, and ran out the door. All he said was your story was utterly preposterous and basically not to speak with him again. Most people would do the same in his case, yet you want people to believe he acted like a spoiled child who didn't get their way. Mind you, everyone during that cutscene were credulous of the WoL's tale. The only person to actively be told they were going to turn into a monster was Emet-Selch. Your argument is disingenuous.

He was also told his world was destroyed, his best friend was sacrificed, the person he loved had their soul torn apart (evidence of that is sitting across the table from him that he can see), and that after 12k years he failed to fix any of it. He flat out tells you the prospect of it all is horrifying to him. I think the man can be cut some slack for needing air and time to think.

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The Convocation wasn't listening to anything that didn't fit their narrative. So pray tell, how does Venat, whom the venerable Emet-Selch disdains, gain any form of traction to tell or convince anyone of anything?

Literally not more than 2 dialogue boxes after starting from where you linked, the person called the convocation 'stubborn fools'. Pretty sure they're not gonna listen to you if you're calling them stubborn fools. Not to mention, the person in question isn't Venat, it's one of her followers. Venat's followers knew next to nothing as she didn't share much information with them either, something the Watcher confirms for us. So we have this random guy here trying to convince the convocation of something that he himself doesn't know the details on. Great attempt at changing their minds.

Plus, the thing he told the convocation is that Zodiark wasn't a permanent solution. There is zero evidence other than this statement that Zodiark wasn't a long-term solution. The only reason his power stopped working was because someone killed him, AND his power still worked when he was only 1/14th of his strength, or we wouldn't be here. (Fandaniel) The convocation rightfully called whoever this person is out on their crap, as Zodiark would have worked had one of their own not been a traitor. (something Venat's group wouldn't have known even if Venat herself did as she shared basically nothing with them) Zodiark was a permanent solution. Venat's followers were wrong. Thus the convocation didn't listen to them. Thus Venat sundered everyone because they didn't want to do things her way.