No more QTE please.

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Originally Posted by TyrTry

You flat out called them a "jackass" and suggested their argument in pure drivel. Your statement is completely based on emotion. You don't have to agree with them or like their post, but it was unnecessary.

And play the "no your wrong" game all you like.

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To be fair not saying I agree, but using the excpectanal accomplishments of a sub set as the baseline is kinda of silly. Granted, do not tbink that was their intent, but it can be seen as such.

X can do it! As a response to as to why another cannot do something is not really an argument either.

You don't really need to be exceptional to pass this trial. With a turbo controller or a mouse/keyboard macro it'd take holding down a button. I can't fathom why you wouldn't already have one of those if pressing buttons was an issue due to physical disabilities. And yes I did make the same point before, but nobody seemed to have much to say about it other than it costs money and is therefore not a solution?

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Originally Posted by Awha

To be fair not saying I agree, but using the excpectanal accomplishments of a sub set as the baseline is kinda of silly. Granted, do not tbink that was their intent, but it can be seen as such.

X can do it! As a response to as to why another cannot do something is not really an argument either.

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You know, it's really funny, people have been playing for several years, and after a lot of events and even heavy content, they get a mechanic that they simply cannot physically complete, but in a game with ARR and three expansions after it, there was no such mechanic. But then he suddenly showed up and just weeded out people. It is really easier for them to quit the game than to argue with you. their problem is impossibility. I am a man with healthy hands and saw the video. But I killed random people in this way 5 times. Until they got out, they didn't have the patience to let a healthy person get used to their intended pace. But here people described a moment when they play and pay for a long time, like everyone else, try to overcome themselves, and as a result, they cannot go through an ordinary story, not even an extreme one. Simply because they cannot press that fast, because illness means distraction or rapid pressure. As one weird cat, John said here, you play the victim without argument because he can hit an average of 4 times per second. And it doesn't matter to him that they can't 4 buttons per second, for them GCD + some capabilities have always been acceptable, because GCD is one press per 1.8-2.4 seconds on average, which is a huge difference in compared to 4 clicks per second.

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Originally Posted by hydralus

You don't really need to be exceptional to pass this trial. With a turbo controller or a mouse/keyboard macro it'd take holding down a button. I can't fathom why you wouldn't already have one of those if pressing buttons was an issue due to physical disabilities. And yes I did make the same point before, but nobody seemed to have much to say about it other than it costs money and is therefore not a solution?

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As one weird cat said here, you play the victim without argument, because he can hit on average 4 times per second. And it doesn't matter to him that they can't 4 buttons per second, for them GCD + some possibilities were always acceptable, because GCD is one press on average for 1.8-2.4 seconds, which is a huge difference compared to 4 clicks. per second. The game itself hasn't been a problem until now. You understand that different countries have different disability benefits, and somewhere they are essential, but somewhere below the conscience. From what people can afford such costs or not, it is also difficult for them to work (or find a job, there is a lot of cruelty in the world), and while they work on themselves, they struggle with the stress of their weakness and limitations. And then they take a break from this and can do something in the game, which certainly inspires and pushes to fight, but when they are required to be like everyone else, of course it is able to break them from the inside under the pressure of the general mass.

I'd like to actually hear from someone with a physical disability directly related to failure of this trial rather than having us theorycrafting about what sorts of problems they have. So far there's been a few people who have mentioned they have physical pain due to this, but I haven't seen their response regarding a (fairly cheap) tool that would help immensely. For ANY game, not just FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by hydralus

I'd like to actually hear from someone with a physical disability directly related to failure of this trial rather than having us theorycrafting about what sorts of problems they have. So far there's been a few people who have mentioned they have physical pain due to this, but I haven't seen their response regarding a (fairly cheap) tool that would help immensely. For ANY game, not just FFXIV.

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You obviously did not read the discussion from the very beginning, instead of theorycrafting. So real quotes from real people:

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Originally Posted by Lhunuial

I've tried. My hands start hurting by the time it really matters to push the buttons and then I can't keep it up. If I'm having a good day I can do it, but if my symptoms act up then I'm not able to do it. One of my friends is also not able to do it once she's taken her meds, because they slow her reaction time.

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Originally Posted by Lhunuial

Controllers feel really awkward to me. I played FFXV on my laptop too. I've only ever played Nintendo's Wii for a short while, oh and GameCube. Controllers just feel weird to me. I always press the wrong buttons. Although I was decent at MarioKart. Smash Brothers was fun too, but not too long.

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Originally Posted by Enla

At least in my case I've done Savage, I've done almost all the Extremes (haven't done the current one as I'm waiting for my static to get the urge to do it), I almost never have an issue playing this game in any capacity because of the way this game has it's GCD timings set up. I can rest my hand between each button press and so long as I'm not whacking the keys like an idiot, I almost never have an issue. Hell while there are classes in this game that are hard on the hands like MCH, the vast majority of them do not cause repetitive stress build up on the joints because most of this game isn't set up in such a way that button mashing is necessary. Barring of course a few unskilled QTE sections that are the outliers and not the rules in content. That's like saying that because you can't do a 100 yard sprint that you aren't capable of walking every once in awhile and is so laughably absurd it's comical.

Quick, repetitive stress motions are different from clicking a button every two seconds, with the occasional weave. The latter I can do with some athletics tape to stabilize my wrists and the occasional pain pill. The former I'm in tears over because it's actually causing a stress injury.

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Still not enough?

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Originally Posted by RajNish

You obviously did not read the discussion from the very beginning, instead of theorycrafting. So real quotes from real person:

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And I've posted about it as well, in that I don't like the implication of needing to buy a controller for a game I've already put money into. Particularly when before my tried and true method for avoiding pain was legitimately until a good time after any game's release to find out how accessible it really is and subsequently avoid any that didn't meet fairly benign standards. That feels fairly insidious to me to say 'well just go buy some expensive merch because you're not going to stop playing over one QTE'. When conversely the game could literally just go back to the standard it was keeping before hand and not cause me to shell out extra money just on the off-handed chance I get stuck in that trial again.

It's also just flat out bad game design and admitting as such when you say 'well just use this outside service to get through this mechanic'. I shouldn't have to shell out money for a new controller I'll never use in any other circumstances (because again I do actually research what games have horrible accessibility standards and don't give them my money) or download an autoclicker just to get through it.

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Originally Posted by Enla

And I've posted about it as well, in that I don't like the implication of needing to buy a controller for a game I've already put money into. Particularly when before my tried and true method for avoiding pain was legitimately until a good time after any game's release to find out how accessible it really is and subsequently avoid any that didn't meet fairly benign standards. That feels fairly insidious to me to say 'well just go buy some expensive merch because you're not going to stop playing over one QTE'. When conversely the game could literally just go back to the standard it was keeping before hand and not cause me to shell out extra money just on the off-handed chance I get stuck in that trial again.

It's also just flat out bad game design and admitting as such when you say 'well just use this outside service to get through this mechanic'. I shouldn't have to shell out money for a new controller I'll never use in any other circumstances (because again I do actually research what games have horrible accessibility standards and don't give them my money) or download an autoclicker just to get through it.

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You know, I get a kind of surreal feeling when healthy people offer players with disabilities to make additional investments of money or use third-party programs in order to complete the damn story quest. I also find it strange that some of these people set in the profile low lvl undergeared twinks (almost anonymous) to hide themselves. To be honest, for me it looks like some kind of mockery.

The first question I asked a friend who invited me to this game was about accessibility. Before 5.3, I had no problems even with hard content. The actual EX trials do not cause such discomfort to me as this QTE. And I still can't figure out why the developers haven't tested this part for accessibility.

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Originally Posted by Enla

And I've posted about it as well, in that I don't like the implication of needing to buy a controller for a game I've already put money into. Particularly when before my tried and true method for avoiding pain was legitimately until a good time after any game's release to find out how accessible it really is and subsequently avoid any that didn't meet fairly benign standards. That feels fairly insidious to me to say 'well just go buy some expensive merch because you're not going to stop playing over one QTE'. When conversely the game could literally just go back to the standard it was keeping before hand and not cause me to shell out extra money just on the off-handed chance I get stuck in that trial again.

It's also just flat out bad game design and admitting as such when you say 'well just use this outside service to get through this mechanic'. I shouldn't have to shell out money for a new controller I'll never use in any other circumstances (because again I do actually research what games have horrible accessibility standards and don't give them my money) or download an autoclicker just to get through it.

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Imagine saying you shouldn't have to pay extra for heat/air conditioning because you already paid money for a house.

If you can spend some cash on video games, you should (or at least I think) reasonably be ok with forking over a few extra dollars to make the experience better for yourself. I own the game on PC, but I like playing controller. Ergo, I purchased a real Microsoft controller for its weight and how it feels in my hands versus a cheaper, general controller. You buy salt and sugar for food to give it the flavor you want regardless of what pre-made meal you purchase from the store. You buy in soles to make shoes fit more comfortably despite spending money on the shoe. The list goes on but the point is the same. You are standing in the rain here, letting yourself get wet when buying an umbrella is not the end of the world. And many places offer return services. Did you consider finding a store that allows full refund returns? I know I have ordered packages that come with return stickers.

And if money is that much of a concern, then do you honestly think subscribing to an mmo is the right choice?

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Originally Posted by Gula

Imagine saying you shouldn't have to pay extra for heat/air conditioning because you already paid money for a house.

If you can spend some cash on video games, you should (or at least I think) reasonably be ok with forking over a few extra dollars to make the experience better for yourself. I own the game on PC, but I like playing controller. Ergo, I purchased a real Microsoft controller for its weight and how it feels in my hands versus a cheaper, general controller. You buy salt and sugar for food to give it the flavor you want regardless of what pre-made meal you purchase from the store. You buy in soles to make shoes fit more comfortably despite spending money on the shoe. The list goes on but the point is the same. You are standing in the rain here, letting yourself get wet when buying an umbrella is not the end of the world. And many places offer return services. Did you consider finding a store that allows full refund returns? I know I have ordered packages that come with return stickers.

And if money is that much of a concern, then do you honestly think subscribing to an mmo is the right choice?

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This is extremely strange. The developers didn't care about accessibility, so people advice to buy controllers or use third-party programs, risking getting banned. What if I can't use the controller? What's next? Will you tell me not to play one of my favorite games? By the way, let me remind you that the waste of someone's money is not something that should be discussed on the forums. However, what else can I expect from a person who writes strange comments, hiding behind a dummy profile.