A summary of healer issues

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Originally Posted by AikenDrum

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These two things are not equivalent.

I also have a problem with fight designs where you can play off of a spreadsheet, and I suspect that's where a lot of the healer ennui comes from. But you're certainly not going to fix that with combos.

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Originally Posted by Mortex

Like when you have a entire job category aka healer, telling you since ages that healing the way they want it won’t work and then still do it then it’s ignorance nothing else

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Maybe arrogance too though...either way, 5.0 build healers are a more boring, inferior version of what we once had. They dropped the ball.

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Originally Posted by AikenDrum

both 1-2-3 combo and 1111111111 interact with fight mechanics in some way ^^

also these are all mostly static fights, cooldowns and resources on most jobs can be mapped and you'll just get a very long 1-...-N combo so over time every fight will become muscle memory

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I understand your position and I get where you're coming from. I miss the options we had between dots, shields, heals/shields, and ofc direct damage spells. They stripped away that diversity though and left us with a shell of we once had. THAT is why I say I hate 5.0 changes. The design is very shallow.

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Originally Posted by Truen

Maybe arrogance too though...either way, 5.0 build healers are a more boring, inferior version of what we once had. They dropped the ball.

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It’s really hard too think why they don’t listen what the player do say. Like even the japan community gave them fire for the healer debacle. Either they are so understaffed in the job department that they have no time too massively change stuff, but on the other hand they fixed ninja in less then 2 raid tiers and tried too fix Mnk while they didn’t gave a fluff about whm.

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Originally Posted by Mortex

It’s really hard too think why they don’t listen what the player do say. Like even the japan community gave them fire for the healer debacle. Either they are so understaffed in the job department that they have no time too massively change stuff, but on the other hand they fixed ninja in less then 2 raid tiers and tried too fix Mnk while they didn’t gave a fluff about whm.

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That's because ninja is a dps, they've been severely understaffed when it comes to any job designer that isn't a dps main for like 2 expansions atleast.
As for monk...they didn't know what to do with it since the initial design in ARR, so I'm not surprised that it ended up this barebones.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

That's because ninja is a dps, they've been severely understaffed when it comes to any job designer that isn't a dps main for like 2 expansions atleast.
As for monk...they didn't know what to do with it since the initial design in ARR, so I'm not surprised that it ended up this barebones.

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The irony with monk is that they had before the shadowbringer version the best one with stormblood. Like double tackle and tornado kick opener was pretty hard and rewarding too do so i still have no clue why they would just take that away and make it so boring.

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Originally Posted by Mortex

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More than likely, they are understaffed. From what I understand, a previous poster on this thread mentioned that they lost a battle dev during Shadowbringer's development. Losing a single dev may not sound bad, but it really hampered their ability to design certain Jobs in this game. You can see the lack of design choice when you look at the healer jobs, DRK, WAR, and MNK.

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Originally Posted by currentlemon

More than likely, they are understaffed. From what I understand, a previous poster on this thread mentioned that they lost a battle dev during Shadowbringer's development. Losing a single dev may not sound bad, but it really hampered their ability to design certain Jobs in this game. You can see the lack of design choice when you look at the healer jobs, DRK, WAR, and MNK.

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Per the credits they only had IIRC: A supervisor, 2 main devs and an intern for their battle role design team.

They've been short staffed on the battle job design team for years now and it's completely on them why they haven't rectified that. It's not like they're hurting for money.

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Originally Posted by Mortex

The irony with monk is that they had before the shadowbringer version the best one with stormblood. Like double tackle and tornado kick opener was pretty hard and rewarding too do so i still have no clue why they would just take that away and make it so boring.

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Because tackles didn't really fit the monk design and the tornado kick opener wasn't intended, it was niche, and it was extremely hard to pull off if you had any lag whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Mortex

It’s really hard too think why they don’t listen what the player do say. Like even the japan community gave them fire for the healer debacle. Either they are so understaffed in the job department that they have no time too massively change stuff, but on the other hand they fixed ninja in less then 2 raid tiers and tried too fix Mnk while they didn’t gave a fluff about whm.

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Monk in sb was flat out unplayed as much as it was in shb. Most of its stuff was completely useless or non functional and the opener didn't work if you had any ping whatsover. Plus it was weak and lacked utility...you know exactly like whm in sb.

Until the job design team gets a substantial increase with at least 1 dev that mains healers and another tanks, then dps will still get preferential treatment to the detriment of other roles.

The dps players also need to get their heads out their arses and realise that just because they aren't spamming cure/benefic/physick does not mean the healers arent healing

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Originally Posted by Recon1o6

Until the job design team gets a substantial increase with at least 1 dev that mains healers and another tanks, then dps will still get preferential treatment to the detriment of other roles.

The dps players also need to get their heads out their arses and realise that just because they aren't spamming cure/benefic/physick does not mean the healers arent healing

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If you've actually done the healer Halls of the Novice Trials, you'll find that's exactly how the devs expect healers to act. The "trainer" NPC will scream at you to heal your allies when they're at like 80% health. It's so pathetic and annoying -_-;