Is anyone annoyed by the HUGE number of people using bots on this game?

When Crafting and Fishing becomes fun instead of being the current mind-numbingly, repetitive and boring tasks they are currently, players will not have the strong desire to bot like they do now in order to simply level up crafting/fishing jobs.

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Originally Posted by Crica

When Crafting and Fishing becomes fun instead of being the current mind-numbingly, repetitive and boring tasks they are currently, players will not have the strong desire to bot like they do now in order to simply level up crafting/fishing jobs.

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botters will still bot

legit players dont become botters because they dont like something, legit players just dont do it at all

cheaters bot, regardless of how involved, easy, hard or whatever the system is

Let's make one thing clear. Crafting in FFXIV is by no means superior to crafting in WOW. The only thing FFXIV does more is that you need to chose your mats and the amount of mats and then chose the recipe which IMO is a waste of time. We should have a recipe book with all recipes learned and selecting one would take the items out of your bag automatically.

Having to chose the mats to start a recipe slows down the whole process and has 0 benefit. The crafting process is the same for every single crafting job out there and basically you just spam the same button over and over just as you do in WOW. the only difference is that in WOW you press the button once and you get the item and in FFXIV you have to press that same button a bunch of times and watch a little animation.

How some of you think this is better then crafting in WOW or makes you feel that you earned anything only because it took you 10 times the amount of time to craft a single item is beyond me. I'm all for making thing more interactive and having a sense of accomplishment but this is not the way to do it. All that SE managed to achieve with crafting in FFXIV is to make you waste even more time then you would in other MMOS when crafting and you get nothing in return for it.

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Listen to Satan, he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

botters will still bot

legit players don't become botters because they don't like something, legit players just don't do it at all

cheaters bot, regardless of how involved, easy, hard or whatever the system is

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If the botters left the game/are banned from the game then there would not be many left in the game at this point in time.

Draw in the legit player by offering fun gameplay and there is no need to worry about the majority botting.

Regardless of what you think, legit players are not going to play a game that is boring.

But at least they turned it into a full time job Oni. Amirite?

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Originally Posted by Crica

When Crafting and Fishing becomes fun instead of being the current mind-numbingly, repetitive and boring tasks they are currently, players will not have the strong desire to bot like they do now in order to simply level up crafting/fishing jobs.

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I actually don't mind the Gathering Classes, but the Crafting classes are pretty much all the same thing, and there are more crafting classes to work on than gathering, so its just the Crafting Classes that I can see becoming extremely tiresome. If there was a way to make each class have a different synth minigame, then I can see crafting becoming a part of every player's schedule.

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Originally Posted by Petdo

With this super-complex recipe and tons of recipe to do, i think IF you really need to sell something, you can do it, just find what is sold out and try to sell that item.

You idea root back to the armory system, that people will buy ONLY highest rank gear for each class and nothing else. So why you just sick of that you can't rule the market..

How about the people that spend time 18 hours a day crafting without botting and he/she reach higher lv than you and this guy dominate the market and you cry that they outsell the no-time player? Still fair?

Make these DoH/DoL class to the hobby one, focus on fighting class, make crafting simpler and more fun, limit max DoH/DoL you can level up for 1 charactor ( like 11 )

I think this should solve some problem.

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I'm not crying now am I? And that's why they should have all gear rank requirements, so lower rank stuff will actually sell. The main reason I picked up mine was to be able to repair some things that I have. Later I would pick it up, but it's not my main focus.

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Originally Posted by Nuru

I actually don't mind the Gathering Classes, but the Crafting classes are pretty much all the same thing, and there are more crafting classes to work on than gathering, so its just the Crafting Classes that I can see becoming extremely tiresome. If there was a way to make each class have a different synth minigame, then I can see crafting becoming a part of every player's schedule.

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I literally fall asleep in my chair every-time I try to craft in FFXIV.

I am dead serious.

I can not stay awake past the 3rd guild leave, let alone try to level crafting outside of a guild leave.

I try to craft at least once a week, and each time... zzzzz... log off.

Yooooo. Fishing is so *** exciting. It's like I'm going to hop out of my chair and start swimming in the water and just grab these black eels as they try to escape.

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You're just mad that I think I'm better than a common botter.
Wellll I am. So sorry.

You're not better than the common botter. You are the common botter. lol

Still waiting on this thread to get locked.

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Originally Posted by Crica

If the botters left the game/are banned from the game then there would not be many left in the game at this point in time.
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Lol try us.
What a pathetic argument for botter sympathizers around the world.
We don't need you. We don't want you. We don't want anyone who associates with you.
You think you run the game. That's the entire problem with you and your side.

Uhno. Yadont

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

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You're just mad that I think I'm better than a common botter.
Wellll I am. So sorry.

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You know, saying you're better than a common botter isn't exactly something to be proud of. Are you implying you're an avarage/ standard botter, or professional botter?

He is BOTSASAURUS REX!

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Lol try us.
What a pathetic argument for botter sympathizers around the world.

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I am not sympathizing with anyone.

Boring is boring.

Crafting is boring therefore players bot so they can play something fun while the bot does the boring stuff.

Its really simple logic.

And there is nothing to try.

This thread would not exist if players did not think the majority were botting.

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Originally Posted by Adol

You know, saying you're better than a common botter isn't exactly something to be proud of. Are you implying you're an avarage/ standard botter, or professional botter?

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lol i think he just didnt think before he said that

im pretty sure per isnt a botter, much like im not

he just plays too damn much, much like i do

i know ive suffered every damn SP ive earned and hopefuly itl pay off in the long run

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Originally Posted by Crica

When Crafting and Fishing becomes fun instead of being the current mind-numbingly, repetitive and boring tasks they are currently, players will not have the strong desire to bot like they do now in order to simply level up crafting/fishing jobs.

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When we ban your ass, you won't bot any more either, right? I mean your desire, at that point, becomes "Not our problem."
Hey I'll take the action that doesn't depend on YOUR subjective assessment of the quality of the activity any day.

So...ban em. It's not the game's fault. They're scum players.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

lol i think he just didnt think before he said that

im pretty sure per isnt a botter, much like im not

he just plays too damn much, much like i do

i know ive suffered every damn SP ive earned and hopefuly itl pay off in the long run

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I know, I was joking, really.
But saying that Per will likely respond in his/ her usual super-internet-detective style of typing...

People need to understand


Botting is NOT a byproduct of the state of a game

botting is because people are cheaters and would do it regardless of what game it is

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

botters will still bot

legit players dont become botters because they dont like something, legit players just dont do it at all

cheaters bot, regardless of how involved, easy, hard or whatever the system is

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Don't be silly. It's not like there's a hard border between those who will always bot and those who never will. There is a full spectrum of gray between each endpoint, and the more boring and tedious the task is, the more people are encouraged to give in and bot to avoid all that boring busywork.

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Originally Posted by Adol

You know, saying you're better than a common botter isn't exactly something to be proud of. Are you implying you're an avarage/ standard botter, or professional botter?

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Better than the botters in this thread!
Higher standards. More respect for peers. Better ethics.

I'm a better person than someone who cheats in online games. People who cheat are pathetic wastes of server data.

Sorry!

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

People need to understand


Botting is NOT a byproduct of the state of a game

botting is because people are cheaters and would do it regardless of what game it is

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This is absolutely 100% wrong and I cannot stress that enough.

But back to more important matters...

Peregrine's bot is currently coming up with another stupid response now.

Edit: There it goes! That was fast. So automated and efficient.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

People need to understand


Botting is NOT a byproduct of the state of a game

botting is because people are cheaters and would do it regardless of what game it is

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I agree, some people will cheat in any game.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

When we ban your ass, you won't bot any more either, right? I mean your desire, at that point, becomes "Not our problem."
Hey I'll take the action that doesn't depend on YOUR subjective assessment of the quality of the activity any day.

So...ban em. It's not the game's fault. They're scum players.

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I dont care who you or SE bans, the game isn't fun enough to botters to miss playing once banned.

Remember, they are botting because the game is boring.

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Originally Posted by bsphil

Don't be silly. It's not like there's a hard border between those who will always bot and those who never will. There is a full spectrum of gray between each endpoint, and the more boring and tedious the task is, the more people are encouraged to give in and bot to avoid all that boring busywork.

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Anyone who steps across that line needs a suspension. The people who have been botting since November need bans.
Your sad arguments have been tried and tried by thugs all over the world. Doesn't work. You did the crime. You are to blame. Don't blame society. You did it.

ITT: People unable to look at the both sides of the argument objectively before breathing out of the mouth.

Another bot response has gone off!

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Originally Posted by Crica

I dont care who you or SE bans, the game isn't fun enough to botters to miss playing once banned.

Remember, they are botting because the game is boring.

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No, they are botting because they lack integrity and ethics. It's not the game. it's them.

It's you who is botting.

Can you tell me where you got yours?

in regards to what Eva posted before he deleted his own post

players not knowing their jobs doesnt make them bots
it could also be one of MANy other things

Take quarter man on Besaid

he didnt know how to play cuz he bought his account(he was in my shell when it happened til we booted him for it)
he was clueless

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

No, they are botting because they lack integrity and ethics. It's not the game. it's them.

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Sorry, you are wrong.

If crafting was fun w/o botting, why would they bot?

They would be crafting w/o botting because they would have fun crafting w/o botting.

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Originally Posted by Crica

Sorry, you are wrong.

If crafting was fun, why would they bot?

The would be crafting w/o a bot because they would have fun.

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Lol you try that in any court of law. They will laugh their asses off at you.
I guess only on the self-entitled internet is piracy and botting a consequence of the quality of the media.

You all are a hoot. Really. Quaint. I love the logic.

I see a bunch of ethically bankrupt players blaming the game for their pathetic choices.
Sorry. It's not the game's fault we look down on you all.

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Originally Posted by Crica

Sorry, you are wrong.

If crafting was fun w/o botting, why would they bot?

The would be crafting w/o botting because they would have fun crafting w/o botting.

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As someone else stated. Some people will bot regardless. But I agree completely that the state of crafting/gathering classes currently pushes people in the middle towards automating remedial tasks.

Did you know Peregrine also BUYS all his music?

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Originally Posted by Crica

Sorry, you are wrong.

If crafting was fun w/o botting, why would they bot?

They would be crafting w/o botting because they would have fun crafting w/o botting.

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if people dont have fun, then why are they playing

people bot, cuz they are cheaters
people dont bot because of the game

thats why TONS of people bot in EVERY mmo out there
this isnt a single instance solely happening in 14

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Lol you try that in any court of law. They will laugh their asses off at you.
I guess only on the self-entitled internet is piracy and botting a consequence of the quality of the media.

You all are a hoot. Really. Quaint. I love the logic.

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I was asking about your logic, not laws.

Logic says - if crafting was fun w/o botting, the majority of players would craft w/o botting because it's fun.

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Originally Posted by Kurokikaze

As someone else stated. Some people will bot regardless. But I agree completely that the state of crafting/gathering classes currently pushes people in the middle towards automating remedial tasks.

Did you know Peregrine also BUYS all his music?

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I do buy all my music. I buy all my games. I own every copy of media that I posess.
I'm sure you don't.

Does that make me better than you?
Uhyeah.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

thats why TONS of people bot in EVERY mmo out there
this isnt a single instance solely happening in 14

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You're right. It's not isolated solely to 14. But its the one where its the most rampant and theres good *** reason for it.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

if people dont have fun, then why are they playing

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They bot crafting because its boring.

Then they play the parts of the game w/o bots that are not boring.

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Originally Posted by Crica

Sorry, you are wrong.

If crafting was fun w/o botting, why would they bot?

The would be crafting w/o botting because they would have fun crafting w/o botting.

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Some people don't have fun, simply because they are different to a person who does have fun. Not everyone will have the same idea of "fun".

Some people will just cheat because they can get away with it and it's easy to do.

I know you're trying to get your point across to this person but trying to get a point across to Peregrine is like smashing your face in to a brick wall, or in other words fruitless.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

I do buy all my music. I buy all my games. I own every copy of media that I posess.
I'm sure you don't.

Does that make me better than you?
Uhyeah.

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