Dont kill the lambs!

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Parties are generally but not always available. Being in a party is a key part of making the mass murder worth it- otherwise you are just maybe getting some kills at a rate entirely not worth it compared to getting the FATE to the next phases.

Though some classes are far better at getting claims than others and if you have the right class and desire to fight the claim wars you can make it solo. Only with the right class abilities and desire to fight everyone else for it. . Just getting the FATE end vs fighting full parties would be much easier lol.



The DD bosses die really fast too, so you want to be in the area when that FATE finishes - which you can't tell for sure from the timer since someone else could be killing lambs unless you are in the area (not going away as some people would suggest you to do). XD

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To the first part.

So just because you couldn't get into a party/solo it to get the mass exp, no one else should get it either?

At least that is how it sounds like.

Second part:

There is like a gap of 30-45 sec after Phase 1 and 2, so as long as you are in the general area, you should be able to make it in time.

Oh ya last point, Good job guys blisting those people!!! It is an epic use of your time and energy! Now they can do it with out you knowing because you blisted them, now they don't have to deal with you because you won't know they are doing it! Its a brilliant solution that fixes any problem!!! Person does the FATE as intended, he/she can now continue to do FATE as INTENDED!!! YAY for impatient selfish arrogance!!!

The best I have seen is someone shouting to get paid , don't remember the number maybe 50k or more or else he will kill the lambs.

I actually wanted to high five the guy XD

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Originally Posted by Xmbei

No, anyone killing the sheep is not the problem! Damn guys read the Fate objectives so people do the objectives.

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Did you even read the persons post before going on trying to defend that person?

' the way people are acting towards that fate makes me want to make some lamb curry, for great justice.'

that type of mind set is no better the the people whining about the normal people doing the fate. Kal just pointed out part of the issue of what i was saying doing it just to troll people.

I'm starting to think, thanks to this OP and her selfish behavior of rather then moving to a different zone to do FATE's she trolled DD and then came here crying when half the server blacklisted her and sent her nasty tells - is that maybe SE needs to sit down and take a look at how some of these FATE's are ran and maybe do something about it to stop this childish behavior on both ends. This is not me agreeing with the OP one bit. In fact, if half the server blacklisted her for trolling DD, then she got what was coming to her. The /tells were uncalled for yes, but the blacklisting, no. She could have just as easy went to different zone and different FATE's over going to DD where by now she should have known how people like to do that FATE rather then make half the zone mad at her and thus leading to this - where OP is only starting more fights and more raging among people.
This game has been out for what 4 weeks now? OP should know by now how people like to run that FATE and what happens when people like her just up and kill the lambs. It doesn't matter if the OP agrees with it or not. Anyone out there running that FATE at that time does care about that little bit of xp gain and will outnumber that 1-2 person who is killing lambs and she should have been more respectful about it.
Again, she got what was coming to her when it comes to blisting and if the /tells were that bad then the OP should have reported them people, not came here crying about it only to start more fighting among people.

At this point I think the Fate should just be removed since people that farm it want to blist and go crazy over it and the fact it seems like people on here need to turn into self righteous tards because someone is leveling a way they don't like and need to make people upset over it.

Wait, so the majority of respondents here are siding WITH the people who harassed the poor OP? For doing content as instructed, as designed?

Are all of you entitled kids under 17? For crying out loud, get over it.

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Originally Posted by Issac

Wait, so the majority of respondents here are siding WITH the people who harassed the poor OP? For doing content as instructed, as designed?

Are all of you entitled kids under 17? For crying out loud, get over it.

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People should agree with a OP that then goes and post things like this?

"but because of what garbage people spewed out just because of one fate, be sure ill get people to go kill the lambs now."

But yes throwing around the word entitled and calling people kids is always a wonderful thing right?

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Originally Posted by Issac

Wait, so the majority of respondents here are siding WITH the people who harassed the poor OP? For doing content as instructed, as designed?

Are all of you entitled kids under 17? For crying out loud, get over it.

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I'm not no. If you mistaken my post for that, you may wanna re-read it. I did say the /tells were uncalled for and that if it was that bad the OP should have reported them people for the harassment rather then coming here to start more fighting among people. But if she was blacklisted, that not harassment in one bit, that what she gets. If people were /sh not to kill the lambs then she should have not killed them, thus since she did, she deserves to be blacklisted by the people who asked "nicely" (I'm sure there was a few people who did) to stop killing them.

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Originally Posted by GiseleValkyrie

People should agree with a OP that then goes and post things like this?

"but because of what garbage people spewed out just because of one fate, be sure ill get people to go kill the lambs now."

But yes throwing around the word entitled and calling people kids is always a wonderful thing right?

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Dunno about you, but I will continue to complete FATE objectives no matter where they are.

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Originally Posted by Issac

Dunno about you, but I will continue to complete FATE objectives no matter where they are.

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Ok and that's fine Just don't try and run in there acting like a troll when doing so simple you can complete a fate without being a jerk about it. Its not that hard.

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Originally Posted by GiseleValkyrie

Ok and that's fine Just don't try and run in there acting like a troll when doing so simple you can complete a fate without being a jerk about it. Its not that hard.

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If I see a FATE, and said FATE has a progress bar to fulfill by completing objectives in said FATE, I will do so. If people shout and /tell me, harassing me for doing content as designed, I will ignore them and continue doing so.

Anyone who has a problem with me playing the game this way, ofw.

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Originally Posted by Kal-El

And then killed the lambs.

That's a bit out of order really.

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Maybe, but its still pretty funny.

Would love to see some of that in screenshots xD (sorry, after running through the area as a miner and seeing people shouting: "DON'T KILL THE LAMBS FU***** RET***S!!" I have zero sympathy for FateHerder problems.)

Again you are telling me this because? I Just said its not that hard to do a fate without being a jerk something that can be said to alot of people here who seem to be offended a fate is being done a way they don't care for MMO's are SP games.

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Originally Posted by GiseleValkyrie

Again you are telling me this because? I Just said its not that hard to do a fate without being a jerk something that can be said to alot of people here who seem to be offended a fate is being done a way they don't care for MMO's are SP games.

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I don't think you and I are on the same page, because now you just have me confused with your comments.

This is exactly why I think FATEs as they are designed are poor for this game's community in a variety of ways. In truth, not only poor but encourages toxic behavior.

The reason being is the current crop of MMO players are so keen in getting to the holy "end game" that they will find the shortest path from A to B to do it. They will find any minute boost in XP/hour, any exploit (in whatever definition you want to use for it), any method if it means they can be level capped sooner. These sorts of people are bad for a game.

FATEs, as currently designed, look at this behavior and not only condone it but encourage it. They are a loud, screen covering scream that SE wants you to rush rush rush. And the wave of people rushing from one to another shows that design in action.

But what do people who do these FATE farming activities actually learn? To mindlessly spam AEs on as many mobs as possible in as huge a group as possible to get as much XP as possible in as short a time as possible.

They do not learn how to play their class. They do not learn how to actually play with other people because in truth, you don't require co-ordination for the vast majority of the FATE events if you can bring enough people to zerg it.

People wonder why you see horrible DPS in dungeons who don't handle mechanics well. People wonder why you see awful healers who would rather DPS the boss than heal the tank. People wonder why you see tanks who'll only focus on pounding one enemy instead of ensuring they have hate on everything and are mindful of the area. People wonder why you see level 50s with level 20 gear.

FATEs are why.

SE has given the lazy player an avenue to get where they want at the expense of the rest of the community. And forum Mods saying that this farming of the DD event is "working as intended" is SE saying that they're okay with players being poor. Players being caustic.

So you know what? If I see this FATE I will kill the lambs, as the FATE objectives indicate. I normally avoid FATEs, despite some of them looking like they would be fun (Svara for example I'd love to do, but not when trivialized by a bazillion people zerg rushing it) but for this one I will purposefully stop what I'm doing to make sure I complete the indicated objectives.

How can this sort of thing be stopped? How it can be made fair for everyone involved in the FATE? Enforce a manual entrance into the FATE so it can account for each type of archetype involved. So it can scale based on healers, tanks and DPS entered. So it can credit a healer for actually healing as their role is defined instead of DPSing a boss.

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Originally Posted by GiseleValkyrie

Aka you want to be part of a problem? ok

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There is a lot of injustice in this world, and the little people get crushed under the wheels of progress by a mindless uncaring populace. All you care about is you, you, you and your homies and just like the whole same sex marriage topic that no one would have an issue with if people laid low on it, this whole thread has probably drawn the roving eye of many people, lovers and haters alike. I'm still level 40 so I'm no danger yet, but I have a feeling that after this thread these lambs will come across the greatest crisis they have ever faced.

Thier true fight for survival begins today, I would not want to be in thier shoes. (if I find out they drop fleece though the moment I hit 48 I'll slaugher them with wild abandon)

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Originally Posted by Caraway

People wonder why you see horrible DPS in dungeons who don't handle mechanics well. People wonder why you see awful healers who would rather DPS the boss than heal the tank. People wonder why you see tanks who'll only focus on pounding one enemy instead of ensuring they have hate on everything and are mindful of the area. People wonder why you see level 50s with level 20 gear.

FATEs are why.

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This pretty much sums up I and many of my friend's feelings on Fates as are. Sure, quick leveling, yay! That's good for everyone, right? But what about people who are new? What about people who have just main story dungeon experience and no more? They didn't learn how to play in a party doing Fates, surely.


Many people here would defend this fast pace and call the people that can't figure out how to play 'too stupid anyway', but that's just the problem. These same people get mixed up together in Duty Finder and we end up with threads upon threads about bad duty finder experiences, with either 'elitists' or 'people who don't know how to play' as the root of the topic. I suggest that SE add more content to teach folks how to play together, and pretty much force it on them. The few dungeons in the beginning aren't enough, your skills and party roles really don't become too important until later in places like Brayflox, and that's a one-hit wonder for most people just the same as the first.

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Originally Posted by Psychosamm

DD is the best Fate for getting EXP, don't be such an entitled brat, you ending it early is hurting a ton of people that wait around that area just for DD to pop up. If you want to farm seals there are a ton of other places to farm it. Don't be selfish.

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And on the same coin, plenty of other places to farm for EXP as well :T

DD is the best Fate for getting EXP, don't be such an entitled brat, you ending it early is hurting a ton of people that wait around that area just for DD to pop up. If you want to farm seals there are a ton of other places to farm it. Don't be selfish.

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Originally Posted by Amyas

And on the same coin, plenty of other places to farm for EXP as well :T

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I'd really like to hear where else you can get over 100k in exp doing a FATE. There's no reason to purposefully make people's lives harder. Just say "oh ok" and farm elsewhere for seals. It's not hard to be considerate of others.

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Originally Posted by Psychosamm

I'd really like to hear where else you can get over 100k in exp doing a FATE. There's no reason to purposefully make people's lives harder. Just say "oh ok" and farm elsewhere for seals. It's not hard to be considerate of others.

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On what time scale do you earn that 100k? the entire time of the fate, 15 mins or so? You could get almost that much in that amount of time just running around doing Fates normal like, if that's true.

I'm pretty sure most people doing the fates are doing it for the xp too, why should they have to simply not do it because people want to take advantage of it? That's like me saying "I missed out on an Odin kill earlier today on my server, they should have waited for me and not killed him so fast!" (I really did miss out on it too, I'm sure people were too focused on killing it than saying the coordinates... >.> Dammit. But its almost the exact same type of situation, and it would be ridiculous of me to complain and say 'don't be selfish, you shouldn't have killed it so fast!'.)

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Originally Posted by Amyas

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No you cannot get the same exp from doing 15 minutes of other fates, not even close. I'm guessing you haven't even done much fate grinding... If they're in it for the EXP it would vastly benefit then to just stay there and farm the FATE like everyone else. This is ONE Fate that people do this for, is it so awful to ask for people to not screw it up? Is it so selfish to want people to do other fates instead of DD to get seals quickly? No it's not. Everyone seems do do everything their way and not give one shit about how it effects anyone else. This is the mindset that is making so many toxic players. Maybe if people thought about being considerate of others instead of being selfish maybe this game would be a nicer place to play.
As for your Odin example people not saying coordinates is not nearly the same as people purposefully ending DD prematurely, not even remotely a good comparison.

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Originally Posted by ErBear

I dont wanna stand around 15mins spamming aoe on mobs, that's not fun, I just wanted to get my exp and get out of there.

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This part gives me headache.

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Originally Posted by ErBear

I can get over 80k exp in that fate, there are 3 parts each a different fate. 20k for the first 20k for the second and 40k for the last part. I can easily miss the last parts because they last a minute literally, there I missed 60k exp just because you tell me to go to a different fate after I do my damage. I'm sorry but who are you to decide I'm wrong or anyone else that just wants to do the fate and get out?

My main thing is WHO CARES IF THE FATE ENDS, DONT TREAT PEOPLE LIKE GARBAGE OVER SOME STUPID EXP! seriously had a few people that told me to go kill myself and worse. Trolls dont just become, they are made.

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I don't know what DD you are doing but part one is like 5k, two is like 10k and three is 19k. If it is farmed than yes you get 100k.

You realize you get WAY WAY more exp grinding those mobs than the actual fate right? If your in a group....

I've gotten as much as 200,000 exp doing that fate from grinding mobs + Golds....

Also, to anyone who says it's an exploit, SE already responded to that and said "Working as intended"

So yeah, kill the lambs, Get Black Listed by your whole 40-49 server.

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Originally Posted by Moheeheeko

I kill lambs as soon as I can, just to hear the delicious white hot rage of fate spammers.

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Originally Posted by Bruiser_Cruiser

Please someone tell me where this fate spawns. Me and my chocobo will wreck that lamb. Let the raging commence!

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Let me join, pretty pleaseeee?

That fate is the epitome of bad game design. There is no way around it; when people are encouraged to not do the mission objective, then the mission itself is flawed. It may be working as intended, but when the whole mission is a complete game design flaw, the intention do not matter, it is still massively flawed.

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Originally Posted by Psychosamm

I'd really like to hear where else you can get over 100k in exp doing a FATE. There's no reason to purposefully make people's lives harder. Just say "oh ok" and farm elsewhere for seals. It's not hard to be considerate of others.

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Most fates are over in under 1 minute, if you net gold from each fate with a consistent supply then in 15 minutes you earn 150k XP, let's take 1/3rd of the time as travelling/waiting for fates to pop, that's.... 100k XP. Heck, add in all 3 stages of DD on to that and it's over 100k XP.

Also, your use of the word entitled is vexing, surely you go to other fates and complete them as quick as possible, so you cannot claim people are entitled for doing the same thing that you do in every other Fate in the game simply because of your desires, it is you that is attempting to be entitled, not the person who are working within the design specification of the quest.

It's similar to those turn-in fates, when ppl get enough of their quota (ea 7 pieces of item required), they just selfishly turn them in right away, and don't give a shiet if anyone else might be struggling to get some more pieces. Then they just run back to town & wait cause there's no other fates going on.


However I can understand that much cause you can't ask ppl to think for someone else, but to do it on purpose while clearly know they're affecting others is just retarded. What do you expect ppl to react when you punch them in the face in the first place? If you're mature enough, you would just stand around DD & tag some mobs, wait for the time to end (it's not that long, considering there's no other fates on the map), then join in & finish 3 phases. Fates are supposed to be done together, in a way those ppl are helping you completing phase 2 & 3, so let them do what they want on phase 1. This is for those who think they have the rights to play the game their way. As for the other retards who just kill lambs to see ppl rage, I hope you do realize you're the toxic part of the community...
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I think you may be missing the point AsakuraVN, people are not raging because people are doing it to make them rage, they are raging if anyone goes for the lambs, they want no one to touch the lambs for the entire duration and if anyone does and doesn't stop, they are quite mean. That is the toxicity of the entire DD run, and yes, because people rage so much about it, it does create an incentive for people who like to "troll" to actually go kill the lambs. Catch 22.

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Originally Posted by ErBear

I can get over 80k exp in that fate, there are 3 parts each a different fate. 20k for the first 20k for the second and 40k for the last part. I can easily miss the last parts because they last a minute literally, there I missed 60k exp just because you tell me to go to a different fate after I do my damage. I'm sorry but who are you to decide I'm wrong or anyone else that just wants to do the fate and get out?

My main thing is WHO CARES IF THE FATE ENDS, DONT TREAT PEOPLE LIKE GARBAGE OVER SOME STUPID EXP! seriously had a few people that told me to go kill myself and worse. Trolls dont just become, they are made.

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So it's ok when you're inconveniencing them but not when they're inconveniencing you?

Who are you to decide the people who want to get the full exp and not kill the lambs right away are wrong? Who are you to decide that your time is more precious than theirs, that your rush to get to the next fate is more important or better or somehow not just as selfish on your part as their desire for extra exp?

(By the way, if people did tell you to kill yourself or worse, report them for harassment immediately. THAT behavior, regardless of context, is not acceptable in any community, online or off.)

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Originally Posted by ashikenshin

wow that's sad. I actually feel bad for the people in that guild, not one adult in there.

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No different than the people crying like children that they don't get an easy 100K exp for standing in one spot killing the same mobs over and over.

I'm more sad that the devs haven't done something to FATEs like that. As I said, from a design perspective that literally screams "not intended". My gut's telling me the whole "we don't think this is an exploit" thing is the devs not wanting to piss off the people who use it as their source of exp. Which doesn't really make sense unless they're seeing the majority of the players in-game use that as a means of filling the 44-50 gap in leveling content.

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Originally Posted by rabbitzero

They will never know who is killing the lambs. It's funny, i've seen people rage when a stray aggro pulls one into the aoe fest, and they just assume it's someone killing them, even though no one is even doing it. I would laugh really hard if Square secretly patched in some lambs being linked to the ones aoed, so you pull them, you pull lambs.

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That would actually be a clever solution.

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Originally Posted by AsakuraVN

As for the other retards who just kill lambs to see ppl rage, I hope you do realize you're the toxic part of the community...
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Ask yourself, if those "non toxic' people you go on about just having a good time farming thier fate for 15 minutes didn't flip thier wig the moment they saw someone go near to the lambs and start calling people names, why would anyone kill the lambs? By yelling at people who might be new or just don't know better you yourself are the ones who started the propagation of the toxic enviroment in your tunneled vision to hit 50 as fast as you can. If you guys didn't freak out and start flinging insults, no one would be trying to troll you for the reaction they get out of your sweet tears when someone kills the lambs.

It simple if looking for seals there hundreds of other fates you can do faster, and get the same amount of seals. It just that DD one of the only fates were the entire server groups can get the 250k exp.

The amount of rage, name calling, and finger pointing in this thread is amazing.

i dont agree with people getting mad over it but you do lose alot of exp a total of 80k just for doing the fate and then if your in a fate party then you can get your chain very high highest iv seen is chain of 70 and you get all that exp one run of the fate got me over 135k exp for 15 minutes of work thats more and one hour of fate grinding and i understand you want to hurry things up and thats fine just know that how sad it may be you will become hated alot of people take this stuff very seriously and it sucks but thats just how it is

I can't stand spamfest (FATE). I rarely do FATE unless it literally pops on me as I'm in lvl range. So I am unfamiliar with the "lamb" one can someone enlighten me? Zone? Name of FATE?

I think what this thread has shown is.... Fates need to be reworked and redone. Each side is right but how flawed the design is, makes it worse for the community at a whole. Because really, this topic shouldn't even be here if they were done properly.

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Originally Posted by Lafaiel

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So, if someone in the group of ppl who grinding say something bad on shout, the trolls would automatically be granted the right to be a righteous retard and troll the rest? Ofcourse Im not saying those who use curse words are good either, but to me the trolls are no different than them, considering how many ppl in here want to kill the lambs just for the same reason of pissing ppl off...

And btw... this game is designed for casuals to get to 50 in a week, it's their right to play how they want as long as they don't affect the others.
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Originally Posted by AsakuraVN

And btw... this game is designed for casuals to get to 50 in a week, it's their right to play how they want period.

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Fixed it for you. Devs said working as intended, either way. The rights of one person to finish a mission and move on doesn't stop just because 50 or 500 people want to take advantage of the Fate.

Camate have said is work as intended, when is clearly not the case, getting 100-200k exp for 13 minute of fight, i'm sorry is not normal.
the repop of the lamb people kill are far faster than normal, you can get chain exp outrageous because of this.

seriously i still don't understand how they have said it work as intended...
and before troll come here and flame me....

Find me anywhere in the game where you can get between 100-200k exp in 13 minutes! nowhere outside this FATE.

ps: some people have got 250.000exp, it's rare but possible.