Cooking shard costs, 30 minute duration, fading on death.

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

People currently don't use food because food effects are simply too weak AND completely unnecessary to clear content.

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I don't know about you but I quite like having +20 control to my level 50 crafter when I am crafting Level 55-70 items.
I never use food during battle because I know that I may wipe and makes me feel like I've wasted all my foods. With the new setting I'd be more inclined to use foods from now on.

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Originally Posted by KittenStomper

hmm.. well this is going to drive the price of food down.

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Food becomes less useless during dungeons → more people want to actually buy food → food prices go UP because it's more in demand.
Why in the world would it go down? Because suddenly everyone is gonna be a culinarian and make tons of food?

Boo. I like that you lose food effects upon death. One of the only reasons to not die left honestly... In fights where I might die I eat cheap food while learning and the more spendy stuff when we start doing better.

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

I don't know about you but I quite like having +20 control to my level 50 crafter when I am crafting Level 55-70 items.
I never use food during battle because I know that I may wipe and makes me feel like I've wasted all my foods. With the new setting I'd be more inclined to use foods from now on.

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I say that food has a negligible effect in battle and your counterargument is that its good for crafting?

This will be an excellent addition. I don't have to worry about making insane amounts of food to account for deaths and just think of it as 20 pieces of food = 10 hrs of game time.

Food is like an extra gear slot. Look at HQ buttons in a blanket

+16 DET
+15 VIT
+10 CRIT

HQ Deviled eggs

+24 CRIT
+14 VIT
+10 ACC

significant boost.

I agree that clusters for 2 star food is dumb

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Originally Posted by zdub303

Very likely the opposite I suspect. Currently nobody uses food

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No one in XI/XIV 1.x refused to use food cuz of loss on death (K.O), those that didn't just decided they didn't want to do the best they can. It will drive the prices way down because it will be flooded, which is good and bad.

You all do know it's not death, right? You're knocked out. semantics I guess.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Greetings,

We are currently working on adjustments for patch 2.1 to make it so food effects do not wear off when you are KOed.

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This is completely stupid. SE can you please stop doing everything that people begin to cry about.
You have to stop dumbing down every aspect of this game, all it's doing is hurting the game in the long run.

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Originally Posted by tou

This is completely stupid. SE can you please stop doing everything that people begin to cry about.
You have to stop dumbing down every aspect of this game, all it's doing is hurting the game in the long run.

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This isn't stupid at all, blows my mind that you would even consider this a bad change.

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Originally Posted by EzriNuru

This isn't stupid at all, blows my mind that you would even consider this a bad change.

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Agreed, I think it will be well balanced for the cost. It's still only 30m and so it's still a consumable, but now I can pop em in dungeons and raids and know I'm set for the next 30m. I will be using food ALOT more after this change.

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Originally Posted by EzriNuru

This isn't stupid at all, blows my mind that you would even consider this a bad change.

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With the buff staying on now, it doesn't promote more people to buy it still. Same people will still use it and those who don't feel food buffs aren't worth buying it will still not buy it. Those two consumer markets will not change. The people who say that they will buy it if it doesn't fade at KO, probably already buy it to some degree if they know that getting KO'd doesn't makes the buff wear off.

Now that there is no longer a need to buy extra food incase you get KO'd, the market for culinary actually drops. Instead of buy 10-20 for 3 hours of raiding, you buy 6. You can see a substantial number change. You would need nearly 2-3 more consumers to bring those numbers just back up to the original numbers.

However, if SE is indeed making it so, than it means they must have other plans for culinary in 2.1 in order to be able to compete in the market. Atleast, I assume.

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

I say that food has a negligible effect in battle and your counterargument is that its good for crafting?

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Come back when you're doing Coil.. it can make a huge difference in the later turns if you're using two-star HQ food.

Personally I think this is a positive change and that the market will adjust accordingly based on it.

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Originally Posted by Pyretta_Blaze

Boo. I like that you lose food effects upon death. One of the only reasons to not die left honestly... In fights where I might die I eat cheap food while learning and the more spendy stuff when we start doing better.

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What? lol Saving your food isn't the reason you should be avoiding death. I agree with using cheaper food while learning, then swapping to 'real' food later though.

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

I say that food has a negligible effect in battle and your counterargument is that its good for crafting?

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I suppose ignorance is a good reason to think food has a negligible effect in battle. Right now, due to my lack of luck with Allagan pieces, I'm exactly 22 points below Accuracy cap on my SMN (and likewise, my HP isn't great, sitting at 4K solo). With HQ Stuffed Cabbages, I'm sitting perfectly on the Accuracy cap, plus I'm also gaining 13 Vitality, which is 188 HP for me. That, plus the tank Vitality buff puts me at a comfortable ~4350 HP. Considering the very real (and strict) health requirements for Turn 5, food can truly be the case of you either being ready for Turn 5 attempts, or not. Not to mention that Crit is arguably the best stat right now, so I get a nice boost of that.

I do like this change though. I kinda like the idea someone else had where each death knocks off 10 minutes or so.

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Originally Posted by Ruethryl

Come back when you're doing Coil.. it can make a huge difference in the later turns if you're using two-star HQ food.

Personally I think this is a positive change and that the market will adjust accordingly based on it.

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2-star food has really low percentage values. We currently do not have the stats to actually achieve the maximum points possible per food. I would re-evaluate what you're eating so you don't waste your money, or materials.

True but you're still getting the benefits of the higher percentages.. nudges can help smooth things out a little bit sometimes. ^^

And with farming mats for food, not really wasting money per say.

I really would have rather seen them change the serving amount to food, rather then them change it vanishing upon death. It just makes more sense.

Think about it. When you are going to make a meal, you have a shopping list which usually consists of multiple items to make the meal. When you are done making this meal, how many times does it actually equate to one serving of food? I know when I make enchiladas in real life, it takes about 4 hours to do everything the right way (chopping the vegetables myself instead of buying canned, etc.) and I sure as hell didn't spend all that time to make 2 enchiladas!! I make like 16-20 of them and have them for days!

I guess I like they did something with it, though.


I was really bored at work and read through this entire thread... all I want to really argue here is the people saying you can't farm 1000 shards in an hr. You are wrong. Maximize your routes and use wards on +1 gathering attempt nodes. "Sprinting on long and running on short" isn't the right way to go sometimes. How about skipping the 4th node so you respawn with the +1 gathering attempt node more often? Sprint long, mount when out of sprint? I have timed myself because I was curious and I can get 100 shards in about 6-7 minutes and I play on PS3. There is no reason a PC player, or anyone for that matter, can't get 1000 shards in an hour. If you can't, you aren't maximizing your routes. Not trying to be rude at all.

Just my 2gil.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Greetings,

We are currently working on adjustments for patch 2.1 to make it so food effects do not wear off when you are KOed.

We understand that there have been a lot of feedback asking for longer effect durations or higher stats when considering the materials needed for high level recipes, but we’d first like to monitor the situation with the planned adjustments.

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Just fix shards.
I'm logged out right now with everything I need to make some Woolen Smocks for a turn in that has a Vintage Coif, component reward. Fleece: Check, Lanolin: Check, Linen: Check. Wind Shards? Not so much.

I'm not doing it for the gil, I'm capped on 50 weaver. I don't even need a below cap Vintage Coif with perception. I make them because they are there. Or I would if I didn't need to farm shards for hours on end.

Oh, good. I might actually start to use food after 2.1.

If it weren't for crafting purposes, I'd probably never use food. I'm glad we're getting a reason to do so, as this should help the food economy.

In FFXI, eating food had a large influence/increase on your stats, and you were seeing immediate results in your damage dealing. Of course, FFXI in itself was more intense and non-forgiving when it came to battles, and enforced a more strict strategy-based playstyle. Perhaps that is why food there makes more of a difference to parties. In any event, I don't see this as a "dumbing down" of the game -- more like a common sense adjustment to a glaring issue when it comes to the under-usage of a fraction of the crafting market.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Greetings,

We are currently working on adjustments for patch 2.1 to make it so food effects do not wear off when you are KOed.

We understand that there have been a lot of feedback asking for longer effect durations or higher stats when considering the materials needed for high level recipes, but we’d first like to monitor the situation with the planned adjustments.

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Oh, good. Now the already nonexistent consequences for dieing are even lower.

Did anyone not know that it is true that when you do die, you crap your pants? That's why the food effect goes away after being KO'ed. (trying to interject South Park humor to the thread)

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Originally Posted by KittenStomper

hmm.. well this is going to drive the price of food down.

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Up not down.... as is i don't use food if the chance of death exists, if i can die and have fod on i will use more of it. Expect food cost to double.

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

Up not down.... as is i don't use food if the chance of death exists, if i can die and have fod on i will use more of it. Expect food cost to double.

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Down. Higher demand with high supply won't automatically mean higher prices, especially with how people love to undercut everyone to the point of market crash. Usually prices go up when there's high demand but not enough supply so the few who can supply can make a killing.

There's been a flood of Tome mats due to WP being a good source and I can promise you it didn't drive prices up. So if you see 230 stacks of Raptor Stew, it's not going to be high priced.

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Originally Posted by Ruethryl

Come back when you're doing Coil.. it can make a huge difference in the later turns if you're using two-star HQ food.

Personally I think this is a positive change and that the market will adjust accordingly based on it.

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Do some basic math and you will see 2 star HQ food is completely pointless with our stat levels right now.

Best news of the day

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Originally Posted by Thane

I suppose ignorance is a good reason to think food has a negligible effect in battle. Right now, due to my lack of luck with Allagan pieces, I'm exactly 22 points below Accuracy cap on my SMN (and likewise, my HP isn't great, sitting at 4K solo). With HQ Stuffed Cabbages, I'm sitting perfectly on the Accuracy cap, plus I'm also gaining 13 Vitality, which is 188 HP for me. That, plus the tank Vitality buff puts me at a comfortable ~4350 HP. Considering the very real (and strict) health requirements for Turn 5, food can truly be the case of you either being ready for Turn 5 attempts, or not. Not to mention that Crit is arguably the best stat right now, so I get a nice boost of that.

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So the argument now is that food is good because its useful for the last turn of coil? 1/5th of a raid? The only part where it makes a notable difference in the whole game?

Most of the FC's I know that run coil all use food. They don't buy a ton of food however due to wipes. Its the opposite. Because of wipes, they buy what's necessary. Usually a stack of ten per player. If they run out, they don't go back out to buy more. It'd be too expensive.

Even in FFXI and WoW you had people saying using consumables are useless. While the rest of the endgame community ends up using it, leaving those who are too cheap to min/max to call the ladder all elitists. Regardless of what you might think, people do use food. If they don't, then all the people purchasing it in the purchase history ESPECIALLY on mondays must be buying it up to have BBQs. And its never the same person buying 'multiple' stacks either.

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

So the argument now is that food is good because its useful for the last turn of coil? 1/5th of a raid? The only part where it makes a notable difference in the whole game?

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Seriously dude? The stats are a nice bonus. Look at the stats they give. It's like eating 5 teir IV materia. If you're saying food is useless, Might as well be under geared. Ever do Keep in AF gear and non relic? It's a bit harder right? It's doable yes but do you want to keep going in like that? Then you get your DL and Relic and do it again. It goes much smoother and faster.

I don't really use much food but more HP, hitting harder with more crits. MMMMM squeezing out those numbers..

Dont see why this was done... while yes it costs a small amount of gil, theres no other buff that lasts past death, and a lot of them are a lot weaker than food buffs. Would have been a bit better if they had just made this a bonus of HQ foods or something.

The average player is not using food, because it's not worth it.
If you make food like Flasks in other popular mmos that will remain nameless then food goes from 'eh that's ok' to 'mandatory raid consumable, aka FLASK'

See?
MASSIVE influx of buying I predict cooks will finally actually make money.

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Originally Posted by ForteXX

Dont see why this was done... while yes it costs a small amount of gil, theres no other buff that lasts past death, and a lot of them are a lot weaker than food buffs. Would have been a bit better if they had just made this a bonus of HQ foods or something.

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I agree it should be a bonus of HQ foods. As it stands, NQ foods sold by NPCs are just as good for most purpose except for endgame stuff.

It will make 2 star food worth crafting :D

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Originally Posted by Xystic

With the buff staying on now, it doesn't promote more people to buy it still.

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Don't underestimate the power of "peer pressure". People who don't eat are gimp, regardless of how minor the buff is.

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Originally Posted by tymora

Don't underestimate the power of "peer pressure". People who don't eat are gimp, regardless of how minor the buff is.

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Ridiculous hyperbole. I'd hardly call having a few stats less overall "gimped".

Food = very slight advantage. That slightness might matter in Coil, but anywhere elese it's negligible.

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Originally Posted by zakalw3

Ridiculous hyperbole. I'd hardly call having a few stats less overall "gimped".

Food = very slight advantage. That slightness might matter in Coil, but anywhere elese it's negligible.

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Advantages are advantages, raiders want every advantage they have.
In world of warcraft Flasks are mandatory to raid, they only provide about a 5% buff to damage, or for tanks they provide a tiny (around 3% total) hp increase.
Hardly important by your standards, yet MANDATORY.

This game did something truly great just now. They made Cooks a real job.

Thank you SE

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Greetings,

We are currently working on adjustments for patch 2.1 to make it so food effects do not wear off when you are KOed.

We understand that there have been a lot of feedback asking for longer effect durations or higher stats when considering the materials needed for high level recipes, but we’d first like to monitor the situation with the planned adjustments.

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So... dying... I heard its bad..

Apparently not anymore.

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Originally Posted by AylaYukihana

So... dying... I heard its bad..

Apparently not anymore.

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so... ko.... is death now

When food starts to persist through death, there will be a HARD CAP of food being used per a set amount of time. 1 food item per 1 player per 30 minutes. Seems so similar to the weekly myth cap. Once every player willing to use food does so, there is no reason for them to buy any more untill the ones they have wears off. Food market freezes for set time, crafters start to spam undercutting just like the RMT does. Not-best food will stop selling AT ALL.

Now its usually one food per wipe. Food market is defined by ppl wanting that slight boost for each wipe. Weaker when u have less success chance, stronger when success chance is higher.

Therefore instead of not removing the food buff on death, its duration should be reduced by set time per death, 5 minutes seems like a good idea.

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Originally Posted by EzriNuru

This isn't stupid at all, blows my mind that you would even consider this a bad change.

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Actually it is. Now the MB will be flooded with food but will also be undercutted drastically. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by Biohazard901

Actually it is. Now the MB will be flooded with food but will also be undercutted drastically. Oh well.

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or people will actualy start using it now and demand will rise

There shouldn't be any adjustments to material costs, however I think the 2-star food should have their %s buffed, at least to match that of lv45-49 food that gives the same effect. It makes no sense for 2-star food to give a LOWER buff percentage. On a full DL w/Relic monk, deviled eggs give better buffs than apkallu omelettes. You'd need like 600+ crit for the apkallu omelette to have a greater effect.

Letting food last after being downed will greatly increase the demand of food, though it will greatly cut the value, as well. Hopefully it will all even out in the end, but as a Culinarian, I am glad.

I don't understand why people think this won't make food more profitable when in all other MMOs(if you cared to look outside of Final Fantasy anything for just a minute), many of the economies thrive on consumables. I don't know if you've looked at wineport at ANY TIME of the day or night, but it's packed no matter what server you're on. Only a couple of those groups raid for 1hr and clear through turn 5. You have to think of all the other groups progressing still which takes up multiple days at 2 to 4 hour intervals. That's a lot of food to be consumed PER DAY. Also once the majority of the rest of the community realize food is a great "extra slot", food of all levels will start selling. You guys are shooting this down, thinking about yourself, before you could even see what good this could do.



Also, realistically, in order for that food to exit my body after every death... I must of had a bowel movement upon every death too... and that's just gross. 30 minutes seems like enough time to digest ^^.