Devs Want Behest Feedback

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Originally Posted by Ricepot

Another way to make behest fun is to chain(link) the behest spots. For example, have the Horizon behest group fight their way all the way to other Aetheryte Gate, and when time's up they can wait at that Aetheryte Gate (as example Nophicas' Gate) for another behest over there. The benefit for this is that each behest will be balanced and not crowed on only one spot.

I know each Aetherye Gate is made for different rank so if developer can create a way to make more behest spot for the chain this could be fun. Of course, mobs could be tougher and final boss could be more interesting....and uglier.

please, lock the rank of players in that behest like only allow R20-25 to that area, and R25-30 to another so the sp will not be messed up.

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It wouldn't even have to be to another Aetheryte Gate, as soon as the final behest monster fails, another Behest NPC shows up. "Thank Azeyma you're here! Monster's have started to attack <the closest Hamlet> and we need your help to repel the attack. Blah, blah, blah." Or any variety of other things.

It would be nice to earn non-gil awards from completing a Behest, possibly Behest faction points or currency, that could be used to purchase skills, bonuses for Behest, or allow you entry into special, instanced Behests, much like how faction points work with levequests.

I would like to see the behest mobs come at you in a vicious attack mode from different angles(making all mobs claimed of course) and have it like a defend the area scenario(but better then the crappy defend the area leves were the mobs take forever to spawn) and be kinda overwhelmed, making massive AOE attack possible and have tanking be more essential.

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Originally Posted by Ricepot

Another way to make behest fun is to chain(link) the behest spots. For example, have the Horizon behest group fight their way all the way to other Aetheryte Gate, and when time's up they can wait at that Aetheryte Gate (as example Nophicas' Gate) for another behest over there. The benefit for this is that each behest will be balanced and not crowed on only one spot.

I know each Aetherye Gate is made for different rank so if developer can create a way to make more behest spot for the chain this could be fun. Of course, mobs could be tougher and final boss could be more interesting....and uglier.

please, lock the rank of players in that behest like only allow R20-25 to that area, and R25-30 to another so the sp will not be messed up.

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you seem to of noticed the fail of the beginning of you post at the end when you realized bringing rank 20 players to a rank 30 area wouldn't be a good idea, especially since you want to cap the behest. Even without a cap you would still have crowded behest cause you'd have the people already at nophica and the people you just brought there. Also i suppose the people at nophica would be going to horizon only do rebalance out what had already started.

Oh well, you had an idea of your own and didn't choose to sit there and shoot down someone elses as i have, so thanks for that.

I just want to throw in another voice of support for the OP's (and many others') ideas, but especially this one:

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Auto-group everyone who accepts the behest into a party.
Too much time is wasted by people having to form their own party in a behest.

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As soon as you talk to the Battlewarden and get flagged for Behest, the system should auto-group you with anyone else flagged at camp. It has been especially apparent as of late, going back and leveling up some off jobs from 1-30, that many new players do not understand how Behest works and do not realize that it's better to group up. This is especially hard to convey when you're trying to explain it to someone who speaks another language. It would be so much nicer if Behest just auto-grouped participants!

The new Garlean troops behest-like event has been received fairly positively. Good start in adding variety to the world.

It can be improved upon, for sure, but it's a very good start.

After rerolling and levelling a new character as of 1.18, I had a few concerns about the lower level behest camps, mostly concerning the ratio of mobs vs # of participants.

I am finding that the majority of the lower level behest camps are very under used, mainly i believe this to be due to the lack of lower level people in the game currently and the game population as a whole.

I am almost always in behest all on my own and am finding due to the scaling of mobs per participants they arent yielding much SP rewards at all, im getting maybe 3-4 mobs + a boss or two at max, giving relatively small amounts of SP each, maybe 100-150 each, its not really a great way to level anymore for the 1-20 people at all due to the really low amounts of mobs because there are barely any participants at all and it is really restricting Behest. It makes for a very bland event as well when you can rush and complete it in about 2minutes solo, it'd be nice to have enough mobs for it to last longer and prolong the fun and excitement.

Really what im asking is if it is a valid option to increase the # of mobs in a behest for people who find themselves all on their own to make it a more valid option to partake in.
It'd be nice to give more of an incentive for people to do behest other than SP as well, maybe reward us with a special behest type currency to unlock extra encounters/craft materials/region themed specific gear or even aesthetic gear options such as monster costumes etc...

Making the gear specific to each region would give people the incntive to actually take part in behest outside of Ul'dah where the majority of the population is usually playing, which is another of my concerns, hardly anybody is doing anything outside of the Ul'dah areas where everybody seems to be centralising themselves, as much as i like the Ul'dah areas i'd rather not have to spend all of my time there as it gets rather bland and boring after a while.

I would also very much like to see a greater variety of mob types within behest, as well as making the bosses a little more dramatic, even for the lower levels it'd be nice for the boss to be a lower level beastman or something of the like, nothing too awesome, but i'd rather have a boss be something fearsome rather than a group of 3 rats or dodos.

Scrap it and make it into something other than a leve quest copypasta?

Remove the 1hour behest limit.

I also agree - remove the Behest Time limit. Also - implement more Beastmen/more challenging monsters as well as a harder "boss". At least make us earn the free exp. :)

Agreed with some points here:

• Autogroup behest parties
• Bring in beastmen to behests
• more vicious looking mobs befitting of a behest.
• Have variation in difficulty between mobs, some weaker, some more mini boss style
• Have the mobs spread out, so challenges lie in progression, also this gives more control.
• NM style final boss with minions.
• Have a horn sound prior to behest so people get aware and excited to jump in.
• Maybe have a few beastmen scout the camp intially and upon attack run back to hideout or ambush.
• Better suitable rewards, perhaps a point system that can be used to purchase certain things from wardens at camps, scrolls, items, potions, etc.

Please change the awful music! It really could be much more pumping than that ancient atari midi style music.. give us some bass and drums.. an adrenaline rush.

Overall, besides the minor tweaks here and there, Please Add Creativity.. give it a twist, a kick to it, make it more entertaining. I find the most troubling thing is how awfully dull it is now.

I would like to see SE copy Warhammer's Public Quest system, verbatim. Yes that game was ultimately a failure, but the Public Quest system was one of the nice innovations and contributions that game made to the MMO genre imo. With the new multi-claim system being implemented, this shouldn't be a problem where players will have the choice of grouping together, or not.

For those who are not familiar with Warhammer's Public Quest it went something like this:

• You arrive at a camp and see a timer for a scripted event cycle.
• Mobs spawn and you need to kill a set # before the next cycle begins.
• Bosses or Named Mobs spawn and you need to kill them.
• Contribution is tallied and calculated via damage and healing over the course of the event.
• Loot bags are distributed to the top 3-10 contributors, with the highest contributors getting a chance at rarer bags.
• Each bag has a set loot table that has items that can be used by any of the main class types.
• The more rare bags have better loot, with loot being appropriate range for the individual camp.

This model satisfies a number of different gameplay aspects and would build on what Behest already provides to a limited degree while addressing some of its core deficiencies:

• Alternative method of leveling for each level range.
• A means to play in group or solo and contribute effectively.
• Fun and engaging boss fights at early levels.
• Loot you can use!

I don't quite agree with auto-group for Behest. I have a reason. I'm not sure if this issue has been already discussed in this thread or not, because I only skimmed the first and last pages, not all pages.

There is a kind of people who only join Behest for free Skill Points rewarded when Behest is completed. I've run into these people several times. It is very frustrating and upsetting to have to fight more enemies than one should. I'm not sure if enemies level increase or not, but surely they increase in number. And then it is much harder for a person to get Swift Bonus at the end of Behest. This wouldn't be too much of a problem if there are plenty of participants to help you kill already, but this kind of Behest douche will pick camp with very few people (maybe they think it's better if less people see them doing this).

The person would just stand there, or try to hide somewhere near the camp, or try to secretly stalk the Battlewarden to claim reward (I cannot remember if SP is automatically granted or if we have to talk), but never participate in killing any mobs. This is already horrible. It would be even worse if these kind of leechers are automatically added to the party, since they will also gimp the EXP/SP gained from defeating individual enemy as well.


I know this is not the system's fault, but more like player's manner (or lack thereof). But it would be nice if DEVS can make any system to prevent or discourage this parasite-behavior. Like, for example, implement something that can check if the person help kill/engage any monster or not. If they're idle, Battlewarden should tell them they do not deserv the reward (Skill Points and gil).


Additionally, we can make separated parties and win Behest just fine. Each group can choose and engage mobs of their own. This would benefit in term of splitting force for even better effect, especially when monster groups are far apart or are spawning far from where other group die. People at behest, even if they try to keep in good range from Recommended Rank stated by Battlewarden, the rank gap could still be as high as 8 ranks or even 10, as I've observed. Therefore, it is not always that the "everyone together" party is the best option, especially when this setting happens.

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Originally Posted by Aleczan

The person would just stand there, or try to hide somewhere near the camp, or try to secretly stalk the Battlewarden to claim reward (I cannot remember if SP is automatically granted or if we have to talk), but never participate in killing any mobs. This is already horrible. It would be even worse if these kind of leechers are automatically added to the party, since they will also gimp the EXP/SP gained from defeating individual enemy as well.

I know this is not the system's fault, but more like player's manner (or lack thereof).

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I think if anything Chiz's response to give reward based on the amount of participation could help with this issue Aleczan. I like the auto-group feature except, and this may also have been mentioned already but, what if you only have certain classes there like Thm or Con and a few DDs or Tanks? If the auto system was built off of a "standardized" PT it may not work. If they just randomly throw you in a group and you are missing a healing or DoT/Nuke component, the auto system may be a failure. But, guess we shall see. ;)

Oh, right, if they can make it and if it works for EXP/SP reward too.
I was thinking about loot and treasure when I read that. But hell yeah it should be able to work under the same system!

I truly hope they will make it happen.

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Originally Posted by Aleczan

I don't quite agree with auto-group for Behest. I have a reason.

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Yes, now that the bulk of the SP gains are gotten through the reward at the end rather than the actual killing of mobs, leechers are now a problem. This would still exist with or without auto-grouping, however. You still get the same rewards just for signing up, not for being in a party.

Let me elaborate my reason. If it forces auto-grouping upon registering to a Behest, not only that the leecher will become a part of the party, hence taking away the EXP/SP that other "working" party members are putting their labour into, but there's also no guarantee that the system will land the "leader" role on a correct player. Then booting the leech from the party (in order to, like, allow PT members to gain slightly more SP from killing individual mobs than having a leech in PT) could be impossible. The party might have to disband and regroup anyway, just to kick out the leech. Now we're back at start, inviting people to join party.

There are also so many types of Behest Douche, people that you (or I) don't want to be in the party. Therefore I still think manual invite is better. I've often run into undesirable players at Behest, and I'd rather be in a separated party. Ah...but then again we can simply just disband from the automated party and form another party if that happens.

Well, I think I have nothing against auto-group in Behest anymore, if the system does not come with obligation that everyone MUST be in same party for Behest. As now we can have different parties participate in same Behest, each help kill the monsters separately, and get about equal SP reward at the end.

You're right. They will exist regardless of auto-grouping system. And this is why I totally agree with Behest contribution evaluating system. Since leeching people might not be interested in trivial SP obtained from defeating enemies, they're mainly there for the free SP at the end of Behest.

P.S. Sorry my replies are kind of confusing, I've been confronted with too many Behest Douches and was in angry mode. So the idea of auto-grouping blew my mind ><;;

i accepted a behest figuring i was doing it solo and went afk. by he time i got back to my computer someone had joined and killed all the mobs and i got the sp bonus for it. As happy as i was to get sp for nothing this can easily be exploited and needs to be stopped.

LOL. I would understand if the person returns from AFK and says something like...oops I went to the bathroom. But yeah this system needs a fix.

Moreover, most, if not all, of the leechers I've run into were doing it intentionally. They, sometimes, deliberately come to the Behest camp with underrank class. Like, rank 12 at Horizon (recommended 25) and they know very well that they cannot help kill any monster. There was one underrank person at Treespeak who did that to my BF when he thought he was going to solo Behest in an abandoned camp. My BF asked him why he joined Behest and not helping, and that he's far too low rank to survive against Behest mobs. He replied, sorry I solo here. (Which means this is his normal mobs camp for EXP, I guess?) He kept joining Behest every hour and told my BF "Sorry I'm gonna stay because I solo here." Dude, OK if you want to solo, but do not friggin' leech and ruin other people's Behest. You made it so tough and don't help to kill even a single enemy. This is so disgusting.