A challenge. Make Bard more Bard.

Should have been Class:Archer/Job:Ranger then Class:Bard/Job: Dancer

1. As many have said Bards in fantasy settings were generally offshoots of rogues. So using a bow isn't far fatched at all.

2. Please DO NOT change the FFXIV bard into a magical girl who makes giant musical notes fall from the sky & turns enemies into shuffling penguins like the one in Aion. No. No. No.

3. Add more support and utility songs to bard as it is now. I like being able to attack as well as support, playing Bard in XI was just boring.

Bard is mostly fine as it is IMO. They just need to add more support, utility & debuff songs and an actual singing animation.

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Originally Posted by Fortuna

Agree OP.

I have a nice solution that could solve this problem quite well.

1.Make all bard weapons like the bard relic weapon. When they are on our back they will look like a instruments, no only a harp, make others instruments that will become a bow or something similar.

2.Make all the new weapons to have specific status that will help a specific type of song. for example a harp brd weapon could have "Ballad+10", while this flute brd weapon could have "Minuet +20". This won't only create more options and conditions for the bards in FFXIV, it will make bard a true support job again. One reason we feel bard is not a support job is because we can only gear it towards more dps, if SE released stats that will increased bard performance on the support side people will see bard true main job again, being a support class.

3.Make then shoot energy notes from the weapons instead of arrows(since we have unlimited arrows now). This will make people think "oh, they don't shoot arrows, they must be bards" I hope lol.

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I like this idea so much so I have to quote it.

I actually really enjoy Bard the way it is , while I agree it does need new songs / instruments - I'd rather they didn't take away the bow and arrow aspect. It would be a godawful boring job then ...

Be careful with what you wish for...

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Originally Posted by Maxwell

Be careful with what you wish for...

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Someone didn't read the OP fully. If you go back and read the OP, you'll know what I mean.

Armory system is here to stay, please settle into that reality.

As far as the idea of 'Shooting Notes'... I'm not keen on it.

Then again, I was NEVER keen on the FFXI or previous iterations of bard in FF games, ever. Every single iteration of the character seemed pretty much like a gimick, and it was only really good in FFXI because it ignored all other prospects of combat and gave Haste and Refresh - the first of which was the single most breaking mechanic in FFXI, the second was on such a short supply that it was critical to have any and all amounts (which is now pretty much unneeded.)

So no, I actually LIKE the concept of Bard as an Archer variant, I just wish there was more stylization for Bard to make the instrument aspect of it apparent, such as having instruments as a secondary weapon that they use for their songs, akin to how a Paladin has their shield.

As far as more abilities to make it identify more with the bard role, that should come when every job has more job abilities to do the same - meaning every job should get more job abilities.

Beyond that, people are just arguing against aesthetics. I thoroughly enjoy the fact that Bard has a function besides only casting songs. It actually makes it a bit more realistic that they have a method to fight that's not whimsical instruments being thrown into the air, which just looks gaudy and tacky. (Aion's concept of bard is... nauseating.)

There are better ways of dealing with the hybridization of mechanics than to eliminate them, and I'm glad they made bard functional as a ranged class on top of a support class.

That said, I still want them to provide the "Ranger" job as the second Job variant of Archer - however I'm willing to hold off until the second round of jobs. There are other classes that can be created first.

Please don't make it like that OP video. Please.

I thought XI BRD was fine, but i also think XIV BRD is fine. I would like more songs, but that's it.

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Originally Posted by Masamune1004

Someone didn't read the OP fully.

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Someone takes things a tad bit too seriously.

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Originally Posted by NiroB

Should have been Class:Archer/Job:Ranger then Class:Bard/Job: Dancer

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God no.

Dancers pretty much always oppose Bards in FF lore. I would be upset if they shoe horned me into Dancer.

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Originally Posted by NiroB

Should have been Class:Archer/Job:Ranger then Class:Bard/Job: Dancer

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Yeah I can't agree with this at all just because having class to job being based of only one element, music makes that a dead line if they are going to add more job crystals to each class instead of adding a new class to introduce a new job. That and I would rather see sniper then ranger and give ranger to the two handed gun category.

Idk, when I think of bard I think of this guy.

http://i.imgur.com/sXETQ.jpg

And he was a badass.

Mudd, I love your sig ;U

As much as I hate to feed into this kind of thread. I'm going to have to completely agree with the OP. SE knows what Bard is suppose to be like. Bard was added to archer to appease the community whining about wanting/needed a new magic/buffing class. Archer should have advanced its job to Ranger and they know it... When I saw what they did with Bard my first reaction was slight shock as I thought they were trying to make this game "perfect" like everyone likes to think, and the way Bard was implemented seemed completely half assed.

I know people on here will be all like but, but... Bard in other games uses bow... blah blah. Yes I know this... but trust me I know, SE knows, and YOU know what Bard is suppose to be like in the Final Fantasy staple and what archer/ranger is suppose to be like as well.

Even my linkshell makes fun of Bard/archer and calls it Barcher, LOL.

I apologize if anyone brought this up, but Vanguard did Bard in a pretty cool way. You would learn parts of a song instead of the whole song and install these parts into your own custom song. You could name it and everything. Thing was, you could only have one song active.

This was years ago when I played so the Vanguard BRD may have changed but what I can remember is it went like this:

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4

Every few levels you would learn a different "part" to install into your song. Some parts increased STR, or improved run speed, or maybe INT. And you could install these parts into your song, save it, name it, then cast it. The group would get all the buffs that the parts gave.

So like your song could be:

Part 1: STR +5
Part 2: INT + 5
Part 3: STR +10
Part 4: Run speed +20

So, when you played that song, everyone would get +15 STR, +5 INT, and a 20% run speed for the duration.

I think that would be pretty cool being able to build your own songs and have to decide which song is best for which situation.

I apologize if I'm not explaining myself properly, but I feel like a few people are just going around in circles, so please enough with all the comparison because it is irrelevant, and I'm not asking for butterflies and ponies.

I understand some people like Bard the way it is, but honestly is there any difference that makes the job out shine the class? I don't see it. To me it still plays the same way, so I'm proposing a little visual change, and a little more than just the generic dps race. Keep in mind I'm not proposing to take away the dps.

What I want is more Bard specific bow/harp weapons with different stats for boosting songs. I want to utilize the harp that is mounted on the bow to shoot offensive songs that can do dmg, enfeeb enemies and buff.

Attacking things with music is something I think is cool. Everyone has their own opinion, but I think this way it'll make the Bard job more recognizable even without wearing any AF.

More guitars! Bring in mooshywooshy

I wish for this to happen in ARR~ not just support songs, i also want attack songs & such .

I couldn't agree more. I wish they would consider separating them for 2.0.

While i wish Brd had more songs, and could equip instruments, I really like them as Archers as well. I do not want that taken away. RNG could just easily have a whole different class if it is ever implemented. That way the skills are nothing alike.

I love how there are at least 10 posts dissing people who want higher DPS on bard yet there isn't a single one asking for higher DPS on bard

Ya SE im gonna have to agree since there is so many who want and see it the other way. Bard should be like Edward using a harp etc, potraying a fragle charismatic nature. Trying to bring harmony to a disordered world. The roots of FF are what is rekindling the game and although bard isnt on my top wish list the pld in me cant ignore the fan's plee. lol...

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Originally Posted by Syrokko

Someone takes things a tad bit too seriously.

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Huh? I just said that because it was the same video in the OP lol.

I like BRD the way it is in FF14 ppl here are biased from FF11's BRD >.> its a new original approach to the job stop asking for a "BRD-clone" (seewutididthere). If Yoshi-P decides to separate them which i HIGHLY doubt bcuz theres trailers portraying them lore and all that jazz i would hate it to be BRD > DNC ...keep DNC out of my FF14 plz :P.
If you wanna attack with strings do it this way:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...5CccAwY#t=149s

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Originally Posted by Warlock

I like BRD the way it is in FF14 ppl here are biased from FF11's BRD >.> its a new original approach to the job stop asking for a "BRD-clone" (seewutididthere). If Yoshi-P decides to separate them which i HIGHLY doubt bcuz theres trailers portraying them lore and all that jazz i would hate it to be BRD > DNC ...keep DNC out of my FF14 plz :P.
If you wanna attack with strings do it this way:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...5CccAwY#t=149s

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If you read the lore of the bard it is very easily seperated just by that, after the 7th umbral era it could be rooted out to a lost art now replaced with arc/rng w/e/brd

Or not even that could do a branch out for mutli class arc>brd using harp w/e then rng using bow but sharing gear only weapon diff making it easier but there are so many variables. I am sure everyone will agree they are doing a great job and at least entertain their fans where as most other companies ignore them.
It really comes down to being patient im sure there are stacks of plans but programing designing implementing etc takes so much time and energy.

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Originally Posted by Aerenvel

Or not even that could do a branch out for mutli class arc>brd using harp w/e then rng using bow but sharing gear only weapon diff making it easier but there are so many variables. I am sure everyone will agree they are doing a great job and at least entertain their fans where as most other companies ignore them.
It really comes down to being patient im sure there are stacks of plans but programing designing implementing etc takes so much time and energy.

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There is literally no difference between an FFXIV archer and a typical FF ranger. It's the same exact class. If they were going to re-design Ranger and make it more like it is in other MMOs (with pets and what-not), then they might as well wait til the first expansion & do Ranger as a class with Beastmaster as the job that spins off it. That makes much more sense from a design perspective IMO.

Also;

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Originally Posted by Warlock

If you wanna attack with strings do it this way:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...5CccAwY#t=149s

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Lol. Monk redesign!

in my opinion the current BARD is not really a BARD, its an interesting take on the job ill give Yoshi that, but that dosent mean the BRD in FFXI wasent more fun to play, but then again the whole games class/job system is horrible and Alien to me lol you got:


GLA PLD ARCH BRD CONJ WHM THM BLM MNK PUG LNC DRG WAR MRD

Just give us the Basic 7 and add totally unique jobs after that, stop rehashing classes and adding a few things then calling them "jobs"

we have too many of basically the same jobs.

I think a branch off would be easier to implement and less of a headache on gear only change the job weapon. imo.
but having to lvl other subs up to accomodate the soul Like Cecil for example Drk Into PLD shows the opposite paths that a mer soldier can take through light or dark. Mar more a primal spirit thin BST would go good Mar/War Mar/Bst
Archer/RNG ARC/BRD not only allowing you to keep your main and branch off to another role with a main established.
And just having to swap gear except class specific obviously the staple af stuff.
There is so much ways they can do this there really is no wrong answer.

BRDs in D&D are essentially rogues. That's bow and/or dag... Nevermind...

Just keep asking to move backwards in time. -.-

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Originally Posted by GreyJorildyn

BRDs in D&D are essentially rogues. That's bow and/or dag... Nevermind...

Just keep asking to move backwards in time. -.-

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Read the OP before making a reply.

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Originally Posted by Andrien

Read the OP before making a reply.

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Read the last few pages lol

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Originally Posted by GreyJorildyn

Read the last few pages lol

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Ah, I understand.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

This is the problem with XIV's BRD. Whilst in XI at later levels you stuck to marches, ballads and minuets, early on you had to use a multitude of different songs to maintain your group.

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Madrigal stopped mattering once accuracy foods became plentiful and beyond the scope of sushi. Paeon was meh, especially considering the two-song limit. Minne = loldefense. Carols were a waste of a song slot, specially considering how resistances worked in FFXI. The list continues. Bard had horribly cluttered ability lists.

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Being proactive was the sign of a good BRD in XI. I want the same option here.

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Keep in mind that XI gave birth to the princess bard. You may have been in the minority that liked the job as it was, but I think preventing a second coming of the princess bard (or its cousin, the princess red mage) is a tad more important.

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you didn't have to be the hurr durr meathead DD.

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Now now. Pansy-wansies that without game mechanics would not contribute anything to the fight should not be throwing stones...

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Backlogs aside, if you want new songs, I would recommend a second category of songs that cost no resouces but have cooldowns. The effects would be more for burst phases due to the songs having short durations. Maybe a song that lasts 20 seconds but increases the target/party's attack by a huge amount. Admiteddly, songs can only take you so far, and in all honesty, I think BRD is pretty well set with what it has right now.

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Originally Posted by GreyJorildyn

BRDs in D&D are essentially rogues. That's bow and/or dagger.

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Indeed. There's a reason bards were seen as badasses, and FFIV's Edward was not it.

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Originally Posted by Andrien

I'm fully prepared to get flamed for this, and with all seriousness I'm disappointed with FFXIV's Bard.

Now when I look at Archer and Bard in 1.xx and from the end of an era trailer, there isn't much difference or individuality that can distinguish them apart from one another. FFXIV Bard is still just an Archer besides the fact they wear Artifacts, and has access to a few extra skills that are staples to the job.

I challenge everyone, the readers out there to get somebody who never played FFXIV before, and show them the end of an era trailer. I guarantee you that they'll never know that a Bard was in it. They'll be like "Oh that Miqo'te is an Archer."

Square Enix, when I think of Bard I think of music that can be used to attack enemies, and buff allies and not just shooting arrows like an Archer would. I want to use that Harp, that Flute, and that Horn musical instruments we carry around.

2.0 make it happen.


You're free to disagree with me from the following:
Look at this Bard. This is completely my opinion but, why other game companies is doing Bard right?

I used Aion Bard as a reference only because it actually uses instruments to fight, and to buff. There is no need to compare what it looks like except for its concept.

Discuss in the posting section below.

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OMG THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! FINALLY FOR REAL U THE MAN! WTH IS WITH SE BRD in this game is nothing compare to a real BRD i mean seriously what u wrote is totally true brd in FF14 is and archer with few extra skills nothing that make them look a real BRD im sorry SE but u did really bad job on your part!! on doing this i was sooo happy when i hear BRD was coming and then i played it until i unluck all their skills and that was the last time i played it because i didnt like it, it didnt interested me for be brd because it was the same as a playing archer so SE PLEASE YOU BETTER CHANGE BRD ON 2.0 please!!!!!!!

Maybe i'm the only one but.. i like FFXIV 1.0's BRD
Would be cool, if they make the effect of songs based on a stat so you could stack that stat to improve songs. A stronger heal would also be great. Thats all i would change.

I can't stop staring at Andrien sign @_@

Greetings my musical friends!

I'd like to take a moment and give you some news about bard in ARR.

Drum roll please!
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When performing songs, bards will take out an instrument and play!

This is the only detail we can give to you for now, but we hope you like it. :)

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Greetings my musical friends!

I'd like to take a moment and give you some news about bard in ARR.

Drum roll please!
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When performing songs, bards will take out an instrument and play!

This is the only detail we can give to you for now, but we hope you like it. :)

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Yay! Good kitty. :3

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Greetings my musical friends!

I'd like to take a moment and give you some news about bard in ARR.

Drum roll please!
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When performing songs, bards will take out an instrument and play!

This is the only detail we can give to you for now, but we hope you like it. :)

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This is fantastic news! Now I am even more excited to return to XIV on my bard!