Highlander Eyebrows - 7.0 Graphics

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Originally Posted by Risough

I'm a bit concerned we've taken this thread too far off the rails debating the history of Highlanders. Ruin, this is your thread so if you feel we've gone too far off topic just say so and I'll drop the subject.

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I mean, I don't really care about having lore discussions, but the reality is that we have very little concrete lore or evidence, so it seems sort of irrelevant to debate it.

The bottom line is, there isn't anything that says we can't have eyebrows. It's not genetic, so cultural or not, our WoL may or may not adhere to it.

My feelings on the matter are that Highlanders were originally designed without eyebrows and SE simply doesn't care enough to change it. Highlanders are overall a small portion of the population compared to other races and aren't even on SE's radar for feedback or changes.

I don't mean to rant about it, but with the graphics update it's been a little frustrating to see feedback addressed on popular races when Highlanders don't even have the option for a basic common facial feature.

Agreed. We're told to come to this forum in order to leave feedback, so I'd like to be clear on this for the proverbial person reviewing this thread: I'm not interested in a better lore explanation for why we don't have eyebrows. I just want the eyebrows.

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Originally Posted by Risough

Agreed. We're told to come to this forum in order to leave feedback, so I'd like to be clear on this for the proverbial person reviewing this thread: I'm not interested in a better lore explanation for why we don't have eyebrows. I just want the eyebrows.

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Yes, this.

Not that anyone should be surprised....but still no eyebrows. The new benchmark is out. The face paint does seem to look like the placement is better. However, because of the added detail to face and hair, it looks even more like paint now. I guess I need to decide if I'm remaining a Highlander. I just don't enjoy animal hybrid races.

Face paint is somewhat fixed, yes. My only problem is now that face paint color swatches aren't necessarily the same to hair color.

What that means is that eyebrow paint color is too comical if using any shades of brunette on hair. Seems we are doomed to be all black-haired lad lol

Orrrrr Square Enix, this is just crazy suggestion, but why not give us eyebrow already? :)

I was low-key hoping Yoshi P would surprise us by sneaking some lovely highlander supercilia into the updated benchmark...

Oh well, Highlander brothers, the Roegadyn people will be your salvation!

Yeah I've played around with it for a bit, and I think I can get by with the face paint eyebrows. At least they fixed the placement, but I feel like the paint and scars don't blend well with the new face textures because they still look the same as the current version.

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Originally Posted by Galbraith

I'm glad to report that the clipping issues I posted on page 3 of this thread have been fixed. I thought they would go unnoticed, but they sorted it. Cheers devs.

The eyebrow facepaint has also been put back to its old position, so it's not sitting 10 feet higher than it's supposed to. It still hasn't been up-res'd but I personally find it hard to notice unless I stick the camera right up in the characters face.

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I don't think the position has been fixed. At the very least it's still not at the same placement as it is in Endwalker.

https://i.imgur.com/w48y4cD.jpg

Left is Endwalker, Right is Dawntrail. There are a lot of things about the "upgrade" I'm unhappy with, but let's focus on the Face Paint Eyebrows. The placement of these markings is positioned significantly higher on the brow than it was pre-Dawntrail. This makes the character look more "surprised" all the time rather than more serious.

Additionally, even with the darkest color (black) selected, the shade appears lighter or less vibrant than it currently is pre-Dawntrail. This makes it difficult to pass these markings off as eyebrows, as the lighter they appear the more fake they look.

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Originally Posted by Galbraith

It's difficult to see your comparison with that haircut. I pulled up the 1.0 and 1.1 versions of the bench and made a comparison of both Face 2 and Face 4.

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I just want to point out that your Face 2 image (I haven't checked the other) isn't aligned correctly. I've added red lines to show you.

https://i.imgur.com/rIs4R9i.png

Once you move the 1.1 head so that the bottom of the chin, bottom of the nose, and bottom of the eye aligns with the EW image, then the eyebrow facepaint on the 1.1 image is going to shift quite a bit higher and pass through that black line. So the eyebrow facepaint in Dawntrail is still quite a bit higher than it is in Endwalker.

hey. guess who get eyebrows this dawntrail patch?
(hint: it is not us)

This has honestly been driving me INSANE- Especially so now that there are multiple Highlander NPC models with eyebrows. "Lore" is an insufficient excuse. Taking away the option for players to give their male Highlander a different backstory than Gyr Abania for something as superficial as eyebrows is disappointing at the very least. Furthermore, even if all Highlanders must be from Gyr Abania, surely not all are warriors and would shave their eyebrows. I was somewhat appeased by the makeup option before Dawn Trail because option 2 is a shape I like. Still, now that they've changed them significantly post Dawn Trail, I seriously cannot stand it anymore and have considered using the free fantasia to switch to another race. I hope they either give us eyebrows in the future or go back to how the makeup is applied to the face. I love this game and I love my character. I hate to have something as simple as eyebrows/lore restrictions sour the experience.

I was playing with the eyebrow face paint earlier. Apparently, and correct me if I am wrong, the eyebrow paints on Male Highlander Face#2 are placed differently between lighter and darker colour. The problem exists regardless type of eyebrow on face#2, but face#4 seems uniform when it comes to eyebrow paint.
For now I just put my character in lighter eyebrows (and thus lighter hair and tanner skin) since the difference of expression to former version is nagging me to no end.
https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...e43e5371cf.pnghttps://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...90b03cccc8.png
P.S. : On darker eyebrow paint there is actually gap between the eyebrow and the shadow on eyebrow ridge, but I am afraid that the problem is the other way round--color bleed on lighter eyebrow paint.

I think the lore answer is that they actually dont have eyebrows because the hot sunny climate or something.
Which doesnt make sense because that climate actually produces heavier eyebrows and hair as skin and eye protection from the sun. The wiry and often curly kind genetically, as curly hair can cover more surface area without retaining more body heat, and carry more oils which protect your skin from drying out.

Yes, cold climates produce more body hair too genetically obviously for warmth reasons. The curly hair type tends to be a wavy type that can poof up and retain heat better.

Midlanders are the ones who have a subtropical implication and that is the climate where humans develop the least body hair genetically.

But not having eyebrows doesnt exactly make for a fantasy feel like elf pointy ears and tall frame.
Youre just... a guy with no eyebrows.

Am I crazy or is the Viper job quest NPC a Highlander Male WITH eyebrows?

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

Am I crazy or is the Viper job quest NPC a Highlander Male WITH eyebrows?

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Yep. At this point we have TWO Male Highlanders with eyebrows. Which kinda baffles me.
They do be like avoiding giving all playable highlander eyebrows and instead making custom face to just put eyebrows on Male Highlander base.
I am not really sure what is the purpose there lol

And of course, we are still under mercy of face paint eyebrows. Aaaand somehow the placement/shape between different colors is still not the same. Oh for heaven's sake.

https://lds-img.finalfantasyxiv.com/...20bf3f5381.jpg

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Originally Posted by Wildheaven182

I think the lore answer is that they actually dont have eyebrows because the hot sunny climate or something.
Which doesnt make sense because that climate actually produces heavier eyebrows and hair as skin and eye protection from the sun. The wiry and often curly kind genetically, as curly hair can cover more surface area without retaining more body heat, and carry more oils which protect your skin from drying out.

Yes, cold climates produce more body hair too genetically obviously for warmth reasons. The curly hair type tends to be a wavy type that can poof up and retain heat better.

Midlanders are the ones who have a subtropical implication and that is the climate where humans develop the least body hair genetically.

But not having eyebrows doesnt exactly make for a fantasy feel like elf pointy ears and tall frame.
Youre just... a guy with no eyebrows.

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The lore is that all Eorzean highlanders come from the same group of people that followed a culture of scarification, shaving eyebrows, removal/sharpening of some teeth, tattoo's. The problem is, these are all optional parts of the culture in the lore, which is why there are some highlander NPC's with eyebrows. So it's just a lazy hang on. Their biggest priority will be putting out an apology for how bad this expac is, in about a months time when the sub counts come in low. Between wuk lamat, the meh graphics update, and the complete and utter botching of almost every job, by late august they are going to get murdered by the wow expac, and based on how bad things are in the state of the gameplay and story in DT I think they will struggle to get any of the players back. Which does mean they will try and win people back with low hanging fruit so simple cosmetic things like this might get picked up then.

I just saw the Viper job quest NPC, Keshkwa, has eyebrows. It's been mentioned in this thread, I just wanted vent that this just means that the eyebrows are already in the game, they just need to enable the option in in the character editor.

https://i.redd.it/4wkopx39u8cd1.png

Give player highlanders eyebrows it's been 10 years already...
There's no excuse to give them to npcs and not players. This isn't a situation where people are asking for an NPC unique face. Just an option.
I remain in full support of this. Let the handsome highlanders have eyebrows.

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Originally Posted by Arcadious

I just saw the Viper job quest NPC, Keshkwa, has eyebrows. It's been mentioned in this thread, I just wanted vent that this just means that the eyebrows are already in the game, they just need to enable the option in in the character editor.

https://i.redd.it/4wkopx39u8cd1.png

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For real, this NPC was a real slap in the face.

Yeah there's no excuse for a lack of male Highlander eyebrows.

They're just lazy.

Still here to show my support for more customization and things that should have been implemented years ago

+1 male highlander eyebrows

Finally something I can get behind. Give us real eyebrows pls :'(

Astounding how practically all female, as well as some male models have a facial feature reserved for either giving them thicker eyebrows or any at all (e.g. male Au Ra), but adding that option to male Highlanders also is somehow impossible

I just like how even Hrothgar females (face#2 and face#4) got option for eyebrows before Highlander.

SE really doesn't seem to like Highlanders. :p

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Originally Posted by Anzaman

SE really doesn't seem to like Highlanders. :p

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SE definitely favors the more "fantasy" styled races, like animal hybrids (except for headgear, sorry guys). I honestly just assumed they had forgotten about Highlanders in their own game. They've now indirectly acknowledged that Highlanders need eyebrows by introducing a new Highlander Male NPC into Dawntrail and thought .....oh no, we can't put him in the game without eyebrows. Let's add those to his face.

They've either forgotten that Highlander is a player race or they just don't care because we don't have animal ears and a tail.

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

SE definitely favors the more "fantasy" styled races, like animal hybrids (except for headgear, sorry guys). I honestly just assumed they had forgotten about Highlanders in their own game. They've now indirectly acknowledged that Highlanders need eyebrows by introducing a new Highlander Male NPC into Dawntrail and thought .....oh no, we can't put him in the game without eyebrows. Let's add those to his face.

They've either forgotten that Highlander is a player race or they just don't care because we don't have animal ears and a tail.

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As a Hrothgar player who used to be a Viera, trust me: the lack of options and quality extends beyond minimal headgear options.

Examples including, but not limited to:

1. Ears and tails being removed from gear (this extends to other "fantasy races" as well)
2. Poorly fitted shared hairstyles on Viera and Hrothgar (a lot of hairs, like Lightning's, have ears holes where Hyur ears would go that are still present when worn by Viera, for instance)
3. Fem hrothgar gear rigging issues
4. Limited choices in hairstyles for fem Hrothgar
5. Racial hairstyles for Hrothgar are still locked to faces, and now it's affecting fem Hroth as well

That's not to say that Highlander men aren't getting overlooked, just that the fantasy races aren't faring well, either. Seems like SE only cares about Midlanders and Lalafell (although the latter are starting to get their ears chopped off, too)

I hate to admit that the npc in the viper quest was quite the slap in the face. Being tested a male highlander with pthe perfect eyebrows we've been hoping is still of tough one
It still gives me hope that it's doable and they might consider it. Their excuse for lore doesn't seem too important since they did the npc

The lack of eyebrows on male highlanders is intended limitation, since highlander with eyebrows will overpower other male races /s

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Originally Posted by ShadyCrow

I hate to admit that the npc in the viper quest was quite the slap in the face. Being tested a male highlander with pthe perfect eyebrows we've been hoping is still of tough one
It still gives me hope that it's doable and they might consider it. Their excuse for lore doesn't seem too important since they did the npc

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"They can have eyebrows since they're not Ala Mhigan!" ....neither is our WoL. Ala Mhigo is a culture, not a race. I could be Meracydian for all yall know.

I'm back to say the WOL is a weirdo freak of a person who has no tangible connections to their upbringing: they would grow their dang eyebrows if they felt the whim. Lore ain't an excuse.

Response to feedback on character appearance:
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...4b52c16f4e9bf6

There's no mention of Highlanders specifically in the eyebrow portion (not that I expected it), but maybe one day.....

There's a vague mention of adding more customization on the table...actual future copium. But since it's a longterm undertaking idk...
I'm really hoping they'd give the player eyebrow options. It's really weird to see highlander NPCs have eyebrows, are they trying to instill eyebrow envy in the player? Why is the player stuck with no eyebrows?

It is 2025, I think it is not too much to ask for eyebrows on highlander.

So, up you go thread.

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Originally Posted by potatsdevourer

It is 2025, I think it is not too much to ask for eyebrows on highlander.

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Welcome in 2026.

+1 for the eyebrows!