Third-party Tools Can Negatively Affect Players Not Using Them

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

Yeah I double checked their latest earnings report but it’s filled with a lot of business buzzword crap and I couldnt find a breakdown of cash shop income.

But if it follows the trend of similar titles (there’s no reason to think it does t) and the difference is substantial between subs and cash shop

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I work with the "business buzzwords" in my IRL job, so it was easy for me to read, but sadly, the break down is only showing subscriptions and not any optional items. The report is focused on games, rather then DLC.

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Originally Posted by ManaEthielday

I work with the "business buzzwords" in my IRL job, so it was easy for me to read, but sadly, the break down is only showing subscriptions and not any optional items. The report is focused on games, rather then DLC.

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Damn my condolences to your sanity

The only business buzzwords I like is giving the middle finger to shareholders who invest w/o knowing the product (which is a damn lot and why the stereotype exists)

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

That is a blatent lie that you can’t source but anecdotally most of the modbeasts I know still buy a LOT from the cash shop

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A friend of mine is a "don't ask me what I spent on the optional items" person, while also being like "I can tell a mile away they are using mods, because they are wearing that EXACT shirt" person.

Using add-on/plugins/mods /= not buying from the optional item store.

I only read the OP in this thread. And my first thought was, "I wonder what percentage of the playerbase is actually doing ultimates?"

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Originally Posted by Lium

I only read the OP in this thread. And my first thought was, "I wonder what percentage of the playerbase is actually doing ultimates?"

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In periods of downtime? A lot more than you’d think lol

14's community: We want more challenging encounters!
We get them!
14's community: Lets use add ons for them so we basically don't have to think about it at all so everyone else thinks we're good at this game :D

Two days ago, I played against a player in mahjong. They used few bots and their character to boost own mahjong rating.
They literally got rating form 1500 to 2000 in a single day.
I played for a very very long time to get that Mahjong Master title and this person just got it in a single day by playing against bot characters.
This person didn't even seem to understand the basic rules of the game and got the master title.

Achievements lost their whole value because of people like that. Since people started using addons I see mahjong masters everywhere despite that queues are almost dead and no one plays.

Makes me think that most people with rare achievements are probably using bots or addons.
Achievements aren't achievements anymore. They're not only worthless, but also if you have a lot of them people just gonna think that you use bots/addons to get them.

Addons literally are killing this game right now. They grant people some fun for a short period, but also they kill all the content quickly. Without them, people would have to work a lot harder to get anything.
Even visual add-ons are like that. People change their looks and make gear to look whatever they want. They have fun with it for a time, but they lose all interest in trying to get glamour in the game by playing. Glamour was a massive reason to do stuff in the game in the past, now people just add-on.
I have played many MMORPGs and most of them died because of cheaters. It feels bad to see the same thing happening to FFXIV now.

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Originally Posted by Raionek

Two days ago, I played against a player in mahjong. They used few bots and their character to boost own mahjong rating.
They literally got rating form 1500 to 2000 in a single day.
I played for a very very long time to get that Mahjong Master title and this person just got it in a single day by playing against bot characters.
This person didn't even seem to understand the basic rules of the game and got the master title.

Achievements lost their whole value because of people like that. Since people started using addons I see mahjong masters everywhere despite that queues are almost dead and no one plays.

Makes me think that most people with rare achievements are probably using bots or addons.
Achievements aren't achievements anymore. They're not only worthless, but also if you have a lot of them people just gonna think that you use bots/addons to get them.

Addons literally are killing this game right now. They grant people some fun for a short period, but also they kill all the content quickly. Without them, people would have to work a lot harder to get anything.
Even visual add-ons are like that. People change their looks and make gear to look whatever they want. They have fun with it for a time, but they lose all interest in trying to get glamour in the game by playing. Glamour was a massive reason to do stuff in the game in the past, now people just add-on.
I have played many MMORPGs and most of them died because of cheaters. It feels bad to see the same thing happening to FFXIV now.

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Addon abusers in this community will tell you "it doesn't effect you, you know you earned the achievement legitimately so why does it bother you if others want to get the title their own way? you should do things for your own enjoyment not to impress others. if you like glamours too, then you should enjoy getting them without addons."

It's pretty sad how extreme the cheating problem is in this game and how normalized it has become. I really hope we see an anti-cheat and lots of bans soon.

Good luck with that lmao, also add-ons are not a big bad wolf they are literally in every mmo to some extent.

If you don't like if, play a solo game.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Good luck with that lmao, also add-ons are not a big bad wolf they are literally in every mmo to some extent.

If you don't like if, play a solo game.

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If you wanna cheat, play a solo game where you don't negatively impact others.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

If you wanna cheat, play a solo game where you don't negatively impact others.

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

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Lmao I love this, so true

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

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They are though? Cosmetics are tied to either cash shop or in game achievements. Whether you recognize it or not, your cosmetic mods that you obviously use are allowing you to gain appearances without earning them.

Anyway enjoy it while you can, with AI becoming more prevalent we're not going to have people cheating in these games for very long at all. AI makes anti-cheat development extremely effective and your days are numbered.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

They are though? Cosmetics are tied to either cash shop or in game achievements. Whether you recognize it or not, your cosmetic mods that you obviously use are allowing you to gain appearances without earning them.

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Lmao you are really digging deep huh.

And they actually don't affect you at all, because if they did, the game wouldn't have anybody playing on anything else but PC, but your ego obviously can't handle that people are having fun in a video game, I actually feel bad for you that people enjoying a game frustrates you this much

Also lol @ the AI part, that goes for add-ons too buddy, grow up already

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Anyway enjoy it while you can, with AI becoming more prevalent we're not going to have people cheating in these games for very long at all. AI makes anti-cheat development extremely effective and your days are numbered.

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this is literally just you throwing a tantrum in an attempt to hurt my feelings because you come from a place of hurt yourself

im sorry that your life is miserable

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

this is literally just you throwing a tantrum in an attempt to hurt my feelings because you come from a place of hurt yourself

im sorry that your life is miserable

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?????? I am just tired of playing with cheaters. There's no tantrum, I'm not trying to get your feelings hurt. I just want cheaters out of the game.

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

this is literally just you throwing a tantrum in an attempt to hurt my feelings because you come from a place of hurt yourself

im sorry that your life is miserable

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That's how most anti mods/add-ons people are, they just can't handle people having fun, it makes them frustrated and angry to see the joy of people showing their nice looking characters that is light years better than what they have. It's actually laughable, but they'll keep trying to drain that happiness from these people by screaming into a void with their incessant complaints about "people having fun in my video game ban them!!!!"

Thankfully they are not being listened to.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

That's how most anti mods/add-ons people are, they just can't handle people having fun, it makes them frustrated and angry to see the joy of people showing their nice looking characters that is light years better than what they have. It's actually laughable, but they'll keep trying to drain that happiness from these people by screaming into a void with their incessant complaints about "people having fun in my video game ban them!!!!"

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My character literally looks perfect lol, you're tripping.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

My character literally looks perfect lol, you're tripping.

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you play one of the two safest race / gender combos in the game to outfit lmao

you can tell from literally any gear in the game that most of it is designed with femra and femqote in mind

I used to care more about cheats being used, but SE does literally nothing about stuff like the bot that does your rotation for you, splatoon, camera hacks, whatever. So I kinda don't care anymore.
About cosmetic stuff and UI changes, I think thats fine. I get why SE would say its against TOS, but they also say its the same as the stuff I listed above, and they've done a whole lot to shut those down, so it matters even less. Its the equivalent a sign being a referee for a sports ball game saying "DONT CHEAT".

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

you play one of the two safest race / gender combos in the game to outfit lmao

you can tell from literally any gear in the game that most of it is designed with femra and femqote in mind

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Good point that definitely justifies breaking ToS

*sarcasm, it doesn't justify breaking ToS

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Good point that definitely justifies breaking ToS

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it doesnt, but i dont blame people when viera and hroth are out for 2 years and dont have functional working vanilla hats yet are fully supported with modding

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

it doesnt, but i dont blame people when viera and hroth are out for 2 years and dont have functional working vanilla hats yet are fully supported with modding

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Why would they have supported headgear in most cases? They have huge ears. It's almost like immersion matters in rpg.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Why would they have supported headgear in most cases? They have huge ears. It's almost like immersion matters in rpg.

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yeah you just arnt worth engaging with if thats your attitude and stance

stay miserable

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Why would they have supported headgear in most cases? They have huge ears. It's almost like immersion matters in rpg.

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You're not serious right ?

Oh wait you actually are serious

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

yeah you just arnt worth engaging with if thats your attitude and stance

stay miserable

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Said it better than I would lol

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

You're not serious right ?

Oh wait you actually are serious

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Said it better than I would lol

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its the crap like this that makes me glad that most mediums outside the official forums consider the official forums a joke

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

its the crap like this that makes me glad that most mediums outside the official forums consider the official forums a joke

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I agree lmao, this place is just something else with the terrible takes, I'm glad the devs dont listen to the forums and that they are just considered a joke in general, this game would go under in literally less than a week with people like that

Only miserable people I see here are ones who openly defend breaking ToS on official forums because they are unhappy with the game the developers have made for them. Skill issue, appreciation issue. You say I am miserable, yet you are in the miserable position of NEEDING to break ToS to have fun.

That's checkmate.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Only miserable people I see here are ones who openly defend breaking ToS on official forums because they are unhappy with the game the developers have made with them. Skill issue, appreciation issue. You say I am miserable, yet you are in the miserable position of NEEDING to break ToS to have fun.

That's checkmate.

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ok whatever thats nice thanks for posting

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

That's checkmate.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

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Even if I was like that guy, I bet he is happier than all the people abusing addons.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Even if I was like that guy, I bet he is happier than all the people abusing addons.

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I dunno a lot of the NSFW GPose stuff I see on Twitter makes me very happy.
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Originally Posted by Mosha

I dunno a lot of the NSFW GPose stuff I see on Twitter makes me very happy.
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wow so cool

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

wow so cool

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Yeah, it really is.

When you are so resistent to nuance you arrive at 'hroth and viera dont deserve hats, actually'. Incredible.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

When you are so resistent to nuance you arrive at 'hroth and viera dont deserve hats, actually'. Incredible.

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Real talk hands down the hardliners like this are worse than the modbeasts

The absolute state of femzen, stinky giraffes need to break the ToS and use illegal 3rd party cheats to look presentable

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Originally Posted by ZiraZ

The absolute state of femzen, stinky giraffes need to break the ToS and use illegal 3rd party cheats to look presentable

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Not taking any prisoners tonight I see

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Originally Posted by Saraide

When you are so resistent to nuance you arrive at 'hroth and viera dont deserve hats, actually'. Incredible.

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Deserve? It just doesn't make sense for them to wear hats when you look at their head model. There are options that work for both races, just not the ones that don't make sense.

There's no nuance whatsoever, it just doesn't make sense for them to be wearing certain head gear options. Funny how you can twist the meaning of words though, doesn't make sense =/= doesn't deserve. Or maybe you can just only think in terms of entitlement since you mod the game to suit your desires?

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Deserve? It just doesn't make sense for them to wear hats when you look at their head model. There are options that work for both races, just not the ones that don't make sense.

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I'm going to blow your mind! they can just cut earholes into the hat.