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Originally Posted by Andrien

If you can deal with that, you can deal with jump. That goes for everyone else. I also find it annoying when people break out laughing non-stop, and playing around with their moogle weapons. But, you don't see me QQ'ing for a toggle off feature.

I have nothing against jump, and I'll use it when I feel I have to. Over a ledge, a hole, or over a fence. It looks way better than hovering or magically passing through it.

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Dunno if you noticed but I said I can deal, and turn around. Saying a toggle would be worth something isn't QQing, not being able to jump and wanting it gone cause i just can't figure out how to make it work would be.

So your also saying here that your ability to read is less than the tits, it's a non-functional jump mechanic, hence "No purpose". So let me know how your fince hopping goes.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Well, there is stuff like Intense Cold (Keristrasza) and Biting Cold (Hodir). Both were mechanics where if you stood still you would get Intense/Biting Cold stacks building on you (which did multiplicative damage on you depending on the number of stacks). One way to keep the effect from stacking on you was jumping in place (because the game registered jumping as movement), which was also very helpful to melee because it meant they could stand in range. There's also stuff like adds that cling to you that you have to shake off by jumping (like the baby crocs in Uldum).

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Thats different to me. The movement warms your body to fight the cold and the movement would throw them off of you. Thats not so bad. Btw, when I said annoying I didnt mean enough to make me complain about it.

so where's the disable button for emotes, synthesis, battling, NPCs, 3D graphics, the color purple, hell people even existing. I hate people! I want to turn them off! Not their chat, I want to remove all you annoying people from my game!

Christ, the things people whine about these days...

Everyone finds a reason/excuse to be bothered by something. If you don't let it bother you then nobody will have any reason to abuse it.

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Originally Posted by Madrox

Thats different to me. The movement warms your body to fight the cold and the movement would throw them off of you. Thats not so bad. Btw, when I said annoying I didnt mean enough to make me complain about it.

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Oh, I was focusing on the "think of other uses" part of your post.

don't be scared of jump. it won't hurt. :P

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Oh, I was focusing on the "think of other uses" part of your post.

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My mistake, I wasnt very clear. That was directed towards the dev team.

Wasn't the whole argument for jumping that it allows for more options? I don't see why a toggle that in no way effects jumpers themselves would be such a bad thing. It shouldn't be that hard to add either, considering that it's only an animation and your actual hitbox is still on the ground (if the no function interview is to be believed).

You get arguments that tell us to just deal with it, but why? For an attention hogging animation with no practical use, a toggle would be a fine option to those of us that don't want to see it without bothering the experience of those that do.

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Originally Posted by Dragon

We're not here to talk about opposing the implementation of it. So get that through your thick skull.



Why don't you get a grip on reality.



The devs can invoke an invisible wall around that little pebble and there will be no way for you to jump over it because of the invisible wall. Period.

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so please ever knowing one, tell me how a toggle will be the oh so wonderful solution of turning jump off so you won't see the jump mechanic happen.

I'm dying to see what this would look like in game- not seeing a jump mechanic happen even though it is happening. /facepalm.

In the end this entire thread boils down to not wanting jump, which is why I said the devs are already adding it due to not only PLAYER request but because it is an MMO standard.

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Originally Posted by Nox

I'm dying to see what this would look like in game- not seeing a jump mechanic happen even though it is happening. /facepalm.

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Pretty much the same as it looks now. People walking/running around. Jumping won't add anything to the gameplay, they where pretty clear about that.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Wasn't the whole argument for jumping that it allows for more options? I don't see why a toggle that in no way effects jumpers themselves would be such a bad thing. It shouldn't be that hard to add either, considering that it's only an animation and your actual hitbox is still on the ground (if the no function interview is to be believed).

You get arguments that tell us to just deal with it, but why? For an attention hogging animation with no practical use, a toggle would be a fine option to those of us that don't want to see it without bothering the experience of those that do.

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While choice is a lovely thing, I would first want to see what not seeing the jump animation while its happening would look like before I agree with a toggle to hide it. I mean if the character jumps but you don't see the animation, what WOULD you see? I find it hard to believe that it would be as if nothing happened (like now for instance, we have no jump... so would a toggle make it look like NOTHING happened at all? as in the character stays on the ground and no movement indicating an action was performed shows?) I mean imagine I jump over something, would a person with the toggle off just see me disappear and reappear where I landed? O.0" that would be odd as hell honestly.

Pointless jump is pointless.

It's funny how quick the people who said "Jumping wont ruin anything let me have it" are the first to deny others the abillity to ask for the same right to toggle it off.

I think people are also mis-interpreting Yoshida intent with jump, until we know otherwise we wont be able to "Jump" over or onto object any more than we can walk up/down cliff faces.

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Originally Posted by Nox

While choice is a lovely thing, I would first want to see what not seeing the jump animation while its happening would look like before I agree with a toggle to hide it. I mean if the character jumps but you don't see the animation, what WOULD you see? I find it hard to believe that it would be as if nothing happened (like now for instance, we have no jump... so would a toggle make it look like NOTHING happened at all? as in the character stays on the ground and no movement indicating an action was performed shows?) I mean imagine I jump over something, would a person with the toggle off just see me disappear and reappear where I landed? O.0" that would be odd as hell honestly.

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Well that's just it. According to the interviews, we won't be jumping over anything. It's just an animation to please those who wanted it and 'adds nothing to the gameplay'.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Well that's just it. According to the interviews, we won't be jumping over anything. It's just an animation to please those who wanted it and 'adds nothing to the gameplay'.

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the interview doesn't specifically say we wont be able to jump over anything though. all we know is that we wont be able to evade anything with jump. I suppose a clarification from the devs would be nice.

Toggle jump is not necessary. Go login to any MMO right now, rift, WoW, Tera, and you don't see 20 people in town jumping jumping jumping no. It's normal. They all just stand in one place. Occasionally you'll see someone running and jumping, but that's it.

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Originally Posted by Nox

so please ever knowing one, tell me how a toggle will be the oh so wonderful solution of turning jump off so you won't see the jump mechanic happen.

I'm dying to see what this would look like in game- not seeing a jump mechanic happen even though it is happening. /facepalm.

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The same would happen as if it were a cutscene/contextual jump of sorts.

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In the end this entire thread boils down to not wanting jump, which is why I said the devs are already adding it due to not only PLAYER request but because it is an MMO standard.

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Wrong.

1. It was requested as an "option" that people felt they couldn't live without.
2. It's being implemented as fanfare.

Those in support of adding jump as an "option" and/or because they couldn't live without have no right to oppose a toggle feature. Furthermore, it doesn't matter to those that aren't going to see it how it'd work; any attempt at opposing this toggle is blatant hypocrisy for those supporting the option to have jump implemented in the first place.

I think the answer should be:
No jump toggle, no gfx/animation toggles of any kind. All settings on high, if your machine can't handle it don't play. Don't want shadows/dust/physics/blah piss off we put them in you need to have them on.

Or just put in a jump toggle. IF jump is made more than just a /emote type thing then by all means make us all watch it all the time.

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Originally Posted by Enfarious

Dunno if you noticed but I said I can deal, and turn around. Saying a toggle would be worth something isn't QQing, not being able to jump and wanting it gone cause i just can't figure out how to make it work would be.

So your also saying here that your ability to read is less than the tits, it's a non-functional jump mechanic, hence "No purpose". So let me know how your fince hopping goes.

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Now since you're unable to read between the lines I'll make it simpler for you to understand. If you didn't noticed I used your statement as an example that if you can deal with it then so can others.

About the fence hopping. You see those Aetheryte camps? I want to jump over those fence. I'll let you know how it goes when they implement it, or you can help yourself and find out.

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Originally Posted by Nox

the interview doesn't specifically say we wont be able to jump over anything though. all we know is that we wont be able to evade anything with jump. I suppose a clarification from the devs would be nice.

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I got that they where just using evation as an example, and the fact that they said 'any' involves all aspects of gameplay.
Would love to be proven wrong though.

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Originally Posted by Keres

An easier solution would be "deal with it," IMO.

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Best post I've read this week! LOL.

I don't see where all this Dragoon hate is coming from. Jumping is part of our tradition. :(

Can I have a toggle thread?

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Originally Posted by Dragon

The same would happen as if it were a cutscene/contextual jump of sorts.



Wrong.

1. It was requested as an "option" that people felt they couldn't live without.
2. It's being implemented as fanfare.

Those in support of adding jump as an "option" and/or because they couldn't live without have no right to oppose a toggle feature. Furthermore, it doesn't matter to those that aren't going to see it how it'd work; any attempt at opposing this toggle is blatant hypocrisy for those supporting the option to have jump implemented in the first place.

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fanfare to what exactly? FFXIII-2 was the first FF game to ever have a jump mechanic. regardless my point still stands, Jump- whether we like it or not, is an MMO standard. I'm not against a toggle to turn jump off, I just honestly can't imagine how it won't look silly.

Seeing non human races ruins my immersion. Can I have a toggle that turns all roe/miqote/lala/elezen into hyur?

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Originally Posted by Isaaru

Can I have a toggle thread?

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Protip:

You can actually ignore users you don't like. Just click their name, then click "Add to Ignore List". And like magic, they're gone!

Forever.

I want a to toggle off cast animations they are stupid!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Andrien

Now since you're unable to read between the lines I'll make it simpler for you to understand. If you didn't noticed I used your statement as an example that if you can deal with it then so can others.

About the fence hopping. You see those Aetheryte camps? I want to jump over those fence. I'll let you know how it goes when they implement it, or you can help yourself and find out.

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Fair enough i mistook your meaning.

Yeah I'm not a fan of those fences, but if jumping is added w/ no actual function as has been said then those fences might as well stand 100' tall. We shall see, because really at the end of the day i don't like emote spam of any kind and that's what jumps are shaping up as. Eh I'm gonna go waste some more time on not getting anything from Iffy now.

Can i toggle off the letter "C" i don't like that letter.

I didn't read all of the pages, but with jumping, couldn't we use it from jumping down from higher ledges or up onto a high ledge? Just a thought of how it could be implimented.

This thread is a pretty good example of why pandering to the WoW crowd is a great way to turn your game to shit.

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Get a useless, annoying mechanic added because you got to spam it in other MMO's you played and will play after FFXIV because I very much doubt you'll be here that long.

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Berate, belittle, attack, mock, and condescend to anyone with the opposite opnion towards said addition because you got what you wanted and it is only natural to want to force it on everyone.

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I only hope you don't do too much damage before you get bored and flutter off.

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Originally Posted by Firon

I want a to toggle off cast animations they are stupid!!!!!

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I'm actually surprised they don't have this already, for the sake of performance, but that's a whole nother deal.

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Originally Posted by Zaaku

This thread is a pretty good example of why pandering to the WoW crowd is a great way to turn your game to shit.






I only hope you don't do too much damage before you get bored and flutter off.

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The only MMOs I ever played were XI and GW1.

I want a jump feature.

How about we, the playerbase, make suggestions and then allow the game developers to decide what is worth the resources or not based on player responses to suggestions.

Telling the game developers how to spend their resources isn't really a good idea since we have no idea what is going on behind the scenes.

I'm all for a /hide jump

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Originally Posted by Deltara

How about we, the playerbase, make suggestions and then allow the game developers to decide what is worth the resources or not based on player responses to suggestions.

Telling the game developers how to spend their resources isn't really a good idea since we have no idea what is going on behind the scenes.

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The XIV forums don't work like that. Me and some other guys asked for an option to have higher quality textures in 2.0, and we got told we were wrong.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

The XIV forums don't work like that. Me and some other guys asked for an option to have higher quality textures in 2.0, and we got told we were wrong.

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I've been shot down with this same excuse many times, and it gets old. It's unfortunate that we can't have a free expression of ideas without baseless claims overwhelming the logs. How do we even know what is worth the resources? How do we even know which team works on which aspects of the game and how much their current workload is stressing them relative to other departments?

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Originally Posted by Deltara

I've been shot down with this same excuse many times, and it gets old. It's unfortunate that we can't have a free expression of ideas without baseless claims overwhelming the logs. How do we even know what is worth the resources? How do we even know which team works on which aspects of the game and how much their current workload is stressing them relative to other departments?

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Also the rampant defense of Yoshida if you ask for anything.

Feedback is so important.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

The XIV forums don't work like that. Me and some other guys asked for an option to have higher quality textures in 2.0, and we got told we were wrong.

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I dunno.
They fixed the whole server merger issue before it began, the dumb color coded stat bonus feature, and fixed and apologized for a misleading translation flub. And all because people on the forums spoke up.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

Also the rampant defense of Yoshida if you ask for anything.

Feedback is so important.

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This is the killer, even when he says it's broken or not what they had intended people jump to defend the broken thing because well ... I have no clue why people defend those things. I think it's absurd when I read, "I don't like the feature or how it works but I don't think anyone should open their mouths about it because we shouldn't give feedback." or "It's not a great idea but I'm all for supporting this thing i don't really want to see." or "I hate that but I think it should stay because I don't want to hurt someones feelings."

We don't need to bash what's being done ever but a bit of healthy constructive feedback should be encouraged not bashed for no reason.

Update: My Iffy get nothing night is going perfectly so far, wins no drops lol

Ok so I opened WoW for 30 min stood in front of the AH watched trade chat to see if there was any good pick up groups to join and while waiting around I noticed 0 people spamming jump. I did see people jump as they went up the stairs, which isn't even required but imagine that 0 people sitting there spamming jump.

Some people on this forum get worked up over nothing. Games that have jump rarely have people sitting there spamming it all day.

Nope, the ones that says people jumps all the time probably never played WoW or games with jumps, latest game with jumps is GW2 if you want to check how many ppl jumping around, only used to jump on obstacles.

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Originally Posted by Zaaku

This thread is a pretty good example of why pandering to the WoW crowd is a great way to turn your game to shit.

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I know right? Having no jump feature really worked out for XIV for SE.

Oh wait the game got

4.0
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people who can't stop whining about adding jump are the exact people who are holding the game back