Relic Weapon Revival (06/06/2012)

It is bad.

1) Hamlet defense is boring as hell.
2) Seal drop rate is almost as low as a primal weapon.
3) Only 1 can drop from a single Hamlet and has low drop rate. Party is made of 8 ppl.
4) IF you have a static, it means you need 9*8 seals, 72 total. It means that you have to do 72 Hamlets (for no reason, lol) if the drop is 100%, but it's not, so in average you need to do 720 Hamlets to get enough seals fot your static.
(If you don't have a static, it can take an infinite amount of time, since it's not guaranteed you're getting the seal that drops)

It's like trading +72 primal wespons for this pre-req. How long does it take to get 72 primal weapons? And, come on, doing Ifrit or Moogle is nowhere as boring as doing Hamlets.

Not to mention the 25k seals key item. Why 25k seals? Just to make you seal farm for hours.

Garuda drop system was just fine. Too bad it was glitched, so nobody is doing it anymore.

I'm ok with hard content, but that's just stupid. It's far worse then moogle-pre req, or the awful drop rates we have now

Seal drop rate is not bad its the combined total time of doing the hamlet plus wait 15 min for it to be up again that makes it seem so low.

I can't really put input yet because I have not yet seen the stats on these weapons. If the stats don't make up for the work you have to put towards it, not many will do it. I do hope adjustments are made to Hamlet, because I actually find it boring myself.

Yes as Judge Xero points out, the way its worded implies that the Sealed Promissory Note is only required 1 time to flag the quest for activation.

Also for that little debate on WHM weapons... the best stat on a WHM weapon is VIT; Regen tick+ is far more useful than +MP, +Heal Pot unless you are capped on Regen tick increase.

lol @ "AF weapons will be added in a later patch, but you can start the quest in 1.22b" it reeeeally looks like a stall tactic to keep people from grinding through the weapons too quickly. Considering what happened with Garuda weapons, I'm not surprised...

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Originally Posted by Resheph

lol @ "AF weapons will be added in a later patch, but you can start the quest in 1.22b" it reeeeally looks like a stall tactic to keep people from grinding through the weapons too quickly. Considering what happened with Garuda weapons, I'm not surprised...

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moreso i think its just confirming for people HOW to get them so they can start working on them and know thats what they are working on

Square Enix is making Hamlet easyer. Why do you think lv2 is the max?.... It's because of these seals. Level 5 will come out and increased Point Scores also. Seals will be like a 20k pt item later on and new stuff will come out that's lv5 Hamlet.

Basically how you look at it, Square Enix simpely does'nt want us obtaining the gear that fast. It's main reason why max cap is lv2 instead of 5. Also I expect AF gear to be some what shitty/good. Like tripple meld VI and like tier2 Materia and boosting 15min Ability like.. Might Strikes, Burst and so on.

Question :

Does it confirmed to be 3x of each kind of seal? (total 9) ?
Because I remember that Jp and English has different kind of text, and I didn't know in the end as which one is correct. need confirmation from person who got the trade done.

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Originally Posted by Alise

Question :

Does it confirmed to be 3x of each kind of seal? (total 9) ?
Because I remember that Jp and English has different kind of text, and I didn't know in the end as which one is correct. need confirmation from person who got the trade done.

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I have the soiled promissory note. You need the 25k GC Seal book + 3 Vortex Seals + 3 Tremor Seals + Inferno Seals.

Has no one here done relic weapons in XI? It's basically the same exact thing, a huge grind made easier if you had a dedicated LS whose main goal in Dynamis was relic weapons. The only difference here is the RNG is more apparent since we only need 9 seals compared to 140k currency. Naturally, the drop rate has to be worse. Considering tons of people already have their notes, FFXIV Relics take MUCH less time to obtain. And yet people still bitch.

They're not meant for everyone, get over it.

15-20% drop rate IS low. Expecially if you consider that since the party is made of 8, the real % of 1 member getting 1 seal is 1-2%

It's like trading 9 Darklight equips just for the pre-quest.
Because the % to get 1 seal in a party of 8 is the same as getting 1 dl/hdl piece.

So unless there is something in the new SH to get them faster, this is going to take 700+ hamlets (average).

Relic weapons already?

Not the best idea. They shouldn't release something like that when the cap is still 50.

I wonder if they'll even have unique weapon skills like their FFXI counterparts.

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Originally Posted by Zezlar

I have the soiled promissory note. You need the 25k GC Seal book + 3 Vortex Seals + 3 Tremor Seals + Inferno Seals.

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also confirmed by a gm.

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Originally Posted by MeowyWowie

Has no one here done relic weapons in XI? It's basically the same exact thing, a huge grind made easier if you had a dedicated LS whose main goal in Dynamis was relic weapons. The only difference here is the RNG is more apparent since we only need 9 seals compared to 140k currency. Naturally, the drop rate has to be worse. Considering tons of people already have their notes, FFXIV Relics take MUCH less time to obtain. And yet people still bitch.

They're not meant for everyone, get over it.

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They took shorter then this is going to take.

doing maths, the average time to get the pre-req done in a static is 144 days (and this is not the relic quest yet). relics in ff11 usually take like 90 days or less.
Of course, if you are lucky it can take less... or longer.

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Originally Posted by Tano

They took shorter then this is going to take.

doing maths, the average time to get the pre-req done in a static is 144 days (and this is not the relic quest yet). relics in ff11 usually take like 90 days or less.

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90 days for 1 XI weapon (and that's if you're shouting for currency 24/7), 144 days for 8 XIV weapons. You're way off.

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Originally Posted by MeowyWowie

90 days for 1 XI weapon, 144 days for 8 XIV weapons. You're way off.

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Implying you know the quest already lol.

144 days is just to get the requirements to access the quest. And it can take longer if you're not lucky, or if you lose some times, or if you don't play for 5 hors every day.

It's like getting 9 darklight pieces.

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Originally Posted by Zezlar

I have the soiled promissory note. You need the 25k GC Seal book + 3 Vortex Seals + 3 Tremor Seals + Inferno Seals.

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Could u also tell if it is in inventory? (guess 1 per time) or it is key item? (many uses)

Not a good enough reason for me to wanna do hamlet.

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Originally Posted by ArkNova

Not a good enough reason for me to wanna do hamlet.

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800 times.

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Originally Posted by MeowyWowie

Has no one here done relic weapons in XI? It's basically the same exact thing, a huge grind made easier if you had a dedicated LS whose main goal in Dynamis was relic weapons. The only difference here is the RNG is more apparent since we only need 9 seals compared to 140k currency. Naturally, the drop rate has to be worse. Considering tons of people already have their notes, FFXIV Relics take MUCH less time to obtain. And yet people still bitch.

They're not meant for everyone, get over it.

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These are not the same degree of Relics like in XI these are just upgradable AF weps Legendary weps is on the scale of XI's Relics just to inform you and getting a relic wep in XI was not hard and you didn't need a dedicated ls just need money and ppl to kill things for you.

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Originally Posted by Alise

Could u also tell if it is in inventory? (guess 1 per time) or it is key item? (many uses)

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Key item, but my current assumption is that the key item will stay in our key items list until the very end of the relic weapon quest at which time Gerolt will take it. A lot of people seem to be getting ahead of themselves with the belief that this quest will not require another promissory note. I think it will.

This would be the PERFECT opportunity to put a gil sink in the game

A vendor...with seals for sell for 5mil each

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Originally Posted by Tano

They took shorter then this is going to take.

doing maths, the average time to get the pre-req done in a static is 144 days (and this is not the relic quest yet). relics in ff11 usually take like 90 days or less.
Of course, if you are lucky it can take less... or longer.

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Sorry, but we now have 8 notes, and it only took us 22 days.

Your math is fail.

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Originally Posted by Firon

These are not the same degree of Relics like in XI these are just upgradable AF weps Legendary weps is on the scale of XI's Relics just to inform you and getting a relic wep in XI was not hard and you didn't need a dedicated ls just need money and ppl to kill things for you.

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I never said XI relics were hard, I said they were a grind. I was almost done with my 2nd relic before I quit XI, self funded mind you. None of it was hard, just time consuming.

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Originally Posted by MeowyWowie

I never said XI relics were hard, I said they were a grind. I was almost done with my 2nd relic before I quit XI, self funded mind you. None of it was hard, just time consuming.

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The point is people are trying to make is they don't want RNG and, yes XI was a grind but every time you did dyna you got closer to your goal correct?

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Originally Posted by Firon

The point is people are trying to make yes XI was a grind but every time you did dyna you got closer to your goal correct?

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yes, but theres a HUGE difference between making progress towards needing like 10k of an item, and needing 9 of an item

the more you need to do to get it, the easier it is to see progress on a per run basis

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Originally Posted by MeowyWowie

90 days for 1 XI weapon (and that's if you're shouting for currency 24/7), 144 days for 8 XIV weapons. You're way off.

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Agree with you, can't believe people think this is worse than 11 relic weapons. Those took a year+ to complete when they were first released and that's focusing entirely on a single person's weapon.

Yeah, not really interested in Hamlet.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Agree with you, can't believe people think this is worse than 11 relic weapons. Those took a year+ to complete when they were first released and that's focusing entirely on a single person's weapon.

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I agree. Not sure what's wrong with the math here. But...

Given the Hamlet is @ lvl 3 and training to pull 90k per run, That's 8 hours per hamlet to get everyone their seals.

So if you sit and play for 4 hours when the battle Hamlet is up, just say 2 weeks of good runs. You can have all your seals. Then since you will be able to do any Caravan you want post 1.22b. Just go ahead and farm seals for whatever Hamlet needs to be provisioned, to boost Level.

2 Weeks of farming GC seals and Hamlet Seals, flag quest, done.
For those that are a little slower, you can have the quest flagged around the time 1.22c comes, which hopefully has further quests for the AF weapons.

you know what's funny. one of the patch notes could very well be, promissory note and seal rates have been adjusted. lol

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Originally Posted by Firon

He is just an idiot True story. People say they want this game less like XI but this game is far worse with content than XI IMO it just beats you like a slave till one day it sets you free with a random drop.

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FFXI hands you drops, allows you to go into god mode inside and outside of Abyssea.

True Story.

Ok, a lot of people are in defense of this saying that a) the drop rates are "not that bad" and b) if you don't want to put in the time you don't deserve to "have the best stuff" in the game.

The bottom line is, when did THIS become acceptable fun? Really, in 2012 with all the mmo's that have come and gone and all the examples why is THIS the BEST they can come up with. Hamlet Defense is void of interest, and that is because nobody wants to sink 300 runs in just for a small chance of getting the drop. This is not fun, this is tedious. I don't care if "that is how mmo's work". With all the talk about 2.0 being new and a fresh start and a game changer, this is just one horrible step backwards. Completing a simple task 1000 times is not a challenge, completing a complex and difficult task once IS!

There is absolutely no reason why this needs to be done this way. Why can't we have a series of complicated missions, with engaging story arch's and various path's we have to follow. Adversaries we have to engage in that relate to the independent story lines for the various jobs? Why can't they make use of popular game mechanics and the things we do like and are enjoying in order to implement this Relic gear quest.

So you have 400 Hamlet Defense runs under your belt, that doesn't make you a better player, it just means you have more free time.

Sorry, this is a fail.

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Oh let's not forget...this is the flag quest for Relic so this is just the pre-req for what no doubt will be another even more tedious time sinc with absolutely no time and effort put forth to engage the player base what so ever.

Unless the drop rates go up significantly with higher hamlet levels (assuming we even get them soon) this is going to be impossible to pug and be a really retarded grind.

I am fine with these weapons being long term if we are working towards it and not depending on a RNG system like dungeons. I want to know what I put in everyday is going towards something, not pulling a lever on a slot machine and hope for the best.

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Originally Posted by AmandaHuggenkiss

Sorry, but we now have 8 notes, and it only took us 22 days.

Your math is fail.

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took you a great amount of luck probably.
or you just played more then 5 hours every day (my calculation were with a reasonable amount of time for each day)

I don't give two fucks about these weapons. I'm not big into mindless grinds which is what hamlet is. The stats will also not justify the time requirement. They will be better than anything that is currently available but it will not be significant enough to justify the grind.

Of course all the grinders will grind it out, get the weapon and then surprise! Find out they have nothing to do except stand around in Uldah trying to look cool. 2.0 will be released the cap will raise and better weapons will be easily obtainable that are superior to the relics.

You people are like crackheads sometimes. SE dangles a cool looking piece of gear in front of you, you fanboy over it, grind it out then find that you've wasted over a month doing something that really has no benefits.

In 2012 a repetitive gear grind is not the way to make a compelling long-lasting MMO. Yes, there should be difficult to obtain weapons but this should be done through challenging battles and utilizing the crafting system to get people involved. Not rely on mindless grinds to procure a piece of gear that will serve very little purpose when 2.0 is released.

A gear grind is indicative of the old-school Japanese developer mentality that has grown stale over time and contributed to the stagnation of the Japanese game industry. The sad part is some of you clowns defend this design choice.

I want a difficult challenging game. Hamlet and procuring seals is not challenging.

P.S. I lol at the morons who let their LS lead or whoever get priority on a drop. This kind of crap is what ruined FFXI endgame for some. New members would be forced to act as slaves for the leaders to get them fully geared out. By the time they were finished, something new would come along and the less influential members would be left in the dust, their efforts having been put to waste.

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Originally Posted by Darkillumina

2.0 will be released the cap will raise and better weapons will be easily obtainable that are superior to the relics.

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yeah. that's why is stupid to make them so hard time sinking to get

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Originally Posted by Darkillumina

You people are like crackheads sometimes. SE dangles a cool looking piece of gear in front of you, you fanboy over it, grind it out then find that you've wasted over a month doing something that really has no benefits.

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Oh the irony is thick with this.

Your playing a MMO, in the same terms you are wasting months doing something that really has no benefit. Some people do it for fun, some people just do it to kill time.

Don't like the content that's fine but don't get all upity on everyone who feels this is worth the effort.

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Originally Posted by Hayden

Ok, a lot of people are in defense of this saying that a) the drop rates are "not that bad" and b) if you don't want to put in the time you don't deserve to "have the best stuff" in the game.

The bottom line is, when did THIS become acceptable fun? Really, in 2012 with all the mmo's that have come and gone and all the examples why is THIS the BEST they can come up with. Hamlet Defense is void of interest, and that is because nobody wants to sink 300 runs in just for a small chance of getting the drop. This is not fun, this is tedious. I don't care if "that is how mmo's work". With all the talk about 2.0 being new and a fresh start and a game changer, this is just one horrible step backwards. Completing a simple task 1000 times is not a challenge, completing a complex and difficult task once IS!

There is absolutely no reason why this needs to be done this way. Why can't we have a series of complicated missions, with engaging story arch's and various path's we have to follow. Adversaries we have to engage in that relate to the independent story lines for the various jobs? Why can't they make use of popular game mechanics and the things we do like and are enjoying in order to implement this Relic gear quest.

So you have 400 Hamlet Defense runs under your belt, that doesn't make you a better player, it just means you have more free time.

Sorry, this is a fail.

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Oh let's not forget...this is the flag quest for Relic so this is just the pre-req for what no doubt will be another even more tedious time sinc with absolutely no time and effort put forth to engage the player base what so ever.

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Apparently if you got a really coordinated group you can get 50k-60k runs get a big chest and the drop rate is like 10% then.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Oh the irony is thick with this.

Your playing a MMO, in the same terms you are wasting months doing something that really has no benefit. Some people do it for fun, some people just do it to kill time.

Don't like the content that's fine but don't get all upity on everyone who feels this is worth the effort.

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I knew this response was coming. Kudo's for throwing it out so early as useless as it is.

Any video game is inherently a waste of time we all know this. In an MMO the trick is creating content that is worthwhile outside of having you look cool that contributes overall to your progression and makes the player feel that their investment is worthwhile. In an interesting and compelling fashion. This is not compelling nor challenging.

Sighing in relief that you've finally procured an item through luck is not good game design. Trying to defend it otherwise is insane. Do this grind, enjoy it (somehow) but don't fucking excuse this bullshit as good game design.

At least in FFXI there were drops that required teamwork and hard work to get. Yes, there were grinds but it wasn't 100% grind like all the current content here is.