PvP is simply garbage

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Originally Posted by Dreadz

The draw-in of Blota ignores resilience huh. Vindicated, yet again.

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Yes because draw-in effects aren't covered by Resilience :p

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

pretty darn annoying huh?

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Annoying and stupid. Great to know that there is no counterplay, awesome game design.

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Originally Posted by Dreadz

Annoying and stupid. Great to know that there is no counterplay, awesome game design.

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Heres to hoping that they change this 'fun and amazing' gameplay :D

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

Heres to hoping that they change this 'fun and amazing' gameplay :D

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I fully expect them to somehow worsen the problems if they do anything more than add Fetterward or give an additional charge of purify.

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Originally Posted by Dreadz

The draw-in of Blota ignores resilience huh. Vindicated, yet again.

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The only thing being vindicated is that you're clearly bad at pvp.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

The only thing being vindicated is that you're clearly bad at pvp.

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Okay then Mr. PvP Expert, please tell me, how can I stop WAR from reeling me in with Blota, don't say some dumb shit like "Put up guard", because that require being clairvoyant

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Originally Posted by Ransu

So basically you're still just bad at pvp?

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ah yes the get good community at it again, They never like it when you point out when something is *obviously* bugged or wrong and thusly jump in before saying "Get good scub nya"
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Blota is super annoying in FL. I remember to got it 6 times back to back.

Ngl getting pulled via Biota and into a crowd might as well be Defeat rp

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Originally Posted by Dreadz

Okay then Mr. PvP Expert, please tell me, how can I stop WAR from reeling me in with Blota, don't say some dumb shit like "Put up guard", because that require being clairvoyant

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Don't be out of position? Guard after getting pulled or bait the pull by guarding if the war is out of position. If you're with your team then being pulled has little impact and can actually be a negative for the war if he goes to far forward to make the move.

PvP has some problems, some balance related but mostly server related, but most of your complaints are just you being bad.

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

ah yes the get good community at it again, They never like it when you point out when something is *obviously* bugged or wrong and thusly jump in before saying "Get good scub nya"
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Because like it or not, sometimes get good is the answer. I have my own issues with the new pvp, but a lot ya'lls complaints are just straight up being bad at the game, especially the complaints about being hard stuck in certain ranks in one of the easiest rating systems I've ever seen in a ranked pvp mode. Less so now that you can de-rank, but there was no excuse for season 1 and 2 lol.

If the crowd wasn't that bad they wouln't had to use 6 blotas on me :D

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Don't be out of position? Guard after getting pulled or bait the pull by guarding if the war is out of position. If you're with your team then being pulled has little impact and can actually be a negative for the war if he goes to far forward to make the move.

PvP has some problems, some balance related but mostly server related, but most of your complaints are just you being bad.



Because like it or not, sometimes get good is the answer. I have my own issues with the new pvp, but a lot ya'lls complaints are just straight up being bad at the game, especially the complaints about being hard stuck in certain ranks in one of the easiest rating systems I've ever seen in a ranked pvp mode. Less so now that you can de-rank, but there was no excuse for season 1 and 2 lol.

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"Theres nothing wrong with that thing you spoke of, you're just bad nya"
Crowd control needs to have diminishing returns, nobody likes getting pulled around and stunned for a hour every five seconds, the fact you are even defending this is sad.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Don't be out of position? Guard after getting pulled or bait the pull by guarding if the war is out of position. If you're with your team then being pulled has little impact and can actually be a negative for the war if he goes to far forward to make the move.

PvP has some problems, some balance related but mostly server related, but most of your complaints are just you being bad.



Because like it or not, sometimes get good is the answer. I have my own issues with the new pvp, but a lot ya'lls complaints are just straight up being bad at the game, especially the complaints about being hard stuck in certain ranks in one of the easiest rating systems I've ever seen in a ranked pvp mode. Less so now that you can de-rank, but there was no excuse for season 1 and 2 lol.

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its ok to be wrong.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Don't be out of position? Guard after getting pulled or bait the pull by guarding if the war is out of position. If you're with your team then being pulled has little impact and can actually be a negative for the war if he goes to far forward to make the move.

PvP has some problems, some balance related but mostly server related, but most of your complaints are just you being bad.

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Just what I expected, the usual obvious and useless advice like "Don't be out of position", yeah thanks, next you'll tell me not let myself get stunned, come off it. I could be fighting on the point with my team and a WAR outside of my FoV can just Blota me into his ranged or environmental hazard, so I guess playing the objective constitutes as being out of position. Next you're telling me to bait it, by wasting my guard the second I happen to glance at a WAR not fighting on the point? Again, come off it. The job has 3 ways of closing the gap between them and their opponents and 2 of them are CC that are unreactable.

To top this all off, you're telling me that my complaint of being CC'd whilst I have my resillence buff up, is just me being bad? Piss off idiot.

Gotta say, after hitting Crystal twice in CC, it's just the same mess of shit that SE clearly can't balance. Lack of DR, RNG one shots, shit netcode, abysmal class balancing, LBs being either laughably useless or broken with no rhyme or reason as to their actual cooldown/buildup time. If you don't abuse the broken shit you're just going to die over and over to people who do, and even then server ticks will sometimes just decide to fuck you over instead.

Just gotta face the fact that PvP in XIV will never be good, the foundation it's built upon is faulty, and anything they try and build on top of that will be doomed.

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Originally Posted by LifeupOmega

Gotta say, after hitting Crystal twice in CC, it's just the same mess of shit that SE clearly can't balance. Lack of DR, RNG one shots, shit netcode, abysmal class balancing, LBs being either laughably useless or broken with no rhyme or reason as to their actual cooldown/buildup time. If you don't abuse the broken shit you're just going to die over and over to people who do, and even then server ticks will sometimes just decide to fuck you over instead.

Just gotta face the fact that PvP in XIV will never be good, the foundation it's built upon is faulty, and anything they try and build on top of that will be doomed.

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This is the reality i am truly starting to accept sadly.

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Originally Posted by LifeupOmega

Gotta say, after hitting Crystal twice in CC, it's just the same mess of shit that SE clearly can't balance. Lack of DR, RNG one shots, shit netcode, abysmal class balancing, LBs being either laughably useless or broken with no rhyme or reason as to their actual cooldown/buildup time. If you don't abuse the broken shit you're just going to die over and over to people who do, and even then server ticks will sometimes just decide to fuck you over instead.

Just gotta face the fact that PvP in XIV will never be good, the foundation it's built upon is faulty, and anything they try and build on top of that will be doomed.

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After hitting gold and seeing the mess I can't help but agree this season isn't enjoyable. I mean last season wasn't too bad for me but this one woah its just madness had to stop rank cause it was getting to me

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Originally Posted by Dreadz

Just what I expected, the usual obvious and useless advice like "Don't be out of position", yeah thanks, next you'll tell me not let myself get stunned, come off it. I could be fighting on the point with my team and a WAR outside of my FoV can just Blota me into his ranged or environmental hazard, so I guess playing the objective constitutes as being out of position. Next you're telling me to bait it, by wasting my guard the second I happen to glance at a WAR not fighting on the point? Again, come off it. The job has 3 ways of closing the gap between them and their opponents and 2 of them are CC that are unreactable.

To top this all off, you're telling me that my complaint of being CC'd whilst I have my resillence buff up, is just me being bad? Piss off idiot.

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Telling people to not be out of position, to stop chasing enemies and to know when to push the attack or when to retreat is not useless advice. Saying that stuff like that is useless advice just goes to show that you have no interest in improving. Equally, being hunched up on the point is generally not the best option either. All of your complaints seem to come down to you just lacking awareness.

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

"Theres nothing wrong with that thing you spoke of, you're just bad nya"
Crowd control needs to have diminishing returns, nobody likes getting pulled around and stunned for a hour every five seconds, the fact you are even defending this is sad.

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I never said anything about DR. I've actually advocated for DR to return. Doesn't change the fact that most of ya'lls problems are at the fault of your poor play

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

its ok to be wrong.

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You've done nothing to counter what I have said, but hey, keep posting that dumb gif which is a perfect representation of players like you who get hard stuck in bronze in a game that's super easy to climb ranks in.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Telling people to not be out of position, to stop chasing enemies and to know when to push the attack or when to retreat is not useless advice. Saying that stuff like that is useless advice just goes to show that you have no interest in improving. Equally, being hunched up on the point is generally not the best option either. All of your complaints seem to come down to you just lacking awareness.

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It's useless advice, being in or out of position does not stop you from being CC'd, nor does it stop WAR from being able to pull you with Blota. There's only so many places you can be on the map whilst contributing. Melees are either playing on the point or harassing ranged and ranged are usually off the point dishing out damage. If a WAR pulls a range onto the point are you going to tell the ranged "You were out of position."?

The terrible map design only exacerbates this problem, 2 out 3 maps are nothing but long sightlines for ranged to harass melee with barely any corners for melee to play around, on maps like these, what exactly does it mean to be in position?

Ransu: Doesn't change the fact that most of ya'lls problems are at the fault of your poor play / in a game that's super easy to climb ranks in.

I thought we were past this....ur serious?

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Originally Posted by Dreadz

It's useless advice, being in or out of position does not stop you from being CC'd, nor does it stop WAR from being able to pull you with Blota. There's only so many places you can be on the map whilst contributing. Melees are either playing on the point or harassing ranged and ranged are usually off the point dishing out damage. If a WAR pulls a range onto the point are you going to tell the ranged "You were out of position."?

The terrible map design only exacerbates this problem, 2 out 3 maps are nothing but long sightlines for ranged to harass melee with barely any corners for melee to play around, on maps like these, what exactly does it mean to be in position?

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And for true melee dps ( not ninja or drg ) these problems are MUCH harder to counter

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Telling people to not be out of position, to stop chasing enemies and to know when to push the attack or when to retreat is not useless advice. Saying that stuff like that is useless advice just goes to show that you have no interest in improving. Equally, being hunched up on the point is generally not the best option either. All of your complaints seem to come down to you just lacking awareness.



I never said anything about DR. I've actually advocated for DR to return. Doesn't change the fact that most of ya'lls problems are at the fault of your poor play



You've done nothing to counter what I have said, but hey, keep posting that dumb gif which is a perfect representation of players like you who get hard stuck in bronze in a game that's super easy to climb ranks in.

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Bro you literally walk in here calling people 'bad' for having very very valid criticisms at the mode over all then proceed to double down after being called out for your ignorance by BASICALLY saying 'The games not bad, you're just bad' do you have any idea what that makes you look like here? you look like a troll or a fool.

Before you even THINK of calling me of all people bad, I will have you know i have the field commander coat, Slaughterhouse title (1,500 kills away from Hand of mercy) AND i was plat in CC. So i think you better think loooong and hard before you start assuming i have nothing to counter your argument with. You came here with literally NO argument based in fact, while we are pointing at the issues and saying they need to be fixed. You had no argument to begin with.

The field commander coat and the slaughter house title are things that are not hard to get....its just a grind lmao. Also, plat....really? Neat I guess? That's not really a rank to be bragging about when that's basically the middle of the pack that I wouldn't even call average considering how easy it was to get to crystal in season 1 and 2. I'm no pro, but getting 1k crystal rating twice says a lot more about my skill than you being stuck in plat. So ya, you have nothing to really counter with and I stand by my statement. Ya'lls complaints are basically coming from poor play.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

The field commander coat and the slaughter house title are things that are not hard to get....its just a grind lmao. Also, plat....really? Neat I guess? That's not really a rank to be bragging about when that's basically the middle of the pack that I wouldn't even call average considering how easy it was to get to crystal in season 1 and 2. I'm no pro, but getting 1k crystal rating twice says a lot more about my skill than you being stuck in plat. So ya, you have nothing to really counter with and I stand by my statement. Ya'lls complaints are basically coming from poor play.

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Hey guys see this dude? hes here to troll and annoy people, ignore him because hes irrelevant. if he continues to press the issue just report him for griefing. the fact he replied the way he did just proves my earlier point. side note, the fact you got 1k crystal rating twice means nothing to me, you probably win traded.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

The field commander coat and the slaughter house title are things that are not hard to get....its just a grind lmao. Also, plat....really? Neat I guess? That's not really a rank to be bragging about when that's basically the middle of the pack that I wouldn't even call average considering how easy it was to get to crystal in season 1 and 2. I'm no pro, but getting 1k crystal rating twice says a lot more about my skill than you being stuck in plat. So ya, you have nothing to really counter with and I stand by my statement. Ya'lls complaints are basically coming from poor play.

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Whats funny is...the same issues we are highlighting are also being discussed in the biggest pvp discord as well. They also acknowledge that CC is a mess right now... I guess that is sheer coincidence too huh???

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Originally Posted by MonteCristo

Whats funny is...the same issues we are highlighting are also being discussed in the biggest pvp discord as well. They also acknowledge that CC is a mess right now... I guess that is sheer coincidence too huh???

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the guy probably has no idea what hes talking about lol

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Originally Posted by Dreadz

It's useless advice, being in or out of position does not stop you from being CC'd, nor does it stop WAR from being able to pull you with Blota. There's only so many places you can be on the map whilst contributing. Melees are either playing on the point or harassing ranged and ranged are usually off the point dishing out damage. If a WAR pulls a range onto the point are you going to tell the ranged "You were out of position."?

The terrible map design only exacerbates this problem, 2 out 3 maps are nothing but long sightlines for ranged to harass melee with barely any corners for melee to play around, on maps like these, what exactly does it mean to be in position?

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Its only useless advice to players who don't want to look at themselves. You are exactly the player that probably chases and runs into a 4v2 situation causing the respawns to continue to stagger. And if a ranged gets pulled by a war btw....yes 99% of the time that ranged player was way out of position or wasn't paying attention and didn't fall back when the fight was lost. If the ranged is where they should be and gets pulled by a war and your team fails to kill the war that was grossly over extending then the problem is your team being bad for not taking the free kill. Sucks when that happens, but that's the coin flip you get sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

Hey guys see this dude? hes here to troll and annoy people, ignore him because hes irrelevant. if he continues to press the issue just report him for griefing. the fact he replied the way he did just proves my earlier point. side note, the fact you got 1k crystal rating twice means nothing to me, you probably win traded.

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Then why has over 50% of the players in CC had no problem getting the crystal achievement? By your logic they all just win traded, which is ridiculous. If I was gonna win trade I'd push it to the top 100, not a mediocre 1k score. Pointing out the flaws in peoples arguments is not trolling. The game has balance problems, it has network problems as well, but yet again, most of ya'lls complains are almost entirely skill problems. Yes we need DR, yes the game is stun heavy, and things like taken damage after guard was up is frustrating, but its not so extreme that its preventing players from climbing. That's a you problem for failing to adapt.

Pointing out flaws in your "arguments" (which in your case you never had one, you just posted a stupid gif and never actually made any kind of counter argument) is not trolling and calling me a troll just goes to show that you really have no argument.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Its only useless advice to players who don't want to look at themselves. You are exactly the player that probably chases and runs into a 4v2 situation causing the respawns to continue to stagger. And if a ranged gets pulled by a war btw....yes 99% of the time that ranged player was way out of position or wasn't paying attention and didn't fall back when the fight was lost. If the ranged is where they should be and gets pulled by a war and your team fails to kill the war that was grossly over extending then the problem is your team being bad for not taking the free kill. Sucks when that happens, but that's the coin flip you get sometimes.



Then why has over 50% of the players in CC had no problem getting the crystal achievement? By your logic they all just win traded, which is ridiculous. If I was gonna win trade I'd push it to the top 100, not a mediocre 1k score. Pointing out the flaws in peoples arguments is not trolling. The game has balance problems, it has network problems as well, but yet again, most of ya'lls complains are almost entirely skill problems. Yes we need DR, yes the game is stun heavy, and things like taken damage after guard was up is frustrating, but its not so extreme that its preventing players from climbing. That's a you problem for failing to adapt.

Pointing out flaws in your "arguments" (which in your case you never had one, you just posted a stupid gif and never actually made any kind of counter argument) is not trolling and calling me a troll just goes to show that you really have no argument.

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dude, im literally telling you you're argument is literally invalid and i have no reason to take you seriously at all. infact i skimmed past all of what you said for the most part. you're now talking to the wall.

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

dude, im literally telling you you're argument is literally invalid and i have no reason to take you seriously at all. infact i skimmed past all of what you said for the most part. you're now talking to the wall.

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I haven't taken you seriously from the start, less so when you mentioned you hard capped into plat, so we're even I guess. Stay bad and never improve.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

I haven't taken you seriously from the start, less so when you mentioned you hard capped into plat, so we're even I guess. Stay bad and never improve.

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Whether you like it or not, it is an undeniable fact that this new PvP system removed the skill gap between normal players and veterans.
If this is still 5.0 DR system, most of people post here don’t event stand a chance in PvP.
The complexity of PvP rotations also has been simplified in a way that normal players can output same damage as veterans
The only jobs left still demanding skill to play is Reaper, Monk, and Dancer (personal opinion)
I really don’t see why you guys want to complain about something allows you to perform well to begin with
I am 100% agree I prefer 5.0 DR system but is it really what you want?

5.0 pvp wasn't all that complex either....Unless you enjoyed immortal healers.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Whether you like it or not, it is an undeniable fact that this new PvP system removed the skill gap between normal players and veterans.
If this is still 5.0 DR system, most of people post here don’t event stand a chance in PvP.
The complexity of PvP rotations also has been simplified in a way that normal players can output same damage as veterans
The only jobs left still demanding skill to play is Reaper, Monk, and Dancer (personal opinion)
I really don’t see why you guys want to complain about something allows you to perform well to begin with
I am 100% agree I prefer 5.0 DR system but is it really what you want?

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lol nah dude, im all for removing DR all together because fights that last ages are dumb, nobody wants to have to go and get 4 people to kill ONE tank.. I literally posted a thread that lists a bunch of changes I and a bunch of others would rather have instead of whatever the current garbage system is.

All of this over someone recognizing that Blota has higher priority over Purify's Resilience...

Was all of this really necessary?

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Originally Posted by Ransu

5.0 pvp wasn't all that complex either....Unless you enjoyed immortal healers.

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There is always an issue in every expansion
2.3 is Ninja
3.0 is Machinest burst that zero out target HP from 100% to 0% minutes n 4 GCDs
4.0 is War with burst and high HP

Nothing new really, it is just you need to adopt and anticipate

I've reached a conclusion, CC is absolute trash and so are the Job bull**** abilities along with it, especially Monks that piss me off to no end.

At first I liked the PVP changes, but now I'm seeing the funny side.

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

lol nah dude, im all for removing DR all together because fights that last ages are dumb, nobody wants to have to go and get 4 people to kill ONE tank.. I literally posted a thread that lists a bunch of changes I and a bunch of others would rather have instead of whatever the current garbage system is.

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Your suggestion was pretty much revert PvP back to 5.0
It will not be 5 of you kill that tank, it is more that tank will kill 5 of you by himself in 5.o
PLD alone best every ranges and I honestly miss 5.0 PLD

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

There is always an issue in every expansion
2.3 is Ninja
3.0 is Machinest burst that zero out target HP from 100% to 0% minutes n 4 GCDs
4.0 is War with burst and high HP

Nothing new really, it is just you need to adopt and anticipate

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That's fine and all, good players always adapt, but that doesn't change the fact that the prior pvp combat was not really all that complex. The pvp needed to be sped up and its exactly what they did as TTK has been an issue for awhile with the old pvp. I do miss things like DR and old mnk was a lot more fun in pvp with its burst windows, I still think the baseline of current pvp is better. It just needs to be tinkered with more.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Your suggestion was pretty much revert PvP back to 5.0
It will not be 5 of you kill that tank, it is more that tank will kill 5 of you by himself in 5.o
PLD alone best every ranges and I honestly miss 5.0 PLD

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good, sounds like 5.0 would be better then this nonsense anyway. skill should be held higher then appeasing casuals

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Originally Posted by Mistress_Irika

All of this over someone recognizing that Blota has higher priority over Purify's Resilience...

Was all of this really necessary?

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take that up with the Resident troll, i simply pointed out the dude was Crap stirring and that he should be treated as such.