Paladins Invuln Capping in Onsal Hakkar

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10-10-2022, 09:10 PM
Mandudez

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Originally Posted by Arzalis

It's only fairly recently the JPN playerbase started complaining about it too, so I'd believe they're finally changing it.

How it usually goes.

So next time we should just all make alts on JP servers to make them care about the issue. How sad.
10-11-2022, 04:38 AM
Llynethil

Good, now remove the dr from everyone in frontline and maybee it'll be kind of good somewhat again.
10-12-2022, 07:56 AM
Karasio

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Originally Posted by Llynethil

Good, now remove the dr from everyone in frontline and maybee it'll be kind of good somewhat again.

Nah removing it as a whole is also kinda shit. It needs to be more finely tuned than "DURR ALL MELEE TAKE 60% LESS DAMAGE"
10-12-2022, 10:37 AM
Elfidan

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Originally Posted by Karasio

Nah removing it as a whole is also kinda shit. It needs to be more finely tuned than "DURR ALL MELEE TAKE 60% LESS DAMAGE"

Amen! What happened to future adjustments to come. xD
10-13-2022, 02:42 AM
Divinemights

Sure, remove Guardian and gives PLD a Knock back
10-14-2022, 01:48 AM
Blinding_Awesomeness

When you suk at fighting but can still win with a few cheesy pallies.

https://i.imgur.com/eHx8pyl.png

(I was on blue team.)
10-14-2022, 02:57 AM
TabrisOmbrelame

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Originally Posted by Blinding_Awesomeness

When you suk at fighting but can still win with a few cheesy pallies.

https://i.imgur.com/eHx8pyl.png

(I was on blue team.)

Those score look so dumb... and only because of PLD Cover abuse
10-14-2022, 05:21 AM
Towa-Musa

thank god they announced they are fixing it.
10-18-2022, 07:08 PM
Garten

We were right.. i'm Sorry (not Sorry) but this time Is a big f.u. to everyone that was saying that was "as intended".
10-19-2022, 02:18 AM
Thamorian

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Originally Posted by Garten

We were right.. i'm Sorry (not Sorry) but this time Is a big f.u. to everyone that was saying that was "as intended".

It was working as intended though. Just because it was working as intended doesn't mean SE can't change it per player feedback.
10-19-2022, 03:59 AM
Mandudez

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Originally Posted by Thamorian

It was working as intended though. Just because it was working as intended doesn't mean SE can't change it per player feedback.

Just as long as that player feedback is Japanese.
10-20-2022, 10:30 AM
Kedrah

The patch notes said that it was an unintended use of Guardian, for what that's worth. Either way I'm so thankful that it's been fixed.
10-21-2022, 01:32 AM
tsuchii

Can confirm it's been patched.
RIP carrying an entire alliance on Onsal. Thank god I got my mount already. Onsal is back to being Seal Rock RNG Bonanza version 2.
10-21-2022, 01:40 AM
MintnHoney

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Originally Posted by tsuchii

Can confirm it's been patched.
RIP carrying an entire alliance on Onsal. Thank god I got my mount already. Onsal is back to being Seal Rock RNG Bonanza version 2.

Just as god intended.
10-21-2022, 04:30 AM
Karasio

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Originally Posted by tsuchii

Can confirm it's been patched.
RIP carrying an entire alliance on Onsal. Thank god I got my mount already. Onsal is back to being Seal Rock RNG Bonanza version 2.

Onsal is pretty easy. You didn't deserve those wins, sorry not sorry.
10-21-2022, 04:52 AM
Towa-Musa

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Originally Posted by Mandudez

Just as long as that player feedback is Japanese.

do you think if i learned how to read and write japanese they would value my opinion more?
10-21-2022, 05:32 AM
TabrisOmbrelame

Just finished an Onsal and oh my god, I couldn't stop laugh ! I saw paladin trying to "cover cap" all around, not having a clue that it doesn't work anymore and just being utterly destroyed !

Funniest Battleground ever !
10-21-2022, 09:18 AM
Deveryn

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

do you think if i learned how to read and write japanese they would value my opinion more?

If the western audience could learn to present good feedback without dissolving into a shitshow every time, they might hear us better.
10-21-2022, 10:48 AM
Towa-Musa

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

If the western audience could learn to present good feedback without dissolving into a shitshow every time, they might hear us better.

nah they're just prideful and xenophobic, sure we got some bad apples here but theres no reason to /not/ listen to the good ones.
10-21-2022, 03:40 PM
Kansene

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Originally Posted by TabrisOmbrelame

Just finished an Onsal and oh my god, I couldn't stop laugh ! I saw paladin trying to "cover cap" all around, not having a clue that it doesn't work anymore and just being utterly destroyed !

Funniest Battleground ever !

Had a similar thing happen yesterday. Lots of times I'd see paladins awkwardly hanging around next to the node in the middle of an enemy zerg, then get annihilated when their invul ran out, accomplishing nothing but feeding BH.

We lost the match, but it was close, and I finally had a good time in there again.
10-21-2022, 08:33 PM
Karasio

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

If the western audience could learn to present good feedback without dissolving into a shitshow every time, they might hear us better.

There is valuable feedback here. But when people feel like they're being ignored for so long (case in point, onsal invuln capping), no shit they get bitter and start throwing around insults. First reports of the "intended-unintended" interaction came in around April and were fixed mid October. Between that time period people were talking about it nonstop, but nothing was being done, no matter how the feedback was being phrased. It's plain to see the western side of the forum just isn't being read whatsoever
10-23-2022, 05:39 AM
Llynethil

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

If the western audience could learn to present good feedback without dissolving into a shitshow every time, they might hear us better.

Plenty of people have given great suggestions for changing it for the last several months, and it all fell on deaf ears.
10-23-2022, 08:26 AM
tsuchii

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Originally Posted by Karasio

Onsal is pretty easy. You didn't deserve those wins, sorry not sorry.

Bitter much? Don't really care how it's done. Won anyway. I got all my Frontline mounts - 3 horses, 3 orbs, 1 robot, I'm now with that godawful excuse for a PVP
10-24-2022, 01:15 AM
Karasio

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Originally Posted by tsuchii

Bitter much? Don't really care how it's done. Won anyway. I got all my Frontline mounts - 3 horses, 3 orbs, 1 robot, I'm now with that godawful excuse for a PVP

Nah I'm just saying you're shit at the already simple pvp lmao. I didn't encounter a single one of those cringe nae nae babies trying the exploit lmao. You just don't deserve those mounts, that's all :)
10-24-2022, 11:54 AM
tsuchii

Cry all you want. LOL I got them A L L. Hahaha
10-24-2022, 11:40 PM
Karasio

I've had them for years. Cringe kid
10-25-2022, 01:30 PM
Arzalis

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

If the western audience could learn to present good feedback without dissolving into a shitshow every time, they might hear us better.

No. SE has pretty consistently ignored the western playerbase on feedback. We basically don't have community managers or anything to aggregate and communicate feedback to them.

This issue is the most obvious example. We've been trying to bring attention to it for 6+ months and literally nothing changed or was acknowledged. The JP playerbase started talking about it a month or so ago when it became more widespread there, and it's changed relatively quickly. Even mentioned a few weeks ahead of time.

We were pretty blatantly ignored.
10-27-2022, 01:43 AM
Deveryn

Whether that's true or not doesn't change my stance. The English section is generally a joke because it's overloaded with so many memes and personal attacks.

Let's keep an eye on this one shining example of a good post and see what happens. I think it's just going to get drowned out by the rest because folks just can't help themselves, but we'll see.
10-27-2022, 01:55 AM
Dionysius

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Originally Posted by Arzalis

No. SE has pretty consistently ignored the western playerbase on feedback.
We were pretty blatantly ignored.

Wait, I thought V&C was mostly requested by Western player. Oh wait, doesn't healer have more heals to do this Tier due to amount of feedback from this particular forum?
Also wait, the big timer skill cooldown also because western players asking for add-on replacement.

I think it's the opposite, they've consistently listened to feedbacks but players just want "ALL" their feedbacks to be heard.
It's just most of the time "You think you want it, but you don't" - J. Allen Brack
10-28-2022, 08:56 AM
Brill_

With pld cheese gone, we can get back to the real problem with onsal and seal rock, rng. Sucks to lose because all the S ranks spawn on one teams door step.
10-28-2022, 09:49 PM
Karasio

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Originally Posted by Brill_

With pld cheese gone, we can get back to the real problem with onsal and seal rock, rng. Sucks to lose because all the S ranks spawn on one teams door step.

It's not that bad with onsal since you can just zerg rush the team in the lead even if you don't get the point. Seal rock just needs to be thanos snapped though.
10-29-2022, 01:50 AM
Jettinson

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Originally Posted by Brill_

With pld cheese gone, we can get back to the real problem with onsal and seal rock, rng. Sucks to lose because all the S ranks spawn on one teams door step.

Those are not bad, the worst ones are 2 close high rank ovoos spawning near your base which most the time you will end up losing both because it is a 1v1v1 so one team will get the point, allowing to gain advantage and potentially flank you

It is the only part where it is really hard finding a proper counter because, you cannot allow to split at all and have to go all in to wipe the team fast (which is almost impossible because we have stalling jobs, so imagine a DRK or PLD using their 10 second LB followed by Ninjas with Doton, Machinist turret etc, those seconds are enough to give the 3rd team to capture the uncontested ovoo and possibly win)
11-01-2022, 06:58 PM
PangTong

I find RNG is only really bad in Seal Rock because the map is so huge and the nodes are frequently in inaccessible locations that highly favour one team (most obvious example is the node on the top of the big ramp in the caves near the middle). In Onsal, the map is a lot smaller and nodes are more accessible so it doesn't feel quite so unfair (except when you get S ranks spawning right next to an enemy's spawn or NO nodes spawning near you). In Onsal I generally feel like the team that played better wins, but in Seal Rock the winner is based mainly on node spawns. I would like the Seal Rock map to be designed if possible.

The bigger factor of RNG is not whether nodes spawn near you but rather how the spawns encourage the teams to move. Like, if right at the start of the match an A rank spawns between two teams, those two teams will end up getting locked in battle for ages with neither team willing to surrender that one node. Meanwhile the third team is running around picking up all the other spawns for free and getting an enormous lead. That sort of thing happens a lot, but it's totally down to the behaviour of the players. It could be totally avoided if teams could play strategically (even though they can't), so I can't really put it down to the RNG of the nodes.
11-02-2022, 01:59 AM
Deveryn

RNG is what keeps it interesting and it's not really an excuse. I always say it's a collective (lack of) effort that decides a team's place at the end.

PLD is no longer a problem, so let's grant this thread some much needed rest. :rolleyes:

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