Broken Lottery, Please Rollback

You are fooling yourselves if you think they're doing a roll back over this LMAO

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Originally Posted by Faafetai

Many fc's didn't bid on multiple plots. They should be able to allow for the only person in an fc who bid on a plot against no one to win that plot. I am purposely not excepting the refund in hopes it serves as proof I bid on that plot and was the only one to do so. I should have been counted as the only participant and won the plot by default as so many others should have. The fact that you could lose to no one is painful. I wish to also know if people will be barred the 30 days before bidding again, so one person from my fc will have to bid instead of me. Which thank the gods I was the only one who bid this time around and we didn't go all in on not winning.

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I think they should very much grant the solo bidders on plots the ability to claim, just that there would likely be issues if they tried to automatically forgo the claim process and just assign the houses/relocations. At least they're able to stall the current lotto phase so they can work through it without the timer ticking down. The 30 day thing is just the time someone has to have been in the fc before they can make a bid on behalf of the fc. As long as you don't leave the fc, once you've hit the initial 30 days and have relevant permissions you can continue to bid on behalf of the fc.

I agree 100 percent!

I think you some of you are getting way too technical and some of the posts are convoluted when they need not be. A lot of people make great points, but regardless of what they did, the RNG code is created by a person, and they inputted 0 as one of the possible choices for output. I have coded in Python and Mathematica before, and if you import random, and then you list the parameters, e.g. list=1,2,3,4,5... It is pretty easy to see, that when they listed their parameters for the housing lottery system, they included 0 (zero) in the list of possible choices that could be rolled. If they did in fact did put zero into their list, as in: listhousing or list1 (whatever you want to call it) = 0,1,2,3,4,5..., when as stated earlier, it should have been list1=1,2,3,4,5...

If what I stated is correct, then in all fairness, they should roll back EVERYONE's bids, because if 0 (zero) was counted as a possible RNG choice, then EVERY roll is invalidated and needs to be done again. I know it sucks for some people, but in all fairness, if zero (0) was included, then redoing it is the most fair solution.

This is unbelievingly disappointing. Like a lot of people here I was the only participant in the bid for a plot and did not win. Speaking for myself, after finishing the main EW MSQ relatively quickly I have spent the last few months just waiting for housing. It was the next big ticket activity in the game as far as I am concerned and now this. I am actually not sure what I will do if I don't end up getting a house, not sure if the game is really worth playing right now without it. Just so disappointed.

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

I think they should very much grant the solo bidders on plots the ability to claim, just that there would likely be issues if they tried to automatically forgo the claim process and just assign the houses/relocations. At least they're able to stall the current lotto phase so they can work through it without the timer ticking down. The 30 day thing is just the time someone has to have been in the fc before they can make a bid on behalf of the fc. As long as you don't leave the fc, once you've hit the initial 30 days and have relevant permissions you can continue to bid on behalf of the fc.

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okay good >.< I remember something being said about if you bid on a house you could not bid on another one for 30 days because you would be on some kind of cooldown. I was worried I wouldn't be able to bid again and have to have someone else from the fc to do it, but it would have sucked if we all bid on the same plot and we all end on a cooldown and if we had to bid again we would not be able to. The thing that really makes me more upset than anything is this is literally a simple if then statement you learn when you start coding. if true do. If only one person bids they win. There should not have been an entry invisible 0. This honestly blows my mind in a bad way. I may not be explaining this properly, but this is the most simple of coding errors and they make it sound complex. I never want to see their code. I would cry, and quit the company.

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Originally Posted by SuperSxyNerd

You are fooling yourselves if you think they're doing a roll back over this LMAO

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I don't want a rollback, I want my fair win to actually happen instead of losing to no one.

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Originally Posted by HuaTuo

I was among the lucky ones who won their house, already applied expensive house skin (shirogane castle walls, large), and put down some long carried decorations, trees and whatnot. The idea that all of it will get scrapped and i'd have to go through all this AIDS again is just as absurd andfirmly believe they won't do that. What I do want tho, is that the ppl who lost to ZERO, those ppl should be re-run. And if they were the only participants, they should be given the house outright. Sure, put some human resources into it and sort it out, possible the coder genius who is about to be fired for this, let them atone by fixing it individually!!! Might take a few days. But rolling EVERYONE back?? no, that's just NOT going to happen.

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In Lodestone Yoship already stated that this is a major issue. You are winning based on code that has major issue in it. So it's not a win, but an unintended win, in other word glitch, and they should respect the others that don't win, not just that one dude that happen to appear winning because of that glitch.

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Originally Posted by Heh

In Lodestone Yoship already stated that this is a major issue. You are winning based on code that has major issue in it. So it's not a win, but an unintended win, in other word glitch, and they should respect the others that don't win, not just that one dude that happen to appear winning because of that glitch.

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They aren't going to remove houses from the winners who cashed in. They will most like reroll the houses affected by the 0 glitch. There are lots of people who accepted the bids/wins and who have already set up their houses. Expecting a complete roll back is wishful thinking by those who got affected by the bug and frankly from those who lost the lottery and who would simply like a reroll.

I suspect just about everyone who saw they lost got a refund already and they can't be put back into the lottery for rerolls.

If the people who won faced against the number zero, and their number was selected, technically they won fair and square. A person won, not loose data that shouldn't have been there in the first place. No one who actually won a house should have their house relinquished. I have thought low of these forums before, but I have never thought people would stoop this low, and hope for other peoples houses to be relinquished. I'm for adding more housing for every player, but this comes off entitled as heck, and isn't the way we're going to solve the problem as a community.

We can do better than this. Blame the problem at hand, and not the people. I know its a bitter subject, but try to be happy for those who got houses. We have been trying just like you. I hope you get yours next time, and I sincerely hope they add more personal houses than just these FC plots. The update was not geared well toward at least those in North American Data Centers. We don't need as many FC houses as Japan does. Hopefully they'll double the amount of wards in the future, and roulette off the spare FC house plots that don't get claimed. Just leave our houses alone. I have been fighting for a plot since Heavensward was relevant. I know many others who have been fighting to. I hope we all get our chance. Believe me, but put your salt in a better place.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

If the people who won faced against the number zero, and their number was selected, technically they won fair and square. A person won, not loose data that shouldn't have been there in the first place. No one who actually won a house should have their house relinquished. I have thought low of these forums before, but I have never thought people would stoop this low, and hope for other peoples houses to be relinquished. I'm for adding more housing for every player, but this comes off entitled as heck, and isn't the way we're going to solve the problem as a community.

We can do better than this. Blame the problem at hand, and not the people. I know its a bitter subject, but try to be happy for those who got houses. We have been trying just like you. I hope you get yours next time, and I sincerely hope they add more personal houses than just these FC plots. The update was not geared well toward at least those in North American Data Centers. We don't need as many FC houses as Japan does. Hopefully they'll double the amount of wards in the future, and roulette off the spare FC house plots that don't get claimed. Just leave our houses alone. I have been fighting for a plot since Heavensward was relevant. I know many others who have been fighting to. I hope we all get our chance. Believe me, but put your salt in a better place.

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That is assuming the bug is simply the RNG rolls 0-10, instead of 1-10.
From what I've read on Lodestone, it's a major issue and the problem involves lottery conditions.
Therefore it's not simply rolling zero as additional participants, but some participants that should've been there might not be counted due to failing to meet the condition.

I think there were some unintended bugs with the lottery system. However, I wonder if 0 was intentional. Did they plan on having situations where no winner was awarded in order to have plots available for subsequent lotteries? Otherwise most if not all plots would have been claimed in the first draw, leaving the lottery feature worthless at least for the foreseeable future.

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Originally Posted by Redline507

I think there were some unintended bugs with the lottery system. However, I wonder if 0 was intentional. Did they plan on having situations where no winner was awarded in order to have plots available for subsequent lotteries? Otherwise most if not all plots would have been claimed in the first draw, leaving the lottery feature worthless at least for the foreseeable future.

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Do you mean they might have made it so that no one won on purpose to leave houses open for the next lotto?
If so imo i doubt it, if there were say 2 friends that bided on the 1 house and neither of them won and they were the only bidders, well then questions would be raised.

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Originally Posted by Heh

That is assuming the bug is simply the RNG rolls 0-10, instead of 1-10.
From what I've read on Lodestone, it's a major issue and the problem involves lottery conditions.
Therefore it's not simply rolling zero as additional participants, but some participants that should've been there might not be counted due to failing to meet the condition.

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Even if this did end up being the case, they'll acknowledge the mistake, apologize and may go so far as to rush in additional plots. They won't, however, rollback the entire system due to it having a far greater impact on more players. It isn't as simple as flicking a switch and everything returns to exactly as it were fifteens before the lottery resolved. If that were even a conversation, they'd have already announced it.

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Originally Posted by Markfresh

Do you mean they might have made it so that no one won on purpose to leave houses open for the next lotto?
If so imo i doubt it, if there were say 2 friends that bided on the 1 house and neither of them won and they were the only bidders, well then questions would be raised.

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I was the only bidder on the plot. Yet I lost to zero. The same happened to many people on my server. In the ward I placed my bid on, almost all the plots had 2 or less bidders with most having 1. Of the available plots only about 15% have been claimed. The rest all lost to zero. This was either bad/overlooked code or they did this intentionally to have plots for future lotteries. Not saying it was a good move, but how did this pass testing/QC unless it was possibly their intention from the beginning.

well let me just clarify this. a ZERO was never intended to win, that theory some people are spouting here, that somehow SE intended for some houses to be unclaimed, just no, even SE cannot be this retarded. In support of this, you can see multiple posts on Lodestone when they are saying that the zero win was unintended and they're addressing it. Jeez, worse disinfo than twitter on here! lol

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Originally Posted by Redline507

I was the only bidder on the plot. Yet I lost to zero. The same happened to many people on my server. In the ward I placed my bid on, almost all the plots had 2 or less bidders with most having 1. Of the available plots only about 15% have been claimed. The rest all lost to zero. This was either bad/overlooked code or they did this intentionally to have plots for future lotteries. Not saying it was a good move, but how did this pass testing/QC unless it was possibly their intention from the beginning.

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No one lost to 0. Please read the updates posted on the Lodestone.

Each plot with entries had a proper winner. That information is stored on the lottery servers. What happened is that the lottery servers failed to communicate the winner information correctly to the housing servers for some plots. Because the housing servers did not get the winner information, View Results displayed either "The winning number is 0" or "There were no participants".

It probably got past QA because it was working fine on their internal test servers during the pre-patch testing. It wouldn't be the first time things were working on test servers that didn't end up working on the retail servers because other factors interacting with code weren't present in the test environment. Or it could be some random issue introduced during the emergency maintenance that was intended to address the relocation problem.

No, it was never their intention for this to happen. What benefit would they gain by such a move? None. In the meantime they did gain an upset player base and some bad publicity.

Yeah, there's no reroll because the lottery results are fair. The zero results are due to a communication issue between the lottery and housing servers, not an unfair lottery result.