If FFXVII is a new online game... would you move inmediately?

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Originally Posted by CrayonsAndPaint

The next FF mmo should not involve Yoshi P at all. I think he should stick with FFXIV and improve upon it further and further. They should let someone else try their hand at directing an MMO. Maybe someone like Tetsuya Nomura.

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Would it be an MMO revolving around killing Chaos?

The only way XVII would be an online game, would be if it was remarkably different in format from XIV.
I'd imagine in order to justify it, it would be somewhat more similar to the likes of Destiny or Anthem or that sort of online action game instead of a tab-target MMO.

I would. Regardless of how it turned out. But ideally it would be a return to a more harsh and unforgiving exploration style open world like XI was. And they could keep the immediate gratification theme park MMO in XIV. That way, both player bases win. Honestly I long for some adventure and danger in an open world MMO that I just don’t get in XIV. Like I have never felt I need to watch out or be on guard while traveling in XIV. Not once. And the teleportation stuff makes it so I never have to touch most zones either. Everything is instanced… which would be okay if the groups at least had to be together and travel to the instance entrance zone.

But nope, as it is I never even see my static or my friends in the world because we just queue for the raid together, and as soon as it’s over we don’t travel back together or see each other. We just apear back in our house or Limsa or whatever.

And sure it’s convenient, or we could “force” a social gathering outside or make them up because we can. But it’s weird because we have no reason to… like sometimes the best friendships or experiences come from doing something out of necessity.

Take Sea of Thieves for example, like wow… I mean the journey is more than half the experience and it is gorgeous to look at the scenery. But that’s not why we do it, we don’t just go out and look at stuff, we’re on our way to dig something up or complete a quest… and if we could teleport to islands we’ve visited before we would just do that instead. And quit shortly after cuz it gets boring.

Making places dangerous/long to get to is not a disrespect of a players time. Not if the world is carefully and beautifully crafted so it’s meant to be appreciated.

I like XIV, and love SE, but i hope the next MMO doesn’t feel as claustrophobic as XIV does.

TBH I would go back to XI. Then just wait and see.

While I disagree with you on the lack of danger in the open world as I appreciate not aggroing everything while trying to get through an area, I do agree that teleportation takes away from the game. In fact, I've started slow walking through the old ARR zones while waiting for queues just to spend time in the environments again like I did in ARR. The original zones have been beautifully crafted and have their own magic if you let yourself slow down and appreciate them. I'm also with you regarding seeing people you know in the outer world. I get a little puff of excitement any time I see one of my FC mates while I'm out and about. We're a fairly small group as things go so chances of not seeing an orange name for days or weeks at a time are good.

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Originally Posted by Illmaeran

While I disagree with you on the lack of danger in the open world as I appreciate not aggroing everything while trying to get through an area, I do agree that teleportation takes away from the game. In fact, I've started slow walking through the old ARR zones while waiting for queues just to spend time in the environments again like I did in ARR. The original zones have been beautifully crafted and have their own magic if you let yourself slow down and appreciate them. I'm also with you regarding seeing people you know in the outer world. I get a little puff of excitement any time I see one of my FC mates while I'm out and about. We're a fairly small group as things go so chances of not seeing an orange name for days or weeks at a time are good.

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But this already happens if you're in the appropriate range for the expansion of the zones. For some dumb reason every single monster past Lv51 is aggressive, and their placement is done very haphazardly with no rhyme or reason.
Between that, the zones from HW onwards being very barren and not very lively, very little visual lore points in them compared to ARR, and how easy it is to unlock flying it's clear they don't want anyone actually walking in each map after they finish the MSQ chapters in them. Which makes the overworld nothing but a stage for the MSQ cutscenes, or at best a glorified lobby.

To answer the question as asked, I'd probably play it. I'm the sort of person who parts with his money quickly.

To answer the questions not asked but certainly answered and discussed in this thread, "Should there be a new FF MMO on the horizon, and what should it look like." I think it'd be fine, so long as it is different. I don't want a better FF XIV. I don't want them to improve on the problems with this game. I want a new game. Sure, take lessons from where this game had issues, but most of them should be moot or non existent because the game is a different beast. If they make a new FF MMO and I hear "Well, they can't do X because of a holdover from XIV's spaghetti string code" I'd just totally lose it.

Edit: I think there is another thread of "What do you want to see in the next FF MMO", where I spell out my opinion more completely, so I don't feel like doing it again here.

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Originally Posted by Lunalepsy

If Yoshida is not the director of the game, I would play it. Tired of him using excuses like "it's too stressful" to gimp content, making it boring and unchallenging.

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The fact that the difficulty curve isn't that high for story content is why I like it so I am exactly the opposite. I'd only play it if Yoshi P was directing it. Story content should not be locked behind content that is too hard for the poorest player to get past. Save the difficulty for savage, extreme, and ultimate.

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Originally Posted by CrayonsAndPaint

The next FF mmo should not involve Yoshi P at all. I think he should stick with FFXIV and improve upon it further and further. They should let someone else try their hand at directing an MMO. Maybe someone like Tetsuya Nomura.

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Big lol. Nomura doesn't have any experience whatsoever with mmo. Even with single player rpg, which is supposed to be his specialty, his games are hit and miss. Mmo being directed by Nomura will be a flop.

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Originally Posted by Kozh

Big lol. Nomura doesn't have any experience whatsoever with mmo. Even with single player rpg, which is supposed to be his specialty, his games are hit and miss. Mmo being directed by Nomura will be a flop.

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I'll be honest, I read that post and though "remember back when Yoshi-P was the Golden Child who saved FF XIV and Nomura was the Antichrist who ruined FF with style over substance?"

Honestly, they should simply stick in adding more content to FFXIV, and improving some of the flaws in the game as well. Maintaining both MMO games, FFXI and FFXIV, is hard enough already, and perhaps is the main reason as to why we don't have genders for both races like the Viera and the Hrothgars, and that both aren't able to wear helmets and hairstyles you unlock.

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Originally Posted by ChazNatlo

I'll be honest, I read that post and though "remember back when Yoshi-P was the Golden Child who saved FF XIV and Nomura was the Antichrist who ruined FF with style over substance?"

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Which is ironic, because style over substance has been embraced by XIV since late Heavensward.

I severely doubt we are gonna get another FF MMO SE most likely won't want to take the financial risk especially since MMO are basically a dead genre.
I'm not sure why people would want a new FF MMO outside of being salty about the direction 14 is taking,like you think mogstation is bad now imagine next MMO payshop would be even worse.

By the time it’d come out I’ll have probably done literally everything there is to do in XIV, so yeah, I’d give it a go.

As an aside, I wouldn't mind it if they had a look at what Monster Hunters has been doing lately and take another crack at Final Fantasy Explorers. I wouldn't say the original was anything to write home about, but if they put some effort into it...

If it's not coded like spaghetti like ff14 is and prevent them to add some stuffs, I might give it a shot

If there is a good character creator, that mirrors black desert (just better hairstyles than BDO)
Good animations/ combat

Mythic style dungeons + raids, instanced housing and a good story & a nice flow of good content then yes. I would move in a heartbeat

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Originally Posted by MaLTRaiN

FFXI was online.
FFXIV is online.
So FFXVII should be the next MMORPG.

If Yoshi-P launch a new FF online game (in 2023) and Endwalkers is the last expansion... what would you do?

1. You'd move inmediately?
2. You'd keep playing FFXIV for a while?
3. You'd play both if can have a discount for the pack?
4. You'd play both no matter what?

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1. If by move you mean play it, yes I would
2. Yes I would keep playing XIV
3. I would play both if they had a discount
4. I would play both more than likely no matter what - so long as there is still content for both.

Big question, would I stick with the new one long term? That depends on if Yoshi was heading it or a trusted member of his team. If Yoshi is on it? Yes. If not? Probably not. I think many people really take for granted how much Yoshi has kept this game together. Compare this game to ANY MMO on the market and it is leagues above any other game in content, developer integrity, fun content, and trust within the majority of their community from what I've seen. That ALL has to do with Yoshi, like it or not. The man's charisma, work ethic, and vision has been an incredible positive impact on this game that everyone can see.

Also, I've read too many comments claiming Yoshi would just do the same thing in XIV. I think that's totally false. Yoshi has stated, often and clearly, XIV wasn't the initial game they wanted to make. They literally made a final fantasy version of early WoW, because they were desperate to save it. They were given guidance by WoW's own dev team. I want to see a MMO that Yoshi wants to make. FF9 was the last FF title I played seriously, aside from XIV. I plan on buying and playing Yoshi's FF title purely because it's being produced by Yoshi.

I have my issues with Yoshi, but his Pro's FAR outweigh his cons. Keep it up Yoshi and team :)

[EDIT: But you know... finish Viera / Hrothgar races, give us back our deep dungeons, and update our glamour system / inventory / engine >.>]

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Originally Posted by Duskane

I severely doubt we are gonna get another FF MMO SE most likely won't want to take the financial risk especially since MMO are basically a dead genre.
I'm not sure why people would want a new FF MMO outside of being salty about the direction 14 is taking,like you think mogstation is bad now imagine next MMO payshop would be even worse.

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Any genre with active players in the millions isn't a dead genre.

It will certainly interesting to see a Fantasy Earth Zero II in Final Fantasy franchise setting.
After FFXI and XIV they need something so different to stand out and please a different group of audiences. No point spending huge resources creating another FFXI or XIV clone and have a SE MMO civil war

People who fall for the spaghetti code apologism are in for a rude awakening if they ever make another MMO.

Almost every commercial AAA game has "spaghetti code". Specially online games.

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Originally Posted by MaLTRaiN

FFXI was online.
FFXIV is online.
So FFXVII should be the next MMORPG.

If Yoshi-P launch a new FF online game (in 2023) and Endwalkers is the last expansion... what would you do?

1. You'd move inmediately?
2. You'd keep playing FFXIV for a while?
3. You'd play both if can have a discount for the pack?
4. You'd play both no matter what?

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If it was (much more) like FFXI than FFXIV, yes.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

Which is ironic, because style over substance has been embraced by XIV since late Heavensward.

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Quire unfortunately really.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

I would. Regardless of how it turned out. But ideally it would be a return to a more harsh and unforgiving exploration style open world like XI was. And they could keep the immediate gratification theme park MMO in XIV. That way, both player bases win. Honestly I long for some adventure and danger in an open world MMO that I just don’t get in XIV. Like I have never felt I need to watch out or be on guard while traveling in XIV. Not once. And the teleportation stuff makes it so I never have to touch most zones either. Everything is instanced… which would be okay if the groups at least had to be together and travel to the instance entrance zone.

But nope, as it is I never even see my static or my friends in the world because we just queue for the raid together, and as soon as it’s over we don’t travel back together or see each other. We just apear back in our house or Limsa or whatever.

And sure it’s convenient, or we could “force” a social gathering outside or make them up because we can. But it’s weird because we have no reason to… like sometimes the best friendships or experiences come from doing something out of necessity.

Take Sea of Thieves for example, like wow… I mean the journey is more than half the experience and it is gorgeous to look at the scenery. But that’s not why we do it, we don’t just go out and look at stuff, we’re on our way to dig something up or complete a quest… and if we could teleport to islands we’ve visited before we would just do that instead. And quit shortly after cuz it gets boring.

Making places dangerous/long to get to is not a disrespect of a players time. Not if the world is carefully and beautifully crafted so it’s meant to be appreciated.

I like XIV, and love SE, but i hope the next MMO doesn’t feel as claustrophobic as XIV does.

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THIS. 100% agreed. FFXIV feels too closed and claustrophobic in most of it's content.

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Originally Posted by Likethewind

TBH I would go back to XI. Then just wait and see.

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Wish XI was more active and had more new players incoming still. Also a modernization of FFXI would be really welcome, specially in terms of interface and controls, without changing the core gameplay.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

Between XI and XIV, XI is clearly the one that's aging the worst. So I definitely agree with you. Keep XIV going, it's popular and it will be successful for a while. But make a newer updated iteration of an entry closer to XI than XIV for people who wanted something like XI but not as clunky/PS2-like graphics.

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XI players really deserve some love. Least SE could do is a modernization of the game's interface and controls and integrate the HD mod into the game.

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Originally Posted by Limecat

This is actually an interesting question to me. XI continues because of a lot of reasons, and even now I would probably play it on the side if time allowed. Even as much as things have been sped up in XI, it still has a lot of very long-term goals you can engage in. XIV is a much different critter though. Strictly theme-parky. At the point where all story content is done, and all the fights cleared at least once for the hell of it, I would have no reason to keep playing this game in the face of a fresh FF MMO.

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This is the thing: FFXIV feels too easy, too on rails, too theme parky and downright claustrophobic most of the time, unfortunately. FFXI was a better MMO experience in it's core, it just needs small modernization in terms of interface, controls and graphics specially and maybe with the addition of a better quest log and some more interesting side quests to be done. FFXI players are loyal and SE would do well to give them more attention both in FFXI and in FFXIV, FFXIV should be more like FFXI in every single way.

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Originally Posted by Derio

That would be 4 MMOs though. FFXI would have to be killed off. Many people forget that SE does the Dragon Quest MMO which is not released in the West.

Really all we need for FFXIV is a engine update which is slated for 7.0/8.0

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How is this DragonQuest MMO and when was it launched, please? They plan to release it in the west anytime soon? Thanks for the info.

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Originally Posted by Jkap_Goat

I would say yes, but If the next FF MMO is exactly like FFXIV, with the homogenized jobs, the linear dungeons, boring combat rotations, that would definitely be a no for me.

I started to play FFXI two years ago for this exact reason, because its notthing like FFXIV and its really fun

I hope the next FF MMO is very different from ffxiv, more strategy combat and less mind numbling button smashing

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I'm curious: how is the current FFXI community? Is it getting new players?

PS: I know this is not the place, but please, I'm thinking about going back to FFXI soon, which mods (HD texture pack, interface, etc.) you recommend? Thank you very much.

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Originally Posted by Fabbro

I'm curious: how is the current FFXI community? Is it getting new players?

PS: I know this is not the place, but please, I'm thinking about going back to FFXI soon, which mods (HD texture pack, interface, etc.) you recommend? Thank you very much.

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Bro you can do multiple quote in one reply
Also, despite how it is FFXIV is selling well. So the future MMO might go in the same direction.

Yesterday Youtube recommended me a livecam in FFXI from official channel in a town... there doesn't seem to be a lot of ppl?

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Originally Posted by Fabbro

How is this DragonQuest MMO and when was it launched, please? They plan to release it in the west anytime soon? Thanks for the info.

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DQX is a lot closer to FFXIV than XI. Down to the point of feeling like you're paying a sub to play an "almost single-player game with online features".

I don't know. I would probably try it but I would miss this game terribly. The story, music and characters are too much for me to walk away from at this point.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

DQX is a lot closer to FFXIV than XI. Down to the point of feeling like you're paying a sub to play an "almost single-player game with online features".

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Interesting thing to point out. On a recent stream for the Dragon Quest series they mentioned something about a single player version of DQX being in the works. Exactly how far it goes in comparison to the MMO I don't fully recall. It might have only been the first few story lines.

If you want to try out DQX and own a Nintendo Switch you can create a Japanese nintendo account on it and try it out for free as the game has a free trial version now comparable to what we have here on FFXIV. I think it gives you access to the base game and their first major essentially 2.0 content update.

They did not announce any plans during the Dragon Quest stream about releasing it out to this region. The other things I recall from it were the announcement of DQXII being in development. A spin off game of DQXI that came off as kind of mystery dungeon like to me, a type of pixel remaster of the early titles similar to the pixel remasters of the early FF series games, a couple new mobile games, and teaser for the next DQX expansion they were coming out with.