You are trolling if you are not using essences and actions in Delubrum

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

I'm quite aware of that, and i do feel that the cost is exaggerated -unless of course it happens to be exceptionally expensive on your sever- but even then, you can get around that. Even so, not all fragments are the same price - the very best fragments aren't even needed, strictly speaking in savage content, hell if cost is such a an issue, run the fairly decent most half or even sometimes. So yes, it really is a viable solution for anyone who cares at all about put in a half decent effort.

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Sounds to me like if people want everyone to use essences they should crash the market for fragments.

I am on Crystal, and I had run out of Skirmisher, and didn't have time to go farm any.. so I went on a quick run through the different worlds, looking for prices... lowest was 6000 per frag for that particular fragment. I bought a stack of 99... I got 4 skirmisher. This is why people don't want to buy fragments. I got some others I could use with red mage, so I used red mage for my last 6 delubrum runs, which I am not as good on as I am as dancer.

So, es, I was using essences, but probably not doing much more damage as rdm with essences as I would have as an unessenced dancer, considering I am more comfortable as a dancer. So, really, did it shave any time off those runs?

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Originally Posted by OrigNN

Exactly the answer I expected. Thank you for proving my point.

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You're very welcome. I look forward to the next 10mill made! 100mill here I come wew!

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

On an individual basis SE made farming essences less efficient than running content without them. Any player with half a brain who realizes this isn't going to bother farming essences for DF.

This is SE's incompetent design, so yea blame them. People who spent time farming essences specifically for DF DR just kind of screwed themselves over by not doing the math, or not understanding it, and I guess they're a little bitter about it.

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I wouldn't call running content without essences 'efficient', I'd say it's more of how people choose to spend their time. Wasting eachother's time in DR, farming for 5-10 minutes, or doing Bozja content in general. I personally put in the time on and off playing in Bozja and got me a permanent 10 valor (damage) buff, and you can still do a lot of damage on tanks/healers. Helps that I am also using lost actions during burst. Actually, the last DR run I had was about 24-26 minutes long due to a lot players (not the DPS in my party) using essences. That's over half an hour saved, because people chose to use essences and/or lost actions! If players embody a mindset like "nobody else is going to use them, I won't either", they will just make that a reality.

Also, I actually never personally farmed fragments prior to a couple days ago, ironically. I only did that out of morbid curiosity to see just how many fragments I could get. I have martialists and aetherweavers for days (over a dozen runs worth now) for a few minutes of killing plants, and earlier I solo farmed some worms and got awakening fragments, and some skirmishers - though that farm run was short lived as Castrum popped, so instead I got some pure essences from that. By the way, our tank 'DPS' party burned top so fast, bottom was begging us to "stop dps".

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

The thing is, they assumed whole playerbase is like those we see in japanese community: team based efforts. But because the game houses more than just japanese community, this of course falls apart when it come across to the more individualistic community: NA server (can’t speak for EU cause I have no idea)

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Yeah, I've been noticing that. many among the western playerbase seems to choose to be a burden on others. It's why we can't have nice things. It's a respect thing really, I think.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

Don't be the idiot that pays us and then "carries" us lmao

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I buy fragments for my own enjoyment. If I see too many leeches, I just use their toxic tactics against them or leave if I really want to play the game.

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

I buy fragments for my own enjoyment. If I see too many leeches, I just use their toxic tactics against them or leave if I really want to play the game.

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If those toxic tactics mean you don't use an essence, I think you will find we don't care. And again the same if you leave. Straight up afk however and I will simply report you and carry on my merry way.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

It's actually kind of ridiculous that this kind of thing works even on the Asian servers.

In DF it's legitimately less efficient for everyone involved to be grinding essences. Sure the run takes less time, but once the time they all spent grinding gets factored it's an efficiency loss for each individual. They would've been better off just eating to 50 minute DRs, but SE plays on their culture of shaming each other for doing anything that's of benefit to the individual. It's almost exploitative; SE uses their culture to pass this essence system that's INTENTIONALLY inefficient.

I'm honestly thankful NA doesn't play into that crap.

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

I buy fragments for my own enjoyment. If I see too many leeches, I just use their toxic tactics against them or leave if I really want to play the game.

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While I don't agree with the approach some have taken, I wouldn't go as far as saying that they are toxic leeches. I have my disagreements on this subject, but that is definitely not something I believe. Overall, it's just not worth the effort to some players, whether I agree with it or not. I've said my piece on this topic already, so my views are known. Honestly not much more for me to say.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

I feel absolutely blessed getting the chance to read this before it was deleted.

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You're welcome.

I've gotten in trouble for commenting on Asian gaming culture in a less than positive way here before, so decided this is not the direction I want to go.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

If those toxic tactics mean you don't use an essence, I think you will find we don't care. And again the same if you leave. Straight up afk however and I will simply report you and carry on my merry way.

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I my dps contribution for the first two bosses is going to be greater than yours for the rest of the run even if I afk. So at the end I am doing more things than you even if I afk.

I had one run where I said in /shout that I am not going to play if I don't get a healer.
I left my own to let them invite one. We had 3 in total in dr. I had told ppl in shout that I needed to be invited but no one responded in the end. I kept on dying to unavoidable aoe because I am not running essence of the veteran like 90%of the DPS players. At the third boss I gave up on trying to play solo in 24 man raid. If I die to unavoidable aoe, I am not going to accept the raise My rank was also around 16-17 so the mettle loss was insignificant. That run took exactly 1hour and 3 minutes. I watched 2 episodes of sukasuka.

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

I my dps contribution for the first two bosses is going to be greater than yours for the rest of the run even if I afk. So at the end I am doing more things than you even if I afk.

I had one run where I said in /shout that I am not going to play if I don't get a healer.
I left my own to let them invite one. We had 3 in total in dr. I had told ppl in shout that I needed to be invited but no one responded in the end. I kept on dying to unavoidable aoe because I am not running essence of the veteran like 90%of the DPS players. At the third boss I gave up on trying to play solo in 24 man raid. If I die to unavoidable aoe, I am not going to accept the raise My rank was also around 16-17 so the mettle loss was insignificant. That run took exactly 1hour and 3 minutes. I watched 2 episodes of sukasuka.

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Justify it however you want to the GM when u end up in jail for afk. And besides, you are not punishing me, all you do is upset people like yourself who are wanting the speedy runs. I could care less.
Not having a healer can be a pain hence I always take cures with me when I go as dps, I suggest you do the same. Because I have never belligerently refused to play because nobody was healing me. Sounds like you are worse than me! :D

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

The funny thing is that even if everyone in DF was using essences farming them would still be a negative time investment. Mathematically speaking, in a short run your contribution counts for even less time, so instead of saving a minute by using an essence you've saved maybe 30 seconds. Bozja is just very poorly designed content from a time investment/rewards standpoint. It'll ALWAYS be more efficient for you to do the bare minimum. Don't get mad at the players who were smart enough to realize it, get mad at SE for designing it that way.

As for PF; static groups who all agree to go in 100% will always set the efficiency curve. If you can get into one and stomach the rigidity and scheduling then yes, that would be the most efficient thing to do. People are upset that no one uses essences in DF, though. I'm just explaining why they don't.

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In a stacked group man you can blow through DR in 15 mind. My best time is just under 17 minutes, and that was with us making mistakes and being sloppy.

Also man it is not that rigid sure for the first few runs it might be rigid but after that once people get to know you and stuff it is pretty easy to get a group whenever especially if you use discord.

It just makes no sense why people that dislike the content are so dead set on taking the longest path to the end goal. Not mad just makes no sense hate the content but I pick the path that results in me having to do said content for longer.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

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Originally Posted by Awha

In a stacked group man you can blow through DR in 15 mind. My best time is just under 17 minutes, and that was with us making mistakes and being sloppy.

Also man it is not that rigid sure for the first few runs it might be rigid but after that once people get to know you and stuff it is pretty easy to get a group whenever especially if you use discord.

It just makes no sense why people that dislike the content are so dead set on taking the longest path to the end goal. Not mad just makes no sense hate the content but I pick the path that results in me having to do said content for longer.

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DF is mainly about convenience, I agree that PF speed runs and statics are more efficient. All I'm really saying is that farming is less efficient than just running DR for every individual involved IF you're using duty finder. That's the reality of how SE designed this content, so I don't understand why anyone would expect you to farm essences for duty finder.

The people who refuse to farm essences aren't the ones who are complaining that DR takes too long, though. They likely just don't like the Bozja overworld and/or don't like farming trash mobs.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

The people who refuse to farm essences aren't the ones who are complaining that DR takes too long, though. They likely just don't like the Bozja overworld and/or don't like farming trash mobs.

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I like farming them. But it is often hard to find a party. And farming alone is less than ideal...

But what I don't like is spending the time and farming and then getting screwed over by RNG when I - again - don't get the right essences afterwards...

And what I really don't like is the general design of the content. Why do I have to farm these essences in the first place? Why is the content balanced with them in mind? What purpose has this entry barrier? Why do I need to grind essences just to be able to grind Delubrum?
And why does the DF not have fixed roles like everywhere else? Why can't we just switch roles inside? Why do I have to use essences and lost actions to turn my DD class into a healer instead of just pressing a button and switch to WHM?

It is just stupid.

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Originally Posted by Tint

I like farming them. But it is often hard to find a party. And farming alone is less than ideal...

But what I don't like is spending the time and farming and then getting screwed over by RNG when I - again - don't get the right essences afterwards...

And what I really don't like is the general design of the content. Why do I have to farm these essences in the first place? Why is the content balanced with them in mind? What purpose has this entry barrier? Why do I need to grind essences just to be able to grind Delubrum?
And why does the DF not have fixed roles like everywhere else? Why can't we just switch roles inside? Why do I have to use essences and lost actions to turn my DD class into a healer instead of just pressing a button and switch to WHM?

It is just stupid.

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It's just a lazy way to prolong the content by creating a non-rewarding feedback loop.

It's like if every time you ran an Expert Roulette it destroyed a piece of your gear and forced you to buy/craft a replacement. On the surface, from SE's perspective, it seems like a win/win, because it causes a feedback loop that uses roulettes to stimulate the economy, engage crafters and move gil. Most players will see it for the manipulative, non-rewarding time sink it is, though, and basically just start queuing up with the cheapest, crappiest gear they can get away with.

I try to stay more polite than I can, even if this post doesn’t deserve politeness.
First of all:
Assuming It’s my first run in DR, if I’m not using your blessed actions, am I trolling you?
Assuming it’s not my habit grind your trusted actions neither Gill to buy them, am I trolling you?
Assuming I’m not interest in DR and relic farms but this day I joined my fellows party for a friendly run and I don’t have your supercalifragilistic actions or I don’t want to use them, am I trolling you?

For what I’ve read, this post is an useless and childish player’s complaint that sold his last two braincells for a small amount of dps.
But, as I said before I want to stay more polite than I can so here my advises:

1) Stand in front of the mirror. Watch yourself. Take an huge breath and repeat several times: “My life doesn’t change if a DR lasts 40 mins or 15 mins nor someone else.
2) after one hour of gaming take a break. Prepare some coffee. Drink it slowly and while tasting its flavour repeat this in your head: “I’m playing FFXIV to have fun, not to complain everything others may do”.
3) When you are seeing your parses and your analyses keep in mind: “My parses maybe good enough to be considered a “”””””pro”””””” but all these numbers are useful if I am a child”.
4) If you wrote this, it’s legit to think that you use a dps meter, a third program, to track down all the damage that all 48 players do, unless you target all the 48 players and watch player by player which fabulous actions they activated (if so, probably your DR last more than 15 mins because of you are not pressing your buttons).
I want to remember to you that using a third party program is strictly forbidden by SE’s ToS to avoid harassment and other malevolent behaviours. Writing a post who can be read as an harassment by some one like me, who “is trolling you because I never use any actions”, in a public official SE’s forum isn’t wise.
So, this is my final advise, sir. Enjoy your experience in the way you have fun. Don’t complain others playing, take a break if you feel nervous about something and keep in mind that out there nobody cares how long your last DR lasts. If you got frustrated for a game, you will get the same in real life...try to work on this.
Spoiler: Humbleness is not a skill incoming in 6.0

Cheers :)

I've never gone out of my way to grind or buy fragments for essences or lost actions, and I have a huge supply of Essence of the Martialist, which is all you ever need as a tank. So I don't really think there's much excuse for not having something.
Sure there are some essences I'm running low on, I wish I had more Deep Bloodsucker to make soloing Zadnor a bit easier, but that's not necessary for DR.
I'm not sure what it's like for DPS/Healers because I always queue as tank (the one time I queued as MCH, there were no tanks in the instance...) but I'm sure there must be something relatively common that will be useful.

It makes a notable difference when nobody in the instance is using an essence, all those +40-70% damage buffs really add up, and can turn a fun 30 minute raid into a 60 minute chore.

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Someone told me pigs can fly, I guess that is true too? If you afk and someone actually bothers to report you whilst you are doing so, yes you will be punished. It just takes someone who can be bothered. Lucky you so far nobody has.

Your attitude just shows you are belligerent. Using cures to keep yourself up without a healer is so easy, you can weave them in between gcds. Your entire post just shows how much of a child you are in actions and attitude. You are calling others dead weight when you willingly and purposefully afk as means to punish people you don't like. What a sad soul you are indeed.

You aren't going to get banned for AFK. Just don't say you are 'choosing' not to play in chat. You can even make it thematic, and say you had an "emergency", or some other nonsense. That's the state of the game.

A joke, by the way.

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

For me toxic players are those whose actions render me unable to play my role optimally which is the only way I enjoy playing.

Leeches are those who are well aware of their insignificant contribution but don't care about anyone else but themselves like Aelin_Ashryver for example. She admittedly stated that she couldn't be bothered to use lost actions and that every fragment she gets she sells it for personal profit. Self-centered ppl are pathetic and miserable, that's all there is to it.

I usually always have act running when I am doing dr. It is crazy how some 2%dmg output dps with 5 ray of valor stacks presumes to bash our only tank for not keeping the first boss in the center for the first mechanic. Nobody even died, besides the afk dancer that got teleported into the death zone. Some leeches are really opinionated despite the fact that they are contributing with nothing. And I always make sure to point that out in an unpleasant way.

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Hmmm calls other people toxic yet you admit to afking on purpose to punish people and now you use ACT as a means to shame people for their dps!! Oh how terrible a person I am, compared to such an angel as yourself xD

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

Hmmm calls other people toxic yet you admit to afking on purpose to punish people and now you use ACT as a means to shame people for their dps!! Oh how terrible a person I am, compared to such an angel as yourself xD

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If you don't want to be shamed for doing nothing, don't ever presume to tell others what they should have learnt at "this point in the game". You are in no position to lecture anyone about anything. First learn to play your role then look at how someone else is playing.

Angel/demon, good/bad, smart/idiot. I am all that and I choose how to appear to the people I come across. I want to be seen as toxic by pathetic leeches so I think I am doing a good job so far.

And for the previous reply.
I often disregard common rules because they do not make sense to me. And if being an adult means becoming this crazy person who respects rules without understanding or questioning them and their legitimacy then I'd rather stay a child for the rest of my life.

I am not going to not afk because I might get banned. I am even going to say it out loud cuz this what I want to do in this situation and in my head it's justified. Fact of the matter is I am not banned. Fortune favours the bold I guess. Even If I get banned which would mean that me and a gm did not get on the same page, we move on to something else. There isn't much for me to do in ffxiv anymore anyways in terms of actual content to explore. I did savage twice, got the chest the 2nd time but.... I don't really want to be waiting a whole week to do it again. When I play I want to play a lot. And the only playing with benefit I can currently do is grinding for relic. Idk, it is not very entertaining. The game seemed more fun to me when I knew nothing at the start.

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Originally Posted by Jokerz_93

I want to remember to you that using a third party program is strictly forbidden by SE’s ToS to avoid harassment and other malevolent behaviours. Writing a post who can be read as an harassment by some one like me, who “is trolling you because I never use any actions”, in a public official SE’s forum isn’t wise.
So, this is my final advise, sir. Enjoy your experience in the way you have fun. Don’t complain others playing, take a break if you feel nervous about something and keep in mind that out there nobody cares how long your last DR lasts. If you got frustrated for a game, you will get the same in real life...try to work on this.
Spoiler: Humbleness is not a skill incoming in 6.0

Cheers :)

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LUL all this just to defend getting riding on the coat tails of others. I do not get why people refuse to just sit back and accept the mere notion “if” they get a group that uses essences and a handful of players are not the handful of players are getting in essence a quicker more efficient ride for free that one run.

Please stop hiding behind “fun” when it comes to reaping the benefits of others effort. Sure for the most part most PUG groups probably will not use them, but in the off chance you do luck into one that does use them please accept for that run you were carried. You can be proud that you are having fun your way, but at the very least be honest about what the group did for ya if they are using essences.

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Originally Posted by Jokerz_93

3) When you are seeing your parses and your analyses keep in mind: “My parses maybe good enough to be considered a “”””””pro”””””” but all these numbers are useful if I am a child”.

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This is very weird to read. I've encountered others who told me that not everybody can be "a pro like me" or "as good as me".

First of all I am not a pro. My dps is green for savage content in the easiest job in the game - whm. Maybe I am good in terms of doing dmg in dungeons cuz I uploaded some random logs while doing dailies and my dps was in orange.

In any case, being able to think is not being a pro. Everybody who earns their money on their own has enough brain capacity to figure out basic stuff about a game. I don't like underestimating people and thinking that they are that dense that they can't figure out how to play. Nope, in almost all cases it is out of lack of respect for your teammates. This could be due to utter negligence or intentional.

I've noticed that the higher-level people are much less likely to change anything about their playstyle, unlike new folks. Pretty common, it's the same with habits irl. Some players have just made it their habit to disrespect others with their playstyle and label it as fun. Disgusting perversion of reality.

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

For me toxic players are those whose actions render me unable to play my role optimally which is the only way I enjoy playing.

Leeches are those who are well aware of their insignificant contribution but don't care about anyone else but themselves like Aelin_Ashryver for example. She admittedly stated that she couldn't be bothered to use lost actions and that every fragment she gets she sells it for personal profit. Self-centered ppl are pathetic and miserable, that's all there is to it.

I usually always have act running when I am doing dr. It is crazy how some 2%dmg output dps with 5 ray of valor stacks presumes to bash our only tank for not keeping the first boss in the center for the first mechanic. Nobody even died, besides the afk dancer that got teleported into the death zone. Some leeches are really opinionated despite the fact that they are contributing with nothing. And I always make sure to point that out in an unpleasant way.

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A few things here...

First, some players just aren't going to be on your level. A simple fact of MMORPG life. Hello, and welcome. First time? That doesn't make them toxic, at least most of the time. That part is largely in your head, and your head only. As far as Aelin goes...sure, I don't agree with their approach at all on this, but you, me or anyone else are not going to change their minds. And there's plenty of other players with a similar mindset. So...about all we can do is roll with the punches and do our thing. They have also said that they DO use them when available, but it's not their main concern. I wouldn't call it leeching per say since they are putting forth some effort, albeit at a slightly weaker (trying to be nice here) state in DR. What I consider leeching is anyone who literally does nothing while other players do everything. This isn't entirely the case with Aelin and some others. Could they be doing more? Sure. Should they? Absolutely, in my opinion. It's group content! Are they doing nothing? No, I don't believe so. Just not as much as they could be. Honestly, I think you are being way more toxic about this than some of those who you oppose. All of that said, you using Act, and admitting to it openly, is risky at best. If you are going to use such things, don't bring attention to yourself. It doesn't matter whether or not you agree with your party members' actions. What matters is that you are openly using a third party tool that's against the ToS. I'm guessing if you are fine with admitting it here you are okay with admitting it in game as well. It's only a matter of time before your account gets a temporary ban at the very least.

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A few things here...

First, some players just aren't going to be on your level. A simple fact of MMORPG life. Hello, and welcome. First time? That doesn't make them toxic, at least most of the time. That part is largely in your head, and your head only. As far as Aelin goes...sure, I don't agree with their approach at all on this, but you, me or anyone else are not going to change their minds. And there's plenty of other players with a similar mindset. So...about all we can do is roll with the punches and do our thing. They have also said that they DO use them when available, but it's not their main concern. I wouldn't call it leeching per say since they are putting forth some effort, albeit at a slightly weaker (trying to be nice here) state in DR. What I consider leeching is anyone who literally does nothing while other players do everything. This isn't entirely the case with Aelin and some others. Could they be doing more? Sure. Should they? Absolutely, in my opinion. It's group content! Are they doing nothing? No, I don't believe so. Just not as much as they could be. Honestly, I think you are being way more toxic about this than some of those who you oppose. All of that said, you using Act, and admitting to it openly, is risky at best. If you are going to use such things, don't bring attention to yourself. It doesn't matter whether or not you agree with your party members' actions. What matters is that you are openly using a third party tool that's against the ToS. I'm guessing if you are fine with admitting it here you are okay with admitting it in game as well. It's only a matter of time before your account gets a temporary ban at the very least.

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Tried my hand with some friends at more cluster farm. It has been so much time since I last done it I have forgotten on how to be efficient about it! Some of the fragments at this point are 35k+ on my server it's just ludicrous pricing. So I sold most and kept a few for the sake of some PF DR runs. They went nicely! I really do not see the rage over duty finder still, it will never be efficient. Esp do not understand this person at all being uber toxic. He does not punish me with his actions more people like yourself or other peers who want the quicker runs. *shrug*

I would say my tolerance for the farming is still very low. But the money aspect I would say is my motivator, plus being able to do the PF runs now and again will be good :3

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He does not punish me with his actions more people like yourself or other peers who want the quicker runs. *shrug*

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Here's the thing. I may disagree with you on your overall stance, but if we got grouped together and I noticed you weren't using an essence in DR...I would not say a word. Would I wish that every person had an essence equipped? Of course I would. But I'd never expect it. It would just be nice. I feel a certain way about it is all. It doesn't bother me THAT much. The forums are a better place for debate and feedback than the middle of a dungeon or raid, so that is where I do most of my talking. :p I generally don't hold anything against people unless they've got a reputation for being rather unpleasant. We could be having an entirely separate debate right now in some random thread and the tone would be quite different.

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Here's the thing. I may disagree with you on your overall stance, but if we got grouped together and I noticed you weren't using an essence in DR...I would not say a word. Would I wish that every person had an essence equipped? Of course I would. But I'd never expect it. It would just be nice. I feel a certain way about it is all. It doesn't bother me THAT much. The forums are a better place for debate and feedback than the middle of a dungeon or raid, so that is where I do most of my talking. :p I generally don't hold anything against people unless they've got a reputation for being rather unpleasant. We could be having an entirely separate debate right now in some random thread and the tone would be quite different.

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Of course, we might disagree. Hell even if we did have a more toxic debate. I don't hold a grudge or even stay irritated long. Can quite happily hold a conversation with people I might not agree with or generally get along with. If I am on this forum I know I will get a certain set of responses, some will be polite others rude and I can respond in kind. And two seconds later I can be derping on league or in some other ff content and forgotten all about it until I get an urge for some amusement and come back!

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I'm guessing if you are fine with admitting it here you are okay with admitting it in game as well. It's only a matter of time before your account gets a temporary ban at the very least.

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I am not stating in the game that I am using act unless I am talking with trusted people. I understood that much from my first thread where everybody warned me about mentioning act logs in a report. The devs do not want to publically encourage the use of act.

I was left with the impression people can have open discussions about it in the forums because I did say in my first thread that I am using act and again my account was not banned. There was that one person who was really obsessed with everyone following the rules and that no one should be using act under any circumstances and that "the ban hammer should fall upon my ToS violating head". I am pretty sure she took her time to report me.

And to aelin, I had a run like that only once from 17 in total. Afking is not common practice for me as it is not to get so disorganized players. And by afking I meant rezzing from the start when I die. It is practically the same when the boss fights take 10mins, the only difference is that I at least get to deal dmg and actually play the game for the first couple of mins before the 2nd unavoidable aoe hits or even faster if I eat a mechanic.

I had a WoL NM party that many of us reported an AFKer a month ago, they got so mad someone new failed the button check and wiped a few times another pull I saw they did no damage, they just hung around and said words I wouldn't say in-game. You can AFK in the game, legally, with permission. Most of the time in these situations people do more than AFK, they become petty about something then take it out on others, which is a good way to end up with a ticket to a GM.


The punishment for not using essences in Dalriada can sometimes be felt. Like if you have 21 people to not have echo, maybe enough new people, and then not enough people use them but end up taking too long or wiping in the hallways, bosses, etc. Low DPS along with deaths will add up and the clock will run out.

DR the clock isn't as low, which I think it should be lower, or they should add the enrages. Because in savage it's required to use pure essences to even make the DPS checks. It's just a poorly tuned dungeon because the variance between a good run of 20 minutes to 40+ minutes with 24 people shouldn't be that high.

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Originally Posted by Jokerz_93

I try to stay more polite than I can, even if this post doesn’t deserve politeness.
First of all:
Assuming It’s my first run in DR, if I’m not using your blessed actions, am I trolling you?
Assuming it’s not my habit grind your trusted actions neither Gill to buy them, am I trolling you?
Assuming I’m not interest in DR and relic farms but this day I joined my fellows party for a friendly run and I don’t have your supercalifragilistic actions or I don’t want to use them, am I trolling you?

For what I’ve read, this post is an useless and childish player’s complaint that sold his last two braincells for a small amount of dps.
But, as I said before I want to stay more polite than I can so here my advises:

1) Stand in front of the mirror. Watch yourself. Take an huge breath and repeat several times: “My life doesn’t change if a DR lasts 40 mins or 15 mins nor someone else.
2) after one hour of gaming take a break. Prepare some coffee. Drink it slowly and while tasting its flavour repeat this in your head: “I’m playing FFXIV to have fun, not to complain everything others may do”.
3) When you are seeing your parses and your analyses keep in mind: “My parses maybe good enough to be considered a “”””””pro”””””” but all these numbers are useful if I am a child”.
4) If you wrote this, it’s legit to think that you use a dps meter, a third program, to track down all the damage that all 48 players do, unless you target all the 48 players and watch player by player which fabulous actions they activated (if so, probably your DR last more than 15 mins because of you are not pressing your buttons).
I want to remember to you that using a third party program is strictly forbidden by SE’s ToS to avoid harassment and other malevolent behaviours. Writing a post who can be read as an harassment by some one like me, who “is trolling you because I never use any actions”, in a public official SE’s forum isn’t wise.
So, this is my final advise, sir. Enjoy your experience in the way you have fun. Don’t complain others playing, take a break if you feel nervous about something and keep in mind that out there nobody cares how long your last DR lasts. If you got frustrated for a game, you will get the same in real life...try to work on this.
Spoiler: Humbleness is not a skill incoming in 6.0

Cheers :)

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Cheers :)

Just had a 50 minute run in DF. This is just sad.

Asmongold is going to be so mad when he finds out.

That is what you do with your friends: plan DR in advance and melt down things. If you don't have friends, well, beggars can't choose.

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Originally Posted by Jokerz_93

I try to stay more polite than I can, even if this post doesn’t deserve politeness.
First of all:
Assuming It’s my first run in DR, if I’m not using your blessed actions, am I trolling you?
Assuming it’s not my habit grind your trusted actions neither Gill to buy them, am I trolling you?
Assuming I’m not interest in DR and relic farms but this day I joined my fellows party for a friendly run and I don’t have your supercalifragilistic actions or I don’t want to use them, am I trolling you?

For what I’ve read, this post is an useless and childish player’s complaint that sold his last two braincells for a small amount of dps.
But, as I said before I want to stay more polite than I can so here my advises:

1) Stand in front of the mirror. Watch yourself. Take an huge breath and repeat several times: “My life doesn’t change if a DR lasts 40 mins or 15 mins nor someone else.
2) after one hour of gaming take a break. Prepare some coffee. Drink it slowly and while tasting its flavour repeat this in your head: “I’m playing FFXIV to have fun, not to complain everything others may do”.
3) When you are seeing your parses and your analyses keep in mind: “My parses maybe good enough to be considered a “”””””pro”””””” but all these numbers are useful if I am a child”.
4) If you wrote this, it’s legit to think that you use a dps meter, a third program, to track down all the damage that all 48 players do, unless you target all the 48 players and watch player by player which fabulous actions they activated (if so, probably your DR last more than 15 mins because of you are not pressing your buttons).
I want to remember to you that using a third party program is strictly forbidden by SE’s ToS to avoid harassment and other malevolent behaviours. Writing a post who can be read as an harassment by some one like me, who “is trolling you because I never use any actions”, in a public official SE’s forum isn’t wise.
So, this is my final advise, sir. Enjoy your experience in the way you have fun. Don’t complain others playing, take a break if you feel nervous about something and keep in mind that out there nobody cares how long your last DR lasts. If you got frustrated for a game, you will get the same in real life...try to work on this.
Spoiler: Humbleness is not a skill incoming in 6.0

Cheers :)

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Thank you for this helpful advice on how you cope with being a sociopath.

Since you can do the last stage of the relic in DR and speedruns have become a thing in PF I figured I'd give it try. Was so much better. 18 minute runs, nice groups, coordination and communication on raid buffs. Lost Seraph lasts forever, Aetherweaver is extremely easy to get and WHM can easily compete with dps, so you can hop in quite cheaply.

Now that it's 1 CLUSTER per pure essence fragment you're trolling even harder if you don't use pure essences and the actions that come with those fragments (like Flare Star, Rend, Dervish).

Nah... nothing says youre required to use essences or lost actions for normal runs, use what you got but dont really NEED them. Its 100% up to folks on where they want to waste their time, farming or slow runs.

SE definitely needs to add the option to kick people from DR. Once the freeloaders start getting kicked before the first boss starts for not using essences and actions they'll suddenly have time for the obscene grinding of 1 cluster.

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Originally Posted by lezard21

SE definitely needs to add the option to kick people from DR. Once the freeloaders start getting kicked before the first boss starts for not using essences and actions they'll suddenly have time for the obscene grinding of 1 cluster.

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Or people that don't want to deal with people not using essences/actions could just stick to PF.