Prepare to have your mind blown

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Originally Posted by BadOmen

It would be neat if Dalamud pass to be something like.... *input dramatical Chrono Triger music here* LAVOS!!!!.

Well SE has made use of alien entities making changes to earth before just as "the creator" and "Lavos", this last one beign the one who played a gigantic roll into earths changes and evolution, as so going far to control time itself.

And dont forget... the outside body of Lavos was so giant that its shell became a whole mountain in the future of that game's world.

But me im going out of subject. i just like to point that maybe the empyre porpouse dont be make dalamud crash against us, but maybe get it enough close to us to retrieve something from it? be it a rare form of aether or something else that controls it, a lifeform living in it( if it doesnt turn to be itself a living beign), or maybe use it as somesort of weapon to destroy all avatars (remember empyre hate them with passion).

EDIT: Who knows, maybe Dalamud be the native world of the avatars , and the avatars we have atm in our land are avatars that landed on our world and got stuck on our planet when dalamud got summoned time ago, since i dont recall it right, but think a CS makes mention Dalamud has been sumoned succesfully previous to our age.

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I actually kind of like the idea that there is something from the actual moon worth harnessing... maybe some super boss or that anti-aether....
I love lore speculation threads!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Aryden

Is it me or does Dalmud look man made and not like a moon. God I hope it's not something Death Star-like...

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I hope it's something exactly like that...

And I'm surprised nobody is talking about Luclin, from Everquest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EverQue...dows_of_Luclin

It was a moon of Norrath (read: Eorzea) and was the basis of an expansion's content. This is one of the reasons I'm inclined to think Dalamud won't hit us. Somehow it will be stopped, but still gravitate much closer than previously. Then OH GOD PLEASE we will continue the storyline by actually visiting it and killing stuff there, etc.

The crystal is alive...the crystal is dreaming...the Dalamud it's creation...

Garleans massive transport ship to travel to the new world (opening cutscene) destroyed by the bahamut like dragon...since that event the empire has been building...it's ready to try once more...to the MOOON!!!!

The echo the crystal entity talking to us...

By the way...we just popped out of the air when the game started...where do you all think we really are from? The crystal took us...to try to save this world from collapsing...

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Originally Posted by Aryden

Look at the new logo for the Legacy members on the forum front page. Is it me or does Dalmud look man made and not like a moon. God I hope it's not something Death Star-like...

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Having drawn that moon a few times im pretty convinced its man made. Either that or its a regular moon thats been outfitted with some kind of rigging. Theres strange spikes and an all-too-symmetrical feel to them. But then that raises the question: who built the moon??. Personally, Im hoping its a man-made (or whatever-made) satellite, from some long forgotten civilization. Epic +1

Of course it could just be that typical, totally whacked, acid trip FF design of a moon. Or giant space dragon egg.

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Originally Posted by Akubikumo

Having drawn that moon a few times im pretty convinced its man made. Either that or its a regular moon thats been outfitted with some kind of rigging. Theres strange spikes and an all-too-symmetrical feel to them. But then that raises the question: who built the moon??. Personally, Im hoping its a man-made (or whatever-made) satellite, from some long forgotten civilization. Epic +1

Of course it could just be that typical, totally whacked, acid trip FF design of a moon. Or giant space dragon egg.

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Quest spoiler below:

In one of the GC quests (Alive for Maelstrom), Cid implies that Dalamud is in fact a massive relic of the ancient civilization that predated ours (I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called). Whether or not that is actually true is yet to be seen, but there is definitely evidence that Dalamud is, in fact, "... not a moon... a space station".

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Originally Posted by Hulan

Quest spoiler below:

In one of the GC quests (Alive for Maelstrom), Cid implies that Dalamud is in fact a massive relic of the ancient civilization that predated ours (I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called). Whether or not that is actually true is yet to be seen, but there is definitely evidence that Dalamud is, in fact, "... not a moon... a space station".

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I guess it all depends where they take the story if Dalamud is actually man made. I just hope it's not something cheesy.

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Originally Posted by Aryden

I guess it all depends where they take the story if Dalamud is actually man made. I just hope it's not something cheesy.

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Perhaps Dalamud is made of CHHHHEEEESSSSSEEEE Gromit. (Do our American friends know Wallace and Gromet?)

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Perhaps Dalamud is made of CHHHHEEEESSSSSEEEE Gromit. (Do our American friends know Wallace and Gromet?)

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Wallace and Gromet is actually quite the cult classic here in America. I have yet to meet someone who hasn't seen at least one (though I am much more partial to "The Wrong Trousers" myself).

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Originally Posted by Hulan

Wallace and Gromet is actually quite the cult classic here in America. I have yet to meet someone who hasn't seen at least one (though I am much more partial to "The Wrong Trousers" myself).

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My fave is A Grand Day Out, nostalgia it was the first made and the first I saw as a kid. But lets not derail this thread, lets discuss Dalamud made out of cheese and we are gonna build a rocket for cheese on crackers, because we are running low.

Even though I dont like cheese.

And that's how we saved Eorzea.

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Originally Posted by Agoven

By the way...we just popped out of the air when the game started...where do you all think we really are from?

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We are just dreams of the Fayth, and the Zanarkand we know isn't real at all.....

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Originally Posted by Hulan

Quest spoiler below:
In one of the GC quests (Alive for Maelstrom), Cid implies that Dalamud is in fact a massive relic of the ancient civilization that predated ours (I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called). Whether or not that is actually true is yet to be seen, but there is definitely evidence that Dalamud is, in fact, "... not a moon... a space station".

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It is of Allagan Origin...
It doesnt' specify whether it was a natural satellite that was altered or a completely artificial one though

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Originally Posted by Rydin

It is of Allagan Origin...
It doesnt' specify whether it was a natural satellite that was altered or a completely artificial one though

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If that thing is of natural design, then I'm a Moogle.

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Originally Posted by Aryden

The easiest way to explain the change from 1.2x to 2.0, including all of the things discussed about Dalmud, changes to the environment, cities, races, etc is this:

WE FAIL TO STOP IT.

Everything we are doing is via the Echo. 2.0 is our reality and we are looking back at how things came to be. This allows for SE to do/change anything yet still keep a sense of "reality".

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Or, rather than us just merely failing to stop it.... we made things even worse.

http://i1034.photobucket.com/albums/...79c20007c4.jpg

CAN'T FOR THIS!

maybe its an ancient Amusement Park

I said this in my other thread requesting a bigger view of Dalamud.

I noticed the swords (Crosses?) Sticking out of the moon making me think that the moon might actually be some sort of creature or even a primal itself.

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1...ekwko1_250.gif

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Originally Posted by Alerith

If that thing is of natural design, then I'm a Moogle.

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You dont think it could have been naturally and then just heavily altered or enchanted or even infused with anti-aether?

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Originally Posted by Rydin

You dont think it could have been naturally and then just heavily altered or enchanted or even infused with anti-aether?

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If it was altered or enchanted, then that's not it's natural design. -.-;

Its a rolled up sky. Kirin v2 is chilling in the center waiting for us to run up the crystal tower in order to be teleported to it.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

If it was altered or enchanted, then that's not it's natural design. -.-;

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It would still be considered a natural satellite... No matter what we put on the moon or what we do to the moon, it will always be earth's natural satellite

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Originally Posted by Rydin

It would still be considered a natural satellite... No matter what we put on the moon or what we do to the moon, it will always be earth's natural satellite

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Even if us altering it now is what leads to it traveling in the past to be our planet's satellite!? J/K

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Originally Posted by Dragon

Even if us altering it now is what leads to it traveling in the past to be our planet's satellite!? J/K

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ok... ok.. you really just blew my mind right there

Don't forget that Ul'Dah and Thanalan supposedly sit ontop of the ancient civilization of Sil'Dihn. Seems Eorzea has many underground secrets.

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Originally Posted by NoloeTazier

Don't forget that Ul'Dah and Thanalan supposedly sit ontop of the ancient civilization of Sil'Dihn. Seems Eorzea has many underground secrets.

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Not to be outdone is the Eorzean underground music scene....

War wolf has a decent little Indie band

The quest is under alchemy... called "Dream on, Dream Away".



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---->In this quest you actually use the echo to go into the past 10 years ago and save a kid (who is comatose in present day) from dying in a cave. You have a whole conversation with him and then come back into present day and he wakes up and thanks you for saving him.<----

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Originally Posted by Rydin

ok... ok.. you really just blew my mind right there

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o.O I didn't mean to!!!

(...or did I...)

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Originally Posted by Deltara

The quest is under alchemy... called "Dream on, Dream Away".



Spoiler coming, I don't know how to hide text...




---->In this quest you actually use the echo to go into the past 10 years ago and save a kid (who is comatose in present day) from dying in a cave. You have a whole conversation with him and then come back into present day and he wakes up and thanks you for saving him.<----

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Yes.. HE was aware because you were in HIS head... but you were not in the past

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Originally Posted by Rydin

Yes.. HE was aware because you were in HIS head... but you were not in the past

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I wouldn't be so sure, multiple times using the echo has shown that we have a physical presense in that part of the past when we use the echo.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

I wouldn't be so sure, multiple times using the echo has shown that we have a physical presense in that part of the past when we use the echo.

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Right, but I think the debate is whether or not your presence in the echo affects events outside the echo.

Say I use the Echo to view your past, and I eat your cake in the Echo. When we return to normal time, did I really eat your cake, or did you still eat it and events were never changed?

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Originally Posted by Alerith

Right, but I think the debate is whether or not your presence in the echo affects events outside the echo.

Say I use the Echo to view your past, and I eat your cake in the Echo. When we return to normal time, did I really eat your cake, or did you still eat it and events were never changed?

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The ultimate proof would be if someone other than the person whose brain you are in remembers you...
Then that would prove you actually entered the past.... but as long as the only person who notices is the person you were echo'ing.... then Id say no... you are not interacting with the past.... only with a memory

In a previous CS in the same questline, (before you even use the echo), he states that he remembers you from 10 years ago. (the visit of the echo CS) So the echo is something that happened even before it was used.

1. he's in bed comatose, wakes up for a second and says he remembers you from 10 years ago.
2. later, you use the echo and appear before him ten years ago and "save" him in the cave

So the physical presence in the past is very real and it stood apart from you even knowing it happened. You did something in the past, ten years ago, without even knowing that you did... because you hadn't done it in the future yet.

Sorry for all the repetition, but I'm trying to make sense of it myself as i type it.

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Originally Posted by Deltara

In a previous CS in the same questline, (before you even use the echo), he states that he remembers you from 10 years ago. (the visit of the echo CS) So the echo is something that happened even before it was used.

1. he's in bed comatose, wakes up for a second and says he remembers you from 10 years ago.
2. later, you use the echo and appear before him ten years ago and "save" him in the cave

So the physical presence in the past is very real and it stood apart from you even knowing it happened. You did something in the past, ten years ago, without even knowing that you did... because you hadn't done it in the future yet.

Sorry for all the repetition, but I'm trying to make sense of it myself as i type it.

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Great SCOTT.

http://gajitz.com/wp-content/uploads...er-paradox.jpg

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Originally Posted by Denmo

Great SCOTT.

http://gajitz.com/wp-content/uploads...er-paradox.jpg

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I know, this is heavy.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zRavwc0_IL.../doc_brown.jpg

Heavy? I don't get it. Is there something wrong with the Earth's gravitational pull?



Wait....Heavy....Gravity....Pull....Moon....

GRAVITY IS PULLING THE MOON TO EORZEA

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Originally Posted by Deltara

In a previous CS in the same questline, (before you even use the echo), he states that he remembers you from 10 years ago. (the visit of the echo CS) So the echo is something that happened even before it was used.

1. he's in bed comatose, wakes up for a second and says he remembers you from 10 years ago.
2. later, you use the echo and appear before him ten years ago and "save" him in the cave

So the physical presence in the past is very real and it stood apart from you even knowing it happened. You did something in the past, ten years ago, without even knowing that you did... because you hadn't done it in the future yet.

Sorry for all the repetition, but I'm trying to make sense of it myself as i type it.

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That is actually interesting... gives us all some stuff to think about

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Originally Posted by Hulan

Quest spoiler below:

In one of the GC quests (Alive for Maelstrom), Cid implies that Dalamud is in fact a massive relic of the ancient civilization that predated ours (I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called). Whether or not that is actually true is yet to be seen, but there is definitely evidence that Dalamud is, in fact, "... not a moon... a space station".

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Is the Mir Station!!!!

Lunar Cry, FFVIII

Video of said Lunar Cry

Dalamud is a former orbital Allagan city. Then it becomes infested with monsters, hence the red hue.

REPENT! THE END IS NIGH!

http://static.fjcdn.com/comments/Ano...8cd0566adb.jpg

I don't buy the echo theory because, as far as we've seen, you can only use it once at a time. By that I mean, while you are using echo you cannot currently use echo again to go further back. There is no precedent for a multi-level echo existing. Thus we cannot already be using echo as we use it in the current story. Plus it would be pretty lazy and kind of a cop-out. If they were really going to use an echo theory, why even go along with this whole Dalamud bit? Just say, well it was all an echo from a long time ago, the landscape has changed since.

Honestly that theory, if it was right, would kill any motivation I actually have to try and do the events to "stop" Dalamud. I mean if we're using echo then the events set in motion will happen no matter what, we cannot change them. Hate fate, it denies free will.

I'm still going with the, we destroy Dalamud but pieces of it still rain down upon Eorzea which changes the landscape, theory.