Valentione's Day Items

Why the hell can we not put this gear in the armoire?
Every previous event in recent years lets us stuff the gear in the armoire.

I can't find the info anywhere, but does anyone know how many chocolates a labyrinth run gives?

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Originally Posted by Rollout

Why the hell can we not put this gear in the armoire?
Every previous event in recent years lets us stuff the gear in the armoire.

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Yup, this is ridicolous.
I'm not even opening the box since I have nowhere to put it after. Not really wasting dresser slots on something I won't wear.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

I can't find the info anywhere, but does anyone know how many chocolates a labyrinth run gives?

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2 for un favoured and favourable
3 for kindred spirit

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Originally Posted by Rollout

Why the hell can we not put this gear in the armoire?
Every previous event in recent years lets us stuff the gear in the armoire.

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Someone has already mentioned the event may not be over, meaning you'll have to wait for the achievement to make it so.

Not a fan of genderlocking or different looks per gender, never was and never will be, so there's that.

But more so very very much hoping indeed that when the event ends and we get our seasonal achievement (unless they just skipped that?!) we can store it in the armoire...

Nothing more to do then wait and see I suppose >.<

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

2 for un favoured and favourable
3 for kindred spirit

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Thank you!

I dyed my vest and hat jet black so I have a dapper suit. Just need a diamond headed walking cane now.

I have to do the couples things to get the fountain, though. Gonna have to bug some fc mates.

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Originally Posted by Rollout

Why the hell can we not put this gear in the armoire?
Every previous event in recent years lets us stuff the gear in the armoire.

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Each gear set is named differently, so that might be part of it as well. They might not currently have a way of coding it to be available to place in the seasonal tab without also unlocking the other two sets for purchase, and they likely didn’t want that to be an option while voting is still occurring.

I voted for Bert because he made the most real-world sense to me. Astrid's suggestion was highly unprofessional and immature, imo.

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Originally Posted by Chrisnetika

-Naoki Yoshida ,May 29th 2019
Source: https://kotaku.com/we-took-a-bold-st...ect-1835098319

Now move the fk on about gender locking and stop crying about it

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So he already addressed this issue and people are still complaining, sounds about right.

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Originally Posted by VictorTheed

I'm glad yoshida respects us who believe in traditional values, even though his opinion is the opposite of mine he still respects the fact that there is people who hold very dear thier belief systems.

Besides that I wish they'd focus on getting more headgear wearable for hrothgar and viera, as far as glam complaints go that should be their main focus, but all in all I think the devs do a great job with this game.

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I wrote a whole thing but ultimately it just felt too long and drawn out, with a muddled topic, so I scrapped it. But ultimately, the TLDR was that things aren't so black and white on this topic. While I wont say Yoshi and the Devs don't have respect for your values. I wanna say it's more that they are showing respect for the other person because of your values. Sadly, it doesnt take much for people to find something different about someone and use that to persecute them.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

Each gear set is named differently, so that might be part of it as well. They might not currently have a way of coding it to be available to place in the seasonal tab without also unlocking the other two sets for purchase, and they likely didn’t want that to be an option while voting is still occurring.

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I would presume this could be worked around by just having a different achievement per emissary. Like maybe

(Flower)s for a Lancer's arm, with the flower being the one specific to the emissary you chose.

The achievement being a reference to Flowers for Algernon. Thought that is a sad story so, T.T

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Originally Posted by Eloah

I would presume this could be worked around by just having a different achievement per emissary. Like maybe

(Flower)s for a Lancer's arm, with the flower being the one specific to the emissary you chose.

The achievement being a reference to Flowers for Algernon. Thought that is a sad story so, T.T

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Possibly. Wonder if they would get complaints from achievement hunters by doing that, though?

Also if they delay it until after the event, then it's possible everyone can purchase every set from the calamity salvagers. There's already a couple achievements tied to your starting city, so I guess that would be the only reference point to people complaining that there are achievements they can't ever get....

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Originally Posted by wereotter

Possibly. Wonder if they would get complaints from achievement hunters by doing that, though?

Also if they delay it until after the event, then it's possible everyone can purchase every set from the calamity salvagers. There's already a couple achievements tied to your starting city, so I guess that would be the only reference point to people complaining that there are achievements they can't ever get....

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There are some achievements like that already, as you said with the starting city and GC ones. But I think most players know they are just lateral achievements, only used to show a place of origin or allegiance as opposed to actual gain.

I'd have liked to try out the vest/shorts/stocking combo; maybe someday.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPgJtqBU...jpg&name=small

I also drew my catboy in a dress and while it's technically SFW I'm hiding it behind a link because of wandering hands.

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Originally Posted by Sated

I'd have liked to try out the vest/shorts/stocking combo; maybe someday.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPgJtqBU...jpg&name=small

I also drew my catboy in a dress and while it's technically SFW I'm hiding it behind a link because of wandering hands.

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Honestly, your catboi still looks like they could be a cat girl. But that has more to do with miqo'te features and not your drawing, which is quite good. Nice job.

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Originally Posted by Gula

Someone has already mentioned the event may not be over, meaning you'll have to wait for the achievement to make it so.

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Correct it is not over as we are still waiting for the voting results and other quests associated with that.

Really annoing how they keep making it impossible to make solid colour...

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Originally Posted by Erendis

Really annoing how they keep making it impossible to make solid colour...

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What I don't like is that it's a black we can't really achieve. It's not soot black, not jet black, but a custom color that shows even if you want a clean look. And unfortunately, we can't pick a side.

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Originally Posted by Gula

What I don't like is that it's a black we can't really achieve. It's not soot black, not jet black, but a custom color that shows even if you want a clean look. And unfortunately, we can't pick a side.

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Actually, it's not black. Found out it's Dark Brown. That should match up properly.

Not the best pic, but here it is with Dark Brown dye:

https://i.imgur.com/SA6Xbhv.jpg

I'm begging you SE, please remove the genderlock from these sets. I direly want a proper waistcoat for my female miqo'te.

Having unlocked the dress for my highlanders, the dress isn't anywhere near as bad as people were saying it was. Not even for tall races, because Roe, Elezen, and Viera look just fine with it. It was better to wait and actually try the dress, then to go by the screenshots of the smaller races.

https://i.imgur.com/fTv9FDj.png

Can't help but think a lot of the complaints against it was just entitlement, because the guys had some nice-looking glamour.

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Originally Posted by REPROBEAN_CHILD

Can't help but think a lot of the complaints against it was just entitlement, because the guys had some nice-looking glamour.

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It is. The Songbird outfits were different for the two genders but they were well received.

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Originally Posted by Sated

I'd have liked to try out the vest/shorts/stocking combo; maybe someday.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPgJtqBU...jpg&name=small

I also drew my catboy in a dress and while it's technically SFW I'm hiding it behind a link because of wandering hands.

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I love both so much! But the catboy one oh my!

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Originally Posted by REPROBEAN_CHILD

Having unlocked the dress for my highlanders, the dress isn't anywhere near as bad as people were saying it was. Not even for tall races, because Roe, Elezen, and Viera look just fine with it. It was better to wait and actually try the dress, then to go by the screenshots of the smaller races.


Can't help but think a lot of the complaints against it was just entitlement, because the guys had some nice-looking glamour.

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I like the dress itself but the clipping/dye is really annoying

https://i.imgur.com/2bEt7iQ.png

When using dark brown it looks like the non dyeable part is greyish and when using soot black it looks like purpleish.

That's too bad because I like its shape.

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Originally Posted by REPROBEAN_CHILD

Can't help but think a lot of the complaints against it was just entitlement, because the guys had some nice-looking glamour.

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Just because you like it doesn't mean everyone else should. As paying customers to the service provided we have a right to voice our complaints.

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Originally Posted by REPROBEAN_CHILD

Can't help but think a lot of the complaints against it was just entitlement, because the guys had some nice-looking glamour.

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I was never a big fan of the dress because I didn't like its shape before, and I'm even less happy with it now. The clipping with my hands and tail is awful. If the skirt was narrower and the sleeves were a little different, I'd probably like it, but as it is I like everything BUT the dress about the outfit.

I love the guy's outfit though, and would love to have it - and as someone else said, to be able to mix and match the two.

I don't really think a lot of the complaints are "entitlement." Not that I've seen anyway. Seems mostly to be a matter of personal preference.

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Originally Posted by Gula

Just because you like it doesn't mean everyone else should. As paying customers to the service provided we have a right to voice our complaints.

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I didn't say everyone has to like it. But the amount of hatred the dress received before it was released was ridiculous. And sure, you can voice your opinion as a 'paying customer'. But doesn't guarantee they're going to do it.

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Originally Posted by Avidria

I don't really think a lot of the complaints are "entitlement." Not that I've seen anyway. Seems mostly to be a matter of personal preference.

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It's fair if it's not your thing. It's not even in my top favorite items. But it's far from awful and nowhere near as bad as the Faerie Princess dress, which can eat your hand. It seemed like a technical reason why their dresses aren't usually narrow.

I call it entitlement because for many years, one of the biggest complaints about FFXIV was that the game clothing designs "caters to female characters." People especially pointed out that Heavenward's AST relic gear was clearly designed for female characters. So you have a ton of players with male characters complain that they want their glam to be just as good as the girls'. On this very forum, people were answering them with "if you want it, then fantasia into a girl lol!" Suddenly, male get something well-designed, then those same people telling them to fantasia want it unisex

Poster in 2017: If you want it, then fantasia into a girl
Same poster in 2020: We should have the right to choice glams

Funny, because no one complained about the songbird gear being gendered

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Originally Posted by REPROBEAN_CHILD

I call it entitlement because for many years, one of the biggest complaints about FFXIV was that the game clothing designs "caters to female characters." People especially pointed out that Heavenward's AST relic gear was clearly designed for female characters. So you have a ton of players with male characters complain that they want their glam to be just as good as the girls'. On this very forum, people were answering them with "if you want it, then fantasia into a girl lol!" Suddenly, male get something well-designed, then those same people telling them to fantasia want it unisex

Poster in 2017: If you want it, then fantasia into a girl
Same poster in 2020: We should have the right to choice glams

Funny, because no one complained about the songbird gear being gendered

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You are my new favorite person on the forum. And bonus because you are a Roe. I like Roes, XD.

Also are any other Male lalafells gonna try and pair the vest with shorts, instead of the given pants, to try and look as adorable as possible?

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Originally Posted by REPROBEAN_CHILD

Funny, because no one complained about the songbird gear being gendered

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Oh people complained just nowhere near as much because the quality between the two sets was equal, this year's Valentione day sets are not, the female one has an bit of a clipping problem especially with just standing around hands go through it, coupled this with the knowledge that removing genderlock on old gear pieces is being a thing (When is another matter) people are just wanting this bumped up in the queue to remove it faster since there are fewer suits for females.

Personal note I'd love the tights females get for my male characters yet we got another set of pants, your running out of trouser lengths SE (This one is slightly longer than Butler's while not as baggy as Clouds) :P

I love how people want to try to invalidate opinions with 'you're ENTITLED'... what a crock.

People want equality in the choices in how they glamour their characters, just like how they dress IRL. And it is no one's business how a person dresses IRL OR in-game. I'm a small petite girl IRL and I DESPISE frilly cute little dresses. I want bespoke vests and slacks for no other reasons than I find them more comfortable and freeing to move in. That's all. It's just my preference. And I find it more aesthetically pleasing to me. I should have that same freedom in-game. I've said so for LITERALLY YEARS. This isn't some new phenom just because I find 'this particular dress' unpalatable. It's the same for others.

'But Tsal, I haven't seen as many people saying so! That means it just hasn't been as big a deal!'

Well, that's bully for you? Maybe you weren't on the forums as much? Or weren't talking to EVERYONE? Your sample sizes are limited and skewed.

Also, NO ONE is trying to 'take away' the nice male glam. Just because they want to open up the CHOICE FOR EVERYONE doesn't mean it suddenly GOES AWAY from the dudes. Good grief. That's the most childish take I've seen yet. Kindergarten was supposed to teach people what sharing entailed, right? That opening things up to everyone doesn't actually take the thing way from others? Check that out, it's a thing. Also, if the B2 glam, the Bunny glam... and every caster robe glam that dudes wear hasn't made people with so-called 'traditional values' (what?) keel over... opening up choices for everyone to wear what they want... removing the gender-locks won't either. Just saying.

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Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth

I love how people want to try to invalidate opinions with 'you're ENTITLED'... what a crock.

People want equality in the choices in how they glamour their characters, just like how they dress IRL. And it is no one's business how a person dresses IRL OR in-game. I'm a small petite girl IRL and I DESPISE frilly cute little dresses. I want bespoke vests and slacks for no other reasons than I find them more comfortable and freeing to move in. That's all. It's just my preference. And I find it more aesthetically pleasing to me. I should have that same freedom in-game. I've said so for LITERALLY YEARS. This isn't some new phenom just because I find 'this particular dress' unpalatable. It's the same for others.

'But Tsal, I haven't seen as many people saying so! That means it just hasn't been as big a deal!'

Well, that's bully for you? Maybe you weren't on the forums as much? Or weren't talking to EVERYONE? Your sample sizes are limited and skewed.

Also, NO ONE is trying to 'take away' the nice male glam. Just because they want to open up the CHOICE FOR EVERYONE doesn't mean it suddenly GOES AWAY from the dudes. Good grief. That's the most childish take I've seen yet. Kindergarten was supposed to teach people what sharing entailed, right? That opening things up to everyone doesn't actually take the thing way from others? Check that out, it's a thing. Also, if the B2 glam, the Bunny glam... and every caster robe glam that dudes wear hasn't made people with so-called 'traditional values' (what?) keel over... opening up choices for everyone to wear what they want... removing the gender-locks won't either. Just saying.

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It's entitled because
1) Guys should have something nice for themselves, which has been improving
2) You act as if there aren't alterative to the jacket, when there's tons of them in game THAT ARE UNISEX. Not even counting the Bestman's gear, there's the Scion jacket, the lvl 60 Shire gear, the gear from St. Mocianne/Pharos Sirius HM, gear from Holminster Switch, some of the Scavaen gear, and others throughout the game. Again, all unisex options. If you hated dresses so much, you could've considered those. But the "wahhh!! I want this one!" when there's already a plethora of alternative options seems entitled to me.

And yeah, it's not a new phenomena, but it certainly kicked up in 2019 for some reason.

Why should any gear be restricted? Gear should be unrestricted and they are lifting that, as we've already been privy to. There's zero reason to 'x group should have a limited thing' at all. That thinking only rose up because there has been limited things before and an imbalance happened, causing ill-will. Removing restrictions and opening it up so everyone has access to everything wipes that and puts everyone on the same level. I still laugh every time someone goes 'the guys should have something for themselves' because I don't think either group should have restricted glamours at all. None of the gear, that includes the ones sold in the mog station for the Iconic Characters like Aymeric, Y'shtola and Hien etc, should be restricted by gender.

As for the gear you were mentioning, all of those are limited by Class, Level and usually are cluttered style-wise. But are used often for just those reasons. It doesn't take away from the overall discontent of gender-lock issue.

And no, people are STILL not 'entitled'... though you can try to lable them as such just because you don't like their opinions.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

Oh people complained just nowhere near as much because the quality between the two sets was equal, this year's Valentione day sets are not, the female one has an bit of a clipping problem especially with just standing around hands go through it, coupled this with the knowledge that removing genderlock on old gear pieces is being a thing (When is another matter) people are just wanting this bumped up in the queue to remove it faster since there are fewer suits for females.

Personal note I'd love the tights females get for my male characters yet we got another set of pants, your running out of trouser lengths SE (This one is slightly longer than Butler's while not as baggy as Clouds) :P

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But the outfits are equal, it's clear that both outfits received a lot of time in their design. SE has been better at making both sets feel equal as of late, and not having the Male version be a sad recolor of an already existing piece if gear; looking at you Valentiones's apron and Witch's attire.

Clipping is sadly something the devs have stated they dont focus on all that much, because they arent going to design an outfit around a pose the player might only be in 2% of the time. Slow down some animations and take a look at some of the other outfits and you'll see a lot more clipping than you'd want to. The only issue is because females tend to have more "long assests" it tends to show up on them more. The best, personal, example I can give is with male lalafell arms the mesh for the underarm and shoulders aren't great and look horrible when the arms move a certain way with certain outfits. As far as I know females dont have that issue.

As for the pants, yeah I get that; yay more pants, but at least they look nice... That being said the tights look like they would be and interesting jester glam. Time to burn down things until I can wear them right, lol.

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Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth

I love how people want to try to invalidate opinions with 'you're ENTITLED'... what a crock.

People want equality in the choices in how they glamour their characters, just like how they dress IRL. And it is no one's business how a person dresses IRL OR in-game. I'm a small petite girl IRL and I DESPISE frilly cute little dresses. I want bespoke vests and slacks for no other reasons than I find them more comfortable and freeing to move in. That's all. It's just my preference. And I find it more aesthetically pleasing to me. I should have that same freedom in-game. I've said so for LITERALLY YEARS. This isn't some new phenom just because I find 'this particular dress' unpalatable. It's the same for others.

'But Tsal, I haven't seen as many people saying so! That means it just hasn't been as big a deal!'

Well, that's bully for you? Maybe you weren't on the forums as much? Or weren't talking to EVERYONE? Your sample sizes are limited and skewed.

Also, NO ONE is trying to 'take away' the nice male glam. Just because they want to open up the CHOICE FOR EVERYONE doesn't mean it suddenly GOES AWAY from the dudes. Good grief. That's the most childish take I've seen yet. Kindergarten was supposed to teach people what sharing entailed, right? That opening things up to everyone doesn't actually take the thing way from others? Check that out, it's a thing. Also, if the B2 glam, the Bunny glam... and every caster robe glam that dudes wear hasn't made people with so-called 'traditional values' (what?) keel over... opening up choices for everyone to wear what they want... removing the gender-locks won't either. Just saying.

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Look everyone is allowed an opinion, and I wont deny you yours. But I feel you are missing the point about why people are upset, that others were upset.

To start, SE said they were going to ease up on gender restrictions, and were looking to unlock some, that doesnt mean gender locking is disappearing all together. People seem to be in an uproar about the gender lock currently since they saw a bunch of things unlocked during a leak. But a majority of those things were wedding related, and Yoshi-P said in an interview they were unlocking the wedding attire so people could wear whatever they wanted. However, a lot of people were "annoyed" that the leak showed more unlocks for males than females, not remembering that all of the unlocks are available for females currently. Which in some peoples eyes made it look like males were getting more when that wasn't the case.

In regards to the current Valentione's day outfit. The reason some people are stating that the people who voiced displeasure with the dress are "Entitled" is because of how things played out. People didn't "disapprove" of the dress and then wait to give an honest opinion once they had access to it. It was automatically, "I don't like the dress give me the suit". This makes it seem like those voicing that displeasure expect to get the suit unlocked instead of just not likeing the dress.

Additionally, this situation might sound similar to the ones long ago, when the males clamoured for the unlocking of female outfits, but it is not. In those instances it wasnt that the males got a unique outfit they didn't enjoy. It was that males didn't get a unique outfit period, they always "shared" their outfit with females. Even with the bunny outfit, which was eventually unlocked, most people requested to at least get just the ears unlocked. Once things started getting fairer the player base calmed down. And the whole Viera/Hrothgar thing aside, SE has maintained fair gender glamours since at least late Heavensward early Stormblood.

I am not saying that people who play females should go through a stretch like the ones males went through. But, it does help to try and view things with a different perspective. Just because you think something isn't fair doesn't mean it's not. And sadly, this reward is fair. People not liking it is a personal bias and not SE showing favoritism for one gender or another.

PS. Clipping while an issue, isn't a factor in this topic as much as one might think. Because it's not so much a design flaw, as much as it's SE's lax rules on clipping in general. The male outfit clips too, not as much but it does.

People keep saying there is "inequality" between the outfits like there's some objective way to measure how "good" they look... that's 100% subjective.

The only equality between these outfits would be if there was no gender restriction and people could wear whichever pieces they liked more.

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Originally Posted by Sated

The only equality between these outfits would be if there was no gender restriction and people could wear whichever pieces they liked more.

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That's not exactly how equality works, especially within the confines of a video game, though the sentiment is a nice one.

Equality is being fair to all parties involved. A seperation of gender doesn't equate to inequality. Probably a decent example I can give is medical treatment for men and women. Men and women have different medical needs, but it can't be denied that women have a greater need compared to men. However, as long as those needs are met fairly for both, that's equality.

This topic could devolve into chaos so I'll just leave it there.

On another note though. Isn't it funny how something as "trivial" as a gender locked outfit in a video game, that arguably is nothing in the grand scheme of things, can bring about a better discussion about equality than actual debates on the topic.

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Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth

Also, NO ONE is trying to 'take away' the nice male glam. Just because they want to open up the CHOICE FOR EVERYONE doesn't mean it suddenly GOES AWAY from the dudes.

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You're wrong. There isn't a trend in this game to get two thematically similar unisex outfits at the same time. It's either a single unisex outfit or two genderlocked outfits. They are not going to be releasing two unisex sets at once. Before you start accusing people of "making it their business what other people want their character model to wear", explain how getting just one set of glamour is not going to affect every player.

Getting a unisex 2B glam very much "took away" a Nier themed male outfit from the vast majority of people playing male characters. That's the end result of not making separate male and female glamours. It's childish to not acknowledge that certain outfits look so ridiculous on one gender that they can only function as joke glamours, and expect people to like the idea that half of future glamours are going to look stupid because they are designed for the other gender.

The Songbird and Riviera sets are examples of well made genderlocked outfits which no one threw a fit over. This new dress does have clipping issues, but I'd still rather have what we got than only the dress or only the suit as a unisex glamour like 2B.

This is the classic 'do you just not get it or are you being intentionally obtuse' moment here...

...what people are asking for is 'keep both sets, just open them up for E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E'. You're the one who is saying 'they won't make the two sets' here, not us. You're the one who has unilaterally decided that removing the gender-lock automatically means 'welp, they are only going to make a single item going forward, RIP'.

The B2 glam was a fun thing, much like the Bunny Suit which was created after a lot of demand. I'm assuming it was done because Yoko Taro has a very fun sense of humour. You'll notice that the REST of the raid gear changes to match the gender of the avatar and does not 'remove anything from male avatars' WHAT SO EVER... much to the chagrin of a lot of us who'd LOVE to use the male-gendered coats, thank you very much.

Childish is making a blanket assumption about what will or won't be created if gender-locks are removed and then demanding that those of us wanting the locks be removed suddenly explain to everyone how we would be responsible for this supposed removal of gear that you are magically assuming would be happening... when you don't even know would happen. I don't get how people are SO against wanting things open across the playing field... it's honestly mind-boggling.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

But the outfits are equal, it's clear that both outfits received a lot of time in their design. SE has been better at making both sets feel equal as of late, and not having the Male version be a sad recolor of an already existing piece if gear; looking at you Valentiones's apron and Witch's attire.

Clipping is sadly something the devs have stated they dont focus on all that much, because they arent going to design an outfit around a pose the player might only be in 2% of the time. Slow down some animations and take a look at some of the other outfits and you'll see a lot more clipping than you'd want to. The only issue is because females tend to have more "long assests" it tends to show up on them more. The best, personal, example I can give is with male lalafell arms the mesh for the underarm and shoulders aren't great and look horrible when the arms move a certain way with certain outfits. As far as I know females dont have that issue.

As for the pants, yeah I get that; yay more pants, but at least they look nice... That being said the tights look like they would be and interesting jester glam. Time to burn down things until I can wear them right, lol.

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I think it has pick up so much heat is due to the pose that has it clipping is the just stand still for a few seconds a very common pose a lot of people are going to do compared to say a clipping while doing the manderville etc.

Remember the flower crown similar situation people will remember but it will die down after the event period, this just has a better chance to change since the sets are not both tied to 1 piece of gear that changes based on gender.

Also nah anyone threatening to burn stuff over a glam piece needs to get help.

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Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth

This is the classic 'do you just not get it or are you being intentionally obtuse' moment here...

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It really is. I genuinely can't tell who's trolling/derailing on purpose and who just doesn't understand what the request is. Or worse.

I just want to wear the glamours.

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Originally Posted by REPROBEAN_CHILD

It's fair if it's not your thing. It's not even in my top favorite items. But it's far from awful and nowhere near as bad as the Faerie Princess dress, which can eat your hand. It seemed like a technical reason why their dresses aren't usually narrow.

I call it entitlement because for many years, one of the biggest complaints about FFXIV was that the game clothing designs "caters to female characters." People especially pointed out that Heavenward's AST relic gear was clearly designed for female characters. So you have a ton of players with male characters complain that they want their glam to be just as good as the girls'. On this very forum, people were answering them with "if you want it, then fantasia into a girl lol!" Suddenly, male get something well-designed, then those same people telling them to fantasia want it unisex

Poster in 2017: If you want it, then fantasia into a girl
Same poster in 2020: We should have the right to choice glams

Funny, because no one complained about the songbird gear being gendered

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I say awful because on Miqo'te, it really is awful. Half of my tail is eaten by the dress, and it's not just the top half. The tail clips out then back in again at the ruffle along the hem. It genuinely looks bad when I move, to me at least, which is why I won't be using it. I actually like the bodice and necklace and could probably ignore the weird ruffly sleeves if the skirt wasn't like that.

Some people probably are being a bit excessive about the reaction, but I dunno if I'd say entitled... definitely not about the majority of the posts I've seen. Personally I've always thought the "lol just fantasia" argument is absurd, and I've been unhappy with the gender (and racial) limitations on glamour for years. My first disappointment when I first started playing was finding out that Snow's outfit and hairstyle were genderlocked, after seeing them, loving them, and looking them up.

And idk about the Songbird set... I think the event where it was available in game happened while I was taking a break from the game, so I wasn't there for that. Those sets at least look pretty similar in style and shape, though, looking at them now. I like the guy version better there too... RIP me I guess, lmao.