Any word on when we will get an Auction House?

I see no reason why they couldn't exist side by side but at the same point, I don't see a need for one if you have the other. Unless the auction house has some unique properties like being global and having unique penalties associated with it, it would be almost identical to the market ward system we have now.

At launch I could see the need for it, the wards sucked. Now the wards are functioning as I think they were intended to so there's not a lot of need at this point.

Change Market Ward name to Auction House.

You have an auction house.

Same thing, different name new twist.

Remember FFXI Invented the AH in MMO's. XIV had to do something new.

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Originally Posted by BelgianRofl

I can't understand why any of you would think the market wards are a better system than an auction house. Do you want this game to fail or to succeed?

I don't know about you, but I don't want to play an empty MMO.

You say the AH makes people lazy.... this is a video game that we're playing on our spare time. I spend my day earning money. I don't want to work on my leisure time.

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Well put BelgianRofl.

I'm reading a whole lot of "well once it's patched, the Market Ward System will be wonderful".

Well it's not wonderful now, and I've got an inventory's worth of items to unload. Traveling between three cities in hopes they'll have some item is the most painful system I've seen in any MMO.

Let's be frank: If you want something to wear on your head, there are THREE different search listings. Tiara or Crown?! BAH!

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

Change Market Ward name to Auction House.

You have an auction house.

Same thing, different name new twist.

Remember FFXI Invented the AH in MMO's. XIV had to do something new.

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>_> no it didn't.

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Originally Posted by Raansu

>_> no it didn't.

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Name one that came before it that had a functioning auction house?

I was pretty sure there hasn't been one, theres always been a "Open Market" where you sat your character for a while to sell stuff.

Keep in mind AO's doesn't count because it wasn't usable before XI came out in japan with theirs 0.o

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Originally Posted by Marquisbern

Let's be frank: If you want something to wear on your head, there are THREE different search listings. Tiara or Crown?! BAH!

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Wrong. There are three *in the Tailor's Ward* (Hat, Headgear, Mask). There are two more in Jeweler's (Crown, Eyewear).

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

Change Market Ward name to Auction House.

You have an auction house.

Same thing, different name new twist.

Remember FFXI Invented the AH in MMO's. XIV had to do something new.

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I agree with the former statement somewhat. We do have a basic, featureless AH, just with walking - the twist itself died when the original Wards concept was destroyed with the addition of a search function.

I really hope they don't add chocobos, quests, airships or cutscenes, though, since they were invented in an earlier game. ;)

Well that's cool, you like market wards but some of us prefer auction house. We like to save our time and just run over AH and purchase things. I agree, it's much easier now then before but still. I don't see why we can't have both, if the item isn't listed in wards well you have a second place to look "Auction House".

Market Wards upgrades have made it better than an Auction house in my opinion. Hopefully it NEVER turns into the old FFXI auction house system!

Can i know the process of FFXI AH, is it similar to AH in WoW? where once you got the item you need to wait an hour to receive it?

The AH in XI is essentially the same as wow. The only major differences are the following

No Search Feature, all items are static so you can just pin down categories and see the items in that category.

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Equipment > Armor > Helmet shows all helmets and sorts them any variety of ways.

When you buy an item it logs the transaction for 10 consecutive transactions so theres a price history.
and you get it instantly in your mailbox.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

The AH in XI is essentially the same as wow. The only major differences are the following

No Search Feature, all items are static so you can just pin down categories and see the items in that category.

IE
Equipment > Armor > Helmet shows all helmets and sorts them any variety of ways.

When you buy an item it logs the transaction for 10 consecutive transactions so theres a price history.
and you get it instantly in your mailbox.

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so do i need to wait an hour for my item to arrive?

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

Can i know the process of FFXI AH, is it similar to AH in WoW? where once you got the item you need to wait an hour to receive it?

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In neither game do you have to wait an hour to receive an item purchased on the AH. AH purchases in both are sent to your delivery box immediately. I'm not sure if that's always been the case, but that's how it is currently in both WoW and XI.

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Originally Posted by ShinChuck

In neither game do you have to wait an hour to receive an item purchased on the AH. AH purchases in both are sent to your delivery box immediately. I'm not sure if that's always been the case, but that's how it is currently in both WoW and XI.

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In WoW, we need to wait an hour before the item arrive in our mailbox. But if you say that in XI that AH send the item immediately that is good! :D but i love Retainer wards, because of my shopping habit :C who knows the item i find in the retainer that i mark have other things i want? xD but yea AH does beat Retainer Market by speed, but is ok, because is only taking a few minutes to walk up there to take it.

So in the end i dont feel the need of having Auction House as of it now.

There no point of a AH at this point, The ward is a 90% working AH. You look up a item you see what you want all you have to do is go enter and talk to the npc. If you to lazy for that then i don't know why you playing a mmo. I played WoW and the fanbase for the game is sick there all lazy want everything handed too them there all full of it. Big % of wow players know that Blizzard only want $ and don't like fixing bugs that been in the game sense release.

I do say this SE at least take the time to fix problem but one thing i want from them is. Listen to your players but don't become blizzard and add everything we want. I'm not playing FFXIV- fan made game i playing FFXIV Square einix made.

The ward works great no need for AH at this point.

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

In WoW, we need to wait an hour before the item arrive in our mailbox.

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ok, you are right, but wrong

in wow, you need to wait an hour before the gold from what you sell arrives in your box

stuff you buy is instant

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

In WoW, we need to wait an hour before the item arrive in our mailbox.

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I think you're confused. Items bought off the AH arrive immediately in your mailbox. Cash from sales on the AH, or items sent player to player have an hour delay. But items bought from an AH on WoW do *not* have a delay, they are instantly sent to you mailbox.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

ok, you are right, but wrong

in wow, you need to wait an hour before the gold from what you sell arrives in your box

stuff you buy is instant

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Ah! O_O my mistake sorry2. xD just woke upo 6AM now.

I really hope they add in an auction system. Market wards has some significant problems.

1. Wards become full. Once a ward is full, you have to take a penalty for putting your retainer in the wrong ward.
2. You have to take a penalty for selling different types of items on your retainer; can't sell cloth, food, and plate chest pieces without being penalized for 2 out of 3 sales.
3. Even with searching, it's a hassle to get your items or set up items for sale. Shopping for stuff in an MMO should be extremely quick and simple.

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Originally Posted by Defmetal

We don't really need an auction house, the market wards do everything an AH does except that you have to pick up your item(s).

What does an AH do that you can't do in the wards?

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I assume you're joking? For one thing, it is too time consuming in an already tedious game of required crafting/farming to look up prices, even by using the Market Wards. Even if a player WANTS to go itemsearch by itemsearch and find a good price that way, if there's 0 of that item, you can't even go back and check what the last one sold for. Inflation is already rampant and new players starting out have no chance of advancement--we are priced out of the game at the "get go". I can only suspect two things. 1. SE is just too plain lazy/greedy to dedicate the necessary resources to address this issue or 2. though gil slaving/selling is supposedly not allowed, they are encouraging it....perhaps as a money making venture with slaves of their own. Either way, this should have been foreseen and addressed in beta. I am strongly considering leaving SE and while I can't stand WoW, I'm sure I can find some other GAME to PLAY that isn't that much WORK! Where is the fun. I mean I know it's Asian culture to ingrain mindless slavery among it's citizens, but we're not all Asian and many of us HAVE jobs!

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Originally Posted by Solfleur

I assume you're joking? For one thing, it is too time consuming in an already tedious game of required crafting/farming to look up prices, even by using the Market Wards. Even if a player WANTS to go itemsearch by itemsearch and find a good price that way, if there's 0 of that item, you can't even go back and check what the last one sold for. Inflation is already rampant and new players starting out have no chance of advancement--we are priced out of the game at the "get go". I can only suspect two things. 1. SE is just too plain lazy/greedy to dedicate the necessary resources to address this issue or 2. though gil slaving/selling is supposedly not allowed, they are encouraging it....perhaps as a money making venture with slaves of their own. Either way, this should have been foreseen and addressed in beta. I am strongly considering leaving SE and while I can't stand WoW, I'm sure I can find some other GAME to PLAY that isn't that much WORK! Where is the fun. I mean I know it's Asian culture to ingrain mindless slavery among it's citizens, but we're not all Asian and many of us HAVE jobs!

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Excuse me but what the different with AH item search and Market Wards Item search? They both function the same :P

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Originally Posted by Defmetal

We don't really need an auction house, the market wards do everything an AH does except that you have to pick up your item(s).

What does an AH do that you can't do in the wards?

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Well, an AH stays up for more than a day.

Having an AH would make things move faster.

*heads to AH*
*looks for item*
*Buys item*
*KILLS*

For retainers.

*head to ward*
*search for item*
*search for name*
*Search for the player is located*
*search for item in bazaar*
*purchase item*
*leave ward*
*KILL*

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

Excuse me but what the different with AH item search and Market Wards Item search? They both function the same :P

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You didn't read my entire post. That is y fault because it was long I suppose. But as I and many others have pointed out, there is no price history if there are 0 of an item in pricesearch. It's tedious in an already tedious game. Totally nonsensical...or corrupt.

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

Excuse me but what the different with AH item search and Market Wards Item search? They both function the same :P

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Sorry, I meant Item Search, and :P back atcha.

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Originally Posted by Solfleur

Sorry, I meant Item Search, and :P back atcha.

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so if the retainer system was added a price list history wouldn't that solve your problems?

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Originally Posted by Gath

This

An AH just makes people lazy, with this way of th market wards I feel I am at a mall. . .minus the EMO

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have to agree here. AH is not needed. Wards can be tweaked to the point where they functionally replace an AH.... which they pretty much already do.

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

so if the retainer system was added a price list history wouldn't that solve your problems?

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Well, that addresses ONE of the issues that market wards still has.

Market Wards are not really bad now , but if I have to find a complete armour set , some items for crafting etc I need TOO MUCH time !!

I have not many hours for playing so an AH will minimize lost time .

And when a POST SYSTEM to send items or gils to a friend that is not logged or cannot come in front of me ?????????

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Originally Posted by Balbanes

have to agree here. AH is not needed. Wards can be tweaked to the point where they functionally replace an AH.... which they pretty much already do.

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Wards are a basic AH, just with an unintuitive interface and extra walking. Wards are a type of AH at this point, there is no "AH not needed, I'm happy with Wards."

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Originally Posted by Defmetal

We don't really need an auction house, the market wards do everything an AH does except that you have to pick up your item(s).

What does an AH do that you can't do in the wards?

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Let's see...

For starters, Gridania (a.k.a. a 'starting city') would not be an absolute GHOST TOWN a few months after release if there was a world-wide AH. Since Uldah had all the coblyns in the beginning, it gained the economy once everyone started playing there. Since the economies aren't inter-connected worldwide with an AH, Gridania and now Limsa Lominsa are both becoming pretty vacant.



What else... oh yes. It takes about 1/5th the time to actually put an item up for sale.

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Originally Posted by ShinChuck

Wards are a basic AH, just with an unintuitive interface and extra walking. Wards are a type of AH at this point, there is no "AH not needed, I'm happy with Wards."

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Exactly i dont think AH is needed anymore since we have what Retainer Wards that function similar with AH. So yea Adding the price list history as suggested by Solfleur and you have a upgrade Market Wards! :D

We don't need an AH. Just fix the problems with the wards and have a way to see if the item you're looking for is +1, +2, etc.

Edit: With ffxi's AH, you could only sell 7 items at a time. With retainers you can sell 10 items on each retainer

I kinda feel the current system is an attempt to appease people with a form of an AH. Its not terrible but it's nothing compared to what an AH really should be. Maybe if they just allow you to buy the item from outside the market ward and organize things a bit better it maybe a better system. I personally am not a fan of the current system but it'll do until they can make something better.

Will you guys stop, yes we do need an AH people are quitting the game as it is that being part of the reason we need to draw crowds. Besides I like being able to drop some items on to the AH and go do something more relative to the game not spend an hours trying to setup my stupid retainer and throw him into a crowd ridden room with a chance of him getting kicked out for no apparent reason ><

The current market ward system diminishes the pleasure in 'shopping'. Let's say I want to buy 10 different things, I have to walk to the end of each ward to access the search menu, then zone to that ward to then look for the retainer. And then access the retainer's bazaar to purchase. Then walk back to the end then repeat it again. What a waste of time!!
AH is a big component of MMO. It adds in pleasure in shopping and selling.

With already limited playing time as a professional in RL, we want to play the game efficiently and smoothly. This kind of time sink is such a turn off for a life long FF and MMO fan like myself.

I have a few real life friends who quit the game and told me that they won't come back until SE makes an AH.

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Originally Posted by SekushiMegami

The current market ward system diminishes the pleasure in 'shopping'. Let's say I want to buy 10 different things, I have to walk to the end of each ward to access the search menu, then zone to that ward to then look for the retainer. And then access the retainer's bazaar to purchase. Then walk back to the end then repeat it again. What a waste of time!!
AH is a big component of MMO. It adds in pleasure in shopping and selling.

With already limited playing time as a professional in RL, we want to play the game efficiently and smoothly. This kind of time sink is such a turn off for a life long FF and MMO fan like myself.

I have a few real life friends who quit the game and told me that they won't come back until SE makes an AH.

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I absolutely agree with this.. SE's whole standpoint right now is streamlining the game.. Making it user friendly and making it work.. In what way shape or form are the Market Wards as now categorized REMOTELY close to being "streamlined and user friendly"?

Auction House.

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Originally Posted by Suirieko

At first I felt we should have Auction House, but ever since they fixed up Market Ward, I actually prefer Market Ward to Auction House. I feel it has a lot more possibility this way and can work better. There's still some issues (IE the ward keeps crashing, thus dumping all the retainers). Once the issues get fixed, and gets more feature, it will be better.

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I like the idea of both. There were Bazaars in ffxi, and our retainers provide means of fixing items, or listing multiple items that would be troublesome in an Auction, but the Auction would bring major convenience for a lot of other items across nations and different areas. When other cities are introduced, and other areas expand, there will be a need to be able to purchase items in those areas and if there is no auction... Then I don't see it feasable to 'warp' to a cities market wards from such a distance. Seems silly.

Let the devs focus on something that needs fixing rather than waste time on an AH.

To the people who think market wards prevent price fixing: you're wrong. Anything steel on wutai is far more expensive than any other server.

To the people who think the market wards prevent price gouging: you're wrong. Every day I have to drop my prices to be competetive.

To the people who think the market wards add immersion as well as make the game more interesting and unique: you're right, but it's at the cost of efficiency and consistent crashes in ul'dah wards.

Once PS3 launches, and we start paying for a subscription, how many retainers do you think the average person will have, I know I would want at least four, 20 items isn't enough to sell at once, 40 slots should cover the mess that is NQ,+1,+2,+3. There's no way in hell Ul'dah will go more than 12 hours without crashing.

I for one vote for AH, I'll take convenience over immersion any day. It wouldn't be that huge of a sacrifice anyway, and tbh I wouldn't miss the retainers Adolf and Hitler at all.