Because SE hasn't advertised the game since, well, ever. They had that Japan-only live action trailer and Yoshida's 2.0 announcement media tour but to bring in players advertising needs to be persistent.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArnoMorley
I know all about Rifts patches and I've never even bothered with even the free trial of the game. How do I know about it? Rift has a persistent marketing campaign for each and every content patch.
Even Blizzard still advertises the crap out of WoW. My Grandmother knew what WoW was and she didn't even know how to turn on a computer.
SE isn't advertising 1.x and rightfully so, it's just a pacifier for dedicated fans. That's why Yoshida went on a media tour to talk about 2.0, and why the E3 trailer will be 2.0 only. 1.x is dead to the general gaming community.
Most gamers don't know about any of the changes to 1.x because they aren't wishfully checking Lodestone in hopes of the patch that will bring them into the game. They've moved on and will stay away until SE puts it infront of their faces and shows them why they should spend their precious free time playing XIV instead of WoW/Rift/SW:TOR/Aoin/Tera/GW2/Blade & Soul/DC Universe/Dust 514 so on and so forth.
Not to mention a lot has changed since 2002. MMOs aren't the only way to play with friends anymore.
They're not "future proofing" it because in about nine months it's all getting deleted.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArnoMorley
We have a few months to gather Darklight gear, then a few months to farm Garuda weapons(1.22), then a few months to witness the Seventh Umbral Era events (1.23) that will change the face of Eorzea. Then it's 2.0 time.
1.x is only to keep us busy till 2.0. They said even the primal battles will be different in 2.0.
They won't advertise this game much till 2.0 when they fix the bad UI and the interface lag and the struggling engine and crippled servers.
You put your full creativeness into a project by being a professional and doing your job. I have no dobt Tanaka's original vision could have been an awesome game. And he did have the rug pulled out from under him. But that said, 2002 gameplay won't sell a game today. XIV needed to be something fresh and still does.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArnoMorley
Problems letting go of XI? Japanese too.
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03-24-2012, 01:55 AMSephrick
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03-24-2012, 02:17 AMRydinTo be fair... SE doesn't really advertise anything in NA....Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephrick
I saw the Leona Lewis "My hands" commercial a few times for XIII and thats its... I've never seen SE on TV other than that -
03-24-2012, 02:18 AMVaerQuote:
Originally Posted by Xoo
R.I.P FFXI 3/22/10 -
03-24-2012, 02:24 AMArnoMorley
The idea that 2002 gameplay won't sell is dumb. Like I said with dragon quest, it was the same as it's predecessors and set records. Shooter games are the same they were 10 years ago and they're the most popular games right now. GTA IV was the same basic game as it's predecessors but not even as good as them but it still sold a ridiculous amount. That pac man remake sold big. Mario kart was one of the top selling wii games.
You could go on forever, the idea that old games won't sell is stupid.
Deleting content from the old team I can see. But they're making their own "new" content outdated.
If you think advertising will make WoW's western audience play an anime game you're mistaken. One thing people don't seem to realize is it was socially acceptable to play WoW for a long time, I don't think advertising can make people accept this game. I wish people weren't so narrow minded but they are. -
03-24-2012, 02:34 AMRydinIts true... redoing the same gameplay mechanics works for many MANY games...Quote:
Originally Posted by ArnoMorley
but SE has always tried to make each Final Fantasy title different... and have pretty much always been met with success.
So since changing mechanics has worked... and not changing mechanics has also worked in the past, I don't really see a reason to debate it... they are 2 methods that have both seen success and failures
So saying this game failed because it was different is untrue...
But saying this game has to be completely and absolutely contrary to FFXI to be successful is just as false
At some point... both sides are going to need to come together
And let's be real... it has NEVER been socially acceptable to play WoW -
03-24-2012, 02:47 AMPeptaru
People who thought WoW was cool are the people who thought Facebook was cool.... Yep, my grandma is on facebook, and on wow too..... I'm happy that so many people can enjoy it, but i never have and never would call either one cool. That said, i do think WoW is more socially acceptable than any other, just because anyone (from infant to elderly) could play and master it. Blahblahblah Casual vs. Hardcore which, no matter what anyone says, i will always view as only a TIME DEBATE. Casual doesn't have to mean simplify crap to infantile levels, it could just mean don't make it take 5 hours when it could take 1 or 2 and be done by all your players who face time restraints (casual players) as well as the players like me who can dump 5-8 hours a day into the game (hardcore players).
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03-24-2012, 02:52 AMSephrickI'm pretty sure Modern Warfare 3 and Battlefield 3 are nothing like Doom. Yeah, they're all shooters and at their core are about using a gun from a first person perspective to kill things.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArnoMorley
And yeah, if an HD remake of Doom was released it might sell like hot cakes. But a modern warfare skin on Doom gameplay would flop hard.
Even GTA IV was a vastly different game compared to GTA III. Hell, the first two GTA games were a top-down perspective. But what you're saying is they should never have changed that because there may have been fans who were passionate about that style of gameplay.
GTA IV was also the debut of multiplayer, something that was a pipe dream for players of the series till then.
And as for the Dragon Quest example, it would seem SE is taking a lesson from that series' success while approaching XIV.
From the Dragon Quest series wiki:
What a shocking concept of how to make a game successful. Make it friendly to casual gamers.Quote:
According to Satoru Iwata, president of Nintendo, Dragon Quest's widespread appeal is that it is "made so that anyone can play it...and anyone can enjoy it depending on their different levels and interests." According to him, Dragon Quest is designed for anyone to pick up without needing to read the manual in order to understand it. Ryutaro Ichimura, producer at Square Enix, who has played the game since he was a child, says the Dragon Quest storylines allow players to experience a moving sense of achievement where they take the role of a hero saving the world.[106] Horii believes the ability to appeal to larger audiences of casual gamers, while not alienating the more hardcore gamers, is due to being able to lower the initial hurdle without making it too easy. Iwata and Ichimura believe it is because the games are created in a way that allows both groups to pursue their own goals; casual gamers can enjoy the storyline and battles, but for those who want more there is still content for them to pursue.[103]
Hopefully the rest of the gaming industry doesn't stumble in this little nugget of top secret wisdom.
Because its only going to be in the game till 2.0. 1.x content is just SE giving us a means to get some items that players in 2.0 won't be able to get. That's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArnoMorley
Not advertising your game gets you no players. Especially when it's a game that is two years old and had a disgraceful launch.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArnoMorley
If 2.0 is done correctly, it will be what makes people accept the game. But if there isn't a major marketing push shoving 2.0 in people's faces, then the designing of it will have been for naught. -
03-24-2012, 03:01 AMRydin
On the Japanese side... all 2.0 needs to succeed is a great Famitsu score....
And I think we all know thats in the bag (wink*wink)
A famitsu score of 36 or higher (out of 40) will mean close to 1 mill Japanese purchases...
Now how many of those will sub after the first month... Not even Yoshi knows that -
03-24-2012, 03:01 AMKeith_Dragoon
I would have been completely happy with a XI-2(same or new world, different era/story) but now that XIV is taking a life of its own I would rather just some good stuff from XI be brought over like conquest of zones, garrison, ballista, Nyzul/Salvage/Dyna/Limbus something thats entertaining to do.
I Do miss the feeling I got playing XI and I still play it cause its still there but I want that same feeling from XIV one day. -
03-24-2012, 03:10 AMRydinThats something we can all agree on...Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_Dragoon
take this with a grain of salt because I didn't play FFXI... but from what I've seen, the best thing XI did was make it so all the content wasn't the same....
It was so diverse... NM, BCNM, HNM, ZNM, Dynamis, Sea, Sky, Nyzul, Salvage... So not just a lot (More NMs than any one person could sit down and name) but it was well rounded
Tons of long term stuff to do but also some right now content.....
Its all a big misunderstanding though.... I think many people that want some FFXI features would want something like Dynamis (Just an example) in this game... It obviously wouldn't be called dynamis... and wouldn't be exactly the same... but something heavily inspired by it.... or Nyzul... or BCNMs...
As someone who just wants this game to be great... Id love that.. and I can admit that even if I didn't play XI -
03-24-2012, 03:15 AMWirritosama
I'm not sure why but I LOVED doing dynamis even if I wast entitled to gear for that run. Sky on the other hand felt like a chore/job to me, I HAD to do it and farm for the LS and I would try and come up with any possible excuse not to go. At one point I would let my gf play my character during Amy farming days. Yes we had a sky schedule, just thinking about that again makes me want to vomit like the exorcist.
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03-24-2012, 04:11 AMVaerDynamis was nice because once you got in (making sure the zone wasn't taken pre-change was kind of annoying, especially if your linkshell had scheduling conflicts with other shells or a ninja comes and snakes the zone while everyone is waiting) it was pretty much just killing stuff with other people. Usually 18-36+ people. Well, until the loot drama happened. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Quote:
Originally Posted by Wirritosama
Sky on the other hand, took too long to get anything done. Most of the NMs were timed pops. You would need to farm to get triggers and the like, and you would have competition for the same NMs. -
03-24-2012, 04:26 AMThePatriarchI would pay alot of money to see this happenQuote:
Originally Posted by Morticous
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03-24-2012, 04:32 AMNevrath
If i wanted FF11 id play that. But i have more fun playing FF14 and would rather not have it become a FF11-2.
I like the changes done so far and the direction in which FF14 is heading.
I was a bard, unlike many Bards i wasnt the "Uh i have 10 lv 75 and nothing better to do imma lv Bard"-type Bard, it was my first Job i loved it, i didnt wanted to pull anything else up to 75. Jet to be able to join up CoP and all the other capped missions i had to since i was unable to join as Bard.
Trying to get into almost any pre 75 content with only haveing Bard at hand was horrible. I try to forget how many hours i spended in caves beating crabs for skill ups to be atleast able to farm lowbie mobs solo.
I still loved Bard but eventually i gave up at some point and started Blue Mage.
FF11 is a completely diffrent game and i rather have it stay that way. Like i said, if you want FF11 go play that. To have amazing graphics is heavily overarated anyways.
Gameplay mechanics >>> graphics. Also FF11 doenst look bad its just old. You can still see that the graphics where done with alot of love for details. :P
I find it hard to believe that one would stop playing FF11 cos of the graphics when all other mechanics are oh so perfect. Or maybe thats me getting old... ;D -
03-24-2012, 04:43 AMWirritosama
Looking at the PDF files for 2.0 again today closely I can say its going to be an amazing feeling again. Mailboxes cross server party new zones etc etc. if you haven't taken a look in a long while check them out again.
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03-24-2012, 05:36 AMJakeRoonBut it is a false memory you see,Quote:
Originally Posted by Rydin
All of that content WAS all the same. The core game mechanic involved in every one of them was WAITING, and unbelieveable GRIND paired with Ridiculous randomness.
It was a gimick time sink way of extending game life that only a few die hard fans fell for.
What ppl actually miss if the "feeling", that sense of wonder and fondness, that nostalgia.
I take a fair bet that many of those who are still in love with ffxi to some extent (myself included) were MUCH younger, with far less time constraints when it was "popular" . It was the first really accessible western mmo due to it's platform release.
Most I believe are still attached to it on that basis. Like remembering your first date, or first kiss, or those types of sentiments.
If you have the ability to strip that sentiment away, take away all the good times you had bantering with your friends etc, and just look at the game mechanic, etc etc. What you get isa very beautiful world with a busted game mechanic. Right from the getgo....
All it took to be "good" at FFXI was immense amounts of time. Time sink is not a challenge.
Personally I can feel nostalgia about many mmos, as I've played dozens, and made friends and memories in many of them.
But at the end of the day....the game has to perform.
I love the classic cars, but at the end of the day, no matter how you fix em up....they just are not gonna ever run as good, or reliably, or efficiently, or have the features that a brand new Audi has.....
Some still prefer to drive the classics though. Most, however; see that the benefits far outweigh the nostalgia. -
03-24-2012, 05:40 AMPeptaru
There were a ton of people who played FFXI for more hours a day than i did that were absoultely awful at it, so ya.... either you're remembering things a little wrong yourself or you just didn't pay attention. The other side is that I knew/know people who'd only play 5-10 hours a week and were gods at their jobs. To say it all boiled down to time spent might be true for things like "I have a 100 craft!" but aside from that I don't view your standpoint as at all valid, Jake.
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03-24-2012, 06:02 AMLevianWhat's the eloquent way to word my response to this...ah yes, I've got it! Here goes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevrath
I would if they hadn't gutted the living sh#t out of it with Abyssea. Much as I hated WoTG and everything that came with it, it was still FFXI. IMO FFXI no longer exist, and I don't even know what to call the mutilated body snatcher residing in it's skin. -
03-24-2012, 06:08 AMArnoMorleyKind of a shallow statement. First I'd like to point out that if you don't feel the attachment to it how would possibly know why others are attached to it? Secondly I believe it has little to do with nostalgia and more to do with psychology.Quote:
Originally Posted by JakeRoon
XI fans liked that it was punishing (and it was a challenge). It was the punishment that gave us all a rush. It's like how the exp loss made us fear dying, the fear of dying made a battle where you almost died more exciting. Getting out claimed for nms sucked, but when seeing something pop knowing you could lose claim made that moment intense. Then of course there was the praying that you'd get the drop.
XIV so far has very little excitement, instanced content that you spam over and over is not very exciting. You call XI one big grind, what do you think XIV is right now? Is killing Ifrit 100x for the weapon you wanted not a time sink? I prefer the XI method.
Who has the right to set the tone of somebody else's person preferences? Not to say nostalgia doesn't play a role with people but who are you to say that's all it is? XI was a better game. You may think the mechanics are broken but that's not how others feel. Having a newer idea doesn't make it a better one.
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03-24-2012, 06:53 AMNevrath
@Levian
I dont know what came in FF11 after WotG. That was the last add on i played.
I played untill little while after LevelSync came which ended in me haveing nightmares about all the skill ups i will have to do after dinging 50 in a lv40 synced party, even worse on PLD who needs blocking and parrying. Also that all after i was just to "test pld" cos odly my bard didnt find a group. I guess cos so many lv75 bards where just getting their merrits in dooms partys...
Then i passed a dude in doomes who hit his first lv75 Job in there... then i kinda quitted. XD
The old FF11 was nice but unfortunately a GIANT time sink. Took over 1h if you traveled ur first time from the starter city windy to the lv10-19 leveling area...try pulling that up in a modern mmo. Or.. "well you missed ur airship by 0.001 sec cos ur too slow now.. stand there and wait 15min and look at the sky!" OMG imagine FF14 Airship would need that long and there wasnt ANY anima to get to nother city....
The ferrys .. they werent bad you could fish there and there were random pirate attacks that was fun. :) -
03-24-2012, 07:10 AMSephrick
To many, there is no thrill in not getting a claim on an NM. It feels like three wasted hours during which we could have done something more productive. That's one of the reason people are personally adverse to HNMs making a return to XIV.
Hence the staggering response to the instance question in the Player's Poll last year that players would rather their content instanced.
There is plenty I would like to see come over though. Like Dynamis (fully instanced, not just a separate zone that one group makes exclusive to themselves for three hours), ZNMs, Salvage, Nyzule Isle, Einherjar, Assaults, Campaign, BC/IS/E/NMs.
I think what people are most worried about in the "like XI" discussion is the major drawbacks. The fruitless hours. Camping, traveling, farming. It all wouldn't have been so bad had there been some form of persistent personal progress.
I'm not saying there had to be a reward at the end of every event, but if XIV gets something like Dynamis, it'd be nice if each run gave a set amount of something like Company Seals that could go toward eventually paying for high-priced items.
In XI, a large group of people put in a lot of hours to get one person a reward. The understanding being that everyone would stick around till everyone got what they were after. But that wasn't always the case.
An example being the fact that I never got an Optical Hat. I put in the effort to get my own Eye Cluster. I organized and participated in many runs. However I always believed in doing things fair and would always /random for pop order. I alwaus drew the short straw. By the time my turn would come up, There'd be too few people remaining to win because people would get their drop then suddenly have plans. Plenty of groups tried anyway. But like many things in XI winning was a matter of having enough bodies.
No one wants things just handed to them for showing up (well, not everyone. There are those out there who look up cheat codes before they load up a game). People just want things to be sensible. -
03-24-2012, 07:23 AMArnoMorleyBtw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYXjdHrdxDg so looks like you could be getting it :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Sephrick
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03-24-2012, 07:38 AMLevian
Nevrath- I didn't play after WotG either, but I kept tabs on XI, just as I keep tabs on FFXIV. After they raised the level cap, somehow it became possible to level from 1 to 99 in some odd 4 days, at least i think that's what was posted. I don't know the particulars, but apparently the abbyssea level grind rewards 300k/hr and there's some method of using said content to PL a low level toon.
And of course now that level 99 is a thing, I've got my doubts about people wasting time on sky, sea, and all that other junk since abyssea gear (naturally) outclasses the old stuff. Hell they even gimped some of the relics, even though they swore they wouldn't let all the hard effort behind getting them go to waste.
That being said, if I could find 5 more loose nuts like me I'd be willing to dust off my old toon, gear up my level 10 pally and static through the RoZ/CoP zones one last time for old time's sake. -
03-24-2012, 07:39 AMNevrath
Ah grand company dynamis version where we fight the garleans. :3
Now spice it up a little by adding more "battle objectives". :O
And ye.. optical hat.. y.y
I remember NM camping....the challenge was to not blink in the wrong moment after starring at ur monitor for 3 hours. (7h spawn windows ftw... -.-)
BCNM was fun if you were lucky to have the right job and the friends with the right jobs.
Im all for BCNM alikes in ff14. Still very challengng thats fine but less costly in the entrance fee (instead maybe you can get 1 "entrance key" all lets say 3 days and atleast one in the group must have one to open.)
That way it gets encouraged to try the fight with diffrent group setups since loosing wont result in the loss of so many beastmen seals...
Also.. not hiding the entrance at the most far away corner in some far away area so getting there alone takes 30min while the fight is just 10 min...
Again, GIANT timesink. -
03-24-2012, 07:48 AMNevrath
Hmmm... full RDM Relic farmed in over 1 year hard work (too many rdms wanting it) and then boom, theres better easyer to get gear why did you waste ur time in dynamis every week for hours again? Omg i would quit...
Yeah even before Abyssea there was some Astral Flow party thing which got some people up to 70+ from ~lv20 in 1-2 days.
PLing in that way should not be possible. It kind of kills something of the game. -
03-24-2012, 07:53 AMLevian
Yeah, but the astral flow thing was somewhat limited in scope. I think I may have seen it happening like 3x in the 4-6 months I played during WotG. I can't even rightly call the Abyssea stuff PLing, because at this point the old style of grinding doesn't exist. They've effectively replaced the whole leveling system with something else.
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03-24-2012, 07:59 AMJinkoYup hes right you don't get it back, FF11 was my first mmo and probably my most memorable, that's not to say its my favourite though, it was far too convoluted and time sinky for my liking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exn
Saying that I have places and times whilst playing WoW that I remember with similar nostalgia, they still don't' compare to the fresh new world that 11 offered. -
03-24-2012, 08:05 AMPeptaru
All these things people are pointing out as detriments of XI are systems which in themselves served their purpose. Players ruin games, but everyone wants to pin all the fault for everything on SE. "If SE didn't add this system or that system then we wouldn't be able to misuse it (even though we the players are the ones who begged for the system in the first place)! It is SE's fault!" no.... just no. That's on the players. Hold your fellow players to higher standards and watch your experience improve.
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03-24-2012, 08:07 AMJakeRoonI clearly state in my post that I love the game like my first kiss.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArnoMorley
I guess neither of us has the right, but we are both trying to ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ArnoMorley
The other flaw in your logic:
You are comparing a beta to a finished game that was dealt a death blow when WoW went mainstream and just refuses to bleed out.
Let her die gracefully with respect and understanding of what she was. She was a Beautiful and unforgiving, flawed but exciting, slow but sweet. But most of all....she is now outdated and not what the mmo players of today want.
You can argue that till you are blue in the face but numbers do not lie. PPL want to play WOW, which is almost as old, but they are STILL playing it....and gaining new subscriptions still.
I think what "gets my goat" the most is the players who keep talking to me as if I don't know whats up with FFXI. I dedicated HUGE amounts of my free time to that game, and loved it WHILE I was doing it. But as newer better games came out; I was able to see that not blinded by some odd sense of loyalty. -
03-24-2012, 08:15 AMFiosha_Maureiba
*SPOILER ALERT*
*Tanaka descends from nowhere with the Masamune, impaling Final Fantasy XI through the back*
*he flees, a giant blob creature with different mechanics and systems shows up*
*after an epic fight with giant blob...*
*takes FFXI, places gently in the water*
*let's FFXI sink to the bottom of water, while managing to stay afloat without swimming*
*could have used a Phoenix Down, but decided not to*
*goes on to Disc 2*
*RIP in Aeris...errr FFXI*
FFXI "But I'm still alive!"
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03-24-2012, 08:40 AMWirritosama
Everyone knows Tanaka's feet leaving 5 inches off the ground is impossible unless he's descending from an ANA flight.
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03-24-2012, 09:41 AMNevrath
Whatever SE decides to do and how that works out for the success of the game is not their fault, but their responsibility. ;D
Besides the major flaws in gameplay that FF11 had/has/whatever, the story and varity in content was definetly richer then in all the other mmos i ever played. The story (if you where able to get into the story content quests) was amzing and epic.
So of corse it lets us get nostalgic so much because even if we remember the broken things they cant push away the memorys of all the good things FF11 had/has.
Even "worse" if i think of the crappy, horrible pain it was to skill up my bard it still makes me remember how i felt when i first fought that lv25 capped dread dragon bcnm and was all like "omg omg im alive omg omg!".
The cut scenes like the one after you faced the shadowlord and learn his story just burns itself into the memory of the player. Unlike WoW where its like "oh its arthas...AGAIN!"
For sure my most intense mmo memorys come from FF11, i still would never go back, i rather just hold it in good memory.
It would be great tho if FF14 storyline will be equally amazing, just plz no copycat. Im only at lv 26 so i dont know jet. :D -
03-24-2012, 10:35 AMDokuton-Razortaru
I don't really care. I like the direction FFXIV is heading. I also like a lot about FFXI. I'll leave it up to the community and developers to mix in their new stuff/ some thing from ffxi. Games looking good.
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03-24-2012, 10:36 AMSlyvannas
next gen final fantasy 11, dropping my 14 account to go back to it till 14 is more like it anyways :p i see ALOT of returning players on 11 that quit 14 cuz of the new system
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03-24-2012, 01:21 PMLux_Rayna
FFXI is so old...idk why ppl are still attached to it. It goes to show when you dedicate 90% of your life/paycheck to something, its really hard to let go of it. Lets not kid ourselves though, FFXI was amazing because it was different, and because it was the first final fantasy mmo. In no way did it get national/international success, it was more a niche game than anything else. I fail to see how FFXI should be the model for anything. Game crumbled like a dried up cake the moment WoW came out, and managed to maintain a measly amount of Final Fantasy loyalists. No thanks, i'd rather FFXIV take a route that allows it to sustain itself. FFXI was just terrible mechanically...the only thing that made it good was the world and the story. The whole mini-boss combat was actually really good too, but it was terribly slow-paced.
As I always say, ppl that like XI should play XI. XI had good things that should definitely be carried over, but other than that XI needs to just die or keep hanging on by its thread of die-hards. FFXIV is moving in the right direction; it doesn't need to be like XI, it needs to be a complete and finished MMO. If anything, FFXIV should draw on all of the past final fantasy titles to complete their world and storyline. The fatal flaw of XI, imo, was that it was barely "Final Fantasy" at all. FFXIV has a real shot at making a true final fantasy mmorpg that really represents the franchise. Moogles and primals are a great start, but mini-games (triple triad anyone), missions (ff 7/8/x-2), bosses (ultima/omega weapon), cameos (cid was a good start), etc., all have a great place in an mmorpg. FFXIV should appeal to final fantasy fans AND the general audience. This goal has nothing to do with XI, but could use some ideas from XI that ppl liked (AH, AF armor, Jobs, etc).
Imo FFXI failed as a final fantasy game...was a fun mmo though..minus most of the not-so-fun stuff in it. -
03-24-2012, 02:40 PMDreamerWhile I agree with the general sentiment here, there's a massive flaw as well: MMORPGs have since their inception been top heavy to the point that one of the primary goals has been to level up as quickly as possible so that you can get to the meat of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArnoMorley
If there was a greater focus on the journey rather than the destination, I think the longer leveling times would be more palatable to your average player. Things like end game content that piggybacks off of earlier content, automatic level syncing, synthesis recipes that scale to the current player level, etc. With the current MMORPG schematics, you're really just killing time to get the heart of the game, which is one of the most profitable poor game designs I've ever seen.. -
03-24-2012, 02:50 PMAlerithI agree with most of what you posted except this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna
You don't have to dedicate 90% of your life and paycheck to get attached to a game, especially not FFXI. In any game where you have a personalized Avatar, if you play over a sufficient period of time, you will slowly build a connection either with your character, other players, the game world or all of the above.
You don't have to sit and play 8 hours a day, 7 days a week for 10 years to grow attached. -
03-24-2012, 04:55 PMRedAffinity
I think a lot of us (XI) players expected an evolution of XI.
The universe, races, and art direction is nearly identical to XI, so subconsciously we see both of them closely related.
Lastly, XIV has been a complete empty shell. Considering the large XI userbase, I think most of us pull references from what we believed worked. Although XI's dated, it's a pretty fantastic MMO and I see nothing wrong with wanting a lot of what that game offered, considering everything I've mentioned above. -
03-24-2012, 08:39 PMWirritosamaI'm pretty much on the same boat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dokuton-Razortaru
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03-24-2012, 09:51 PMJinko
I agree with the people that say XIV needs to be its own game, I think Yoshida is doing a great job I would rather see him take from other Final Fantasy games 1-10 than strictly just from XI.
FFXIV already has a lot of the things that made XI a success, such as story writing and cinematic cutscenes, the game feels very similar to me in a lot of ways, without the arduous time sinks and kicks to the face that FFXI was so keen to enforce upon its players.
As others say if you miss FFXI that much maybe you should go back and play that instead.