Can we please ban advertisements for selling clears from PF?

Yep even more if it screams "im RMT but psssssst!"

Its just annoying, everytime i look at PF there are some >_>

Just get gm's to join the discords pretend to be players.Then if they find out said persons are selling clears for paypal ban the accounts.Once they did that once or twice you'd see a lot less of it in chat.
Doing it this way nobody would have a comeback about it.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

You also forgot the fact that there are many people in a discord group that would likely be offline on XIV.

If I leave a legit sell party in PF and AFK. So long as they follow the link and post in the discord, anyone who is part of the sale group can take that persons request without needing to be ingame. Convenience is as much a factor in leaving an immediate discord link and is just as likely a scenario as RMT (if not more likely so long as you aren't a cynic).

You see this kind of behavior everywhere, from FC invites to static invites to selling crafted items. Discord is straight up more convenient for the party organizer, regardless of intent.

Basically, what I'm trying to get across in all my posts in this thread: SE changing anything in the ToS or doing anything to ban PF sellers that look legit will simply harm those who are innocent and not the RMT sellers.



This is the best idea I have seen in this thread. It won't get innocent people banned, and fixes the supposed inconvenience that these parties cause people.

Edit: I just tested this, the first one is possible if you send a random tell to the person (or join the persons party if they havent set the ilvl to 999) and blacklist them that way, what happens is the party becomes greyed out (shown in the below screenshot). The simple QoL change of making it so BL people appear on the bottom would be great.

https://i.imgur.com/0phcwd9.jpg

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Lambdafish, I could kiss you right now because someone finally understands me. *wink

On another note, if I am not mistaken one of those selling discord links from the Primal datacenter PF also show up on the Aether datecenter PF as well.

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You actually got a laugh out of me. Nobody would complain? Sure, ok https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...m_source=share

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No one would complain about a change to rules about advertising content sales in PF given how few do legit sales (no money, no account piloting, no gil from shady sources). The few who are legit couldn't complain because any discussions taking place outside of the game can't be proven to be within the ToS or not.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

I actually don't know what you want put in the ToS come to think of it.?

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Prohibition on content sales in PF. Not even the average FFXIV player would be confused as to what would be allowed.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

This was for minor ToS changes (that muddied the waters and confused players as to what is right and wrong)

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Those complaints were about potentially receiving punishment for violating rules that weren't clear with common actions (telling healers to dps, DPS to use AoE, etc.). In the end it was just hysteria because there hasn't been a single case of someone being banned for something they wouldn't have been under the previous ToS.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

that burden of proof is on you

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No, when you make claims that Ultimates can be cleared with 7 people or that BA or Eureka weapons can be sold without account piloting, or that there isn't any account piloting when the ads specify console or PC, the burden of proof is on you.

It's already been shown that SE doesn't need any proof and can issue account action based on assumptions.

I'm for RMT by the way and I think SE should officially legalize it (already was clear that they allow it if you keep particulars out of the game) given it's current state so as to have a fair market, but I don't need to hide behind some imaginary group of players to say that.

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I realise that I seem to have a higher ratio of likes than people refuting and countering me. How does that factor into your idea that likes on this forum matter in the slightest?

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Majority only read the first few posts in a topic.

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Originally Posted by Lunavi

Are you new around here? People complain a lot about that SEs rules are too strict.

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Many people use profanity and it can be done without thinking if emotions are high. How many players advertise in the PF, don't accept real money, don't accept gil from shady sources and don't pilot accounts? You're also forgetting that unlike profanity, there have been numerous topics made by players asking SE to implement a prohibition on ads in the PF.

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Originally Posted by Lunavi

I can only Imagine How they would react to not being allowed to link their FC discords so they effectively would be infunctional.

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"Static looking for..." and "Looking for static for..." - allowed
"Selling...", "Buying...", "Interested in clearing...?" or anything of the sort - not allowed

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Then ask for this change rather than advocating a harmful change in ToS.

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Prohibit the advertising of content sales via the cross-server PF

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The ideal solution would be to add a way to filter out such advertisements in the cross-server PF, but that won't happen anytime soon.

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Nov 30, 2017

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RMT always finds a way

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The topic is about the spam in PF.

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we cannot create a system of total censorship

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Not being able to advertise in the PF for activity breaking the ToS is total censorship?

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having the kind of attitude that wants everyone you don't like to be banned is actually far more harmful than the RMT itself.

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I'm not making excuses for RMT

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Sure

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Originally Posted by Metalwrath

Just get gm's to join the discords pretend to be players.

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Requires more effort and isn't foolproof.

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Originally Posted by RokkuEkkusu

On another note, if I am not mistaken one of those selling discord links from the Primal datacenter PF also show up on the Aether datecenter PF as well.

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Yes, several groups advertise on multiple data centers using identical ads and nearly identical dummy accounts. Why would they turn down a data center's worth of customers and money?

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That and the ability to blacklist them without having to physically travel to their server and player search them first would be nice. Though it wouldn't surprise me at all if it ended up being impossible due to the game's archaic coding.

I'm just getting really sick of seeing the same guy posting his content-selling ads in PF since early Stormblood.

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Yes, I 100% support this. I don't know why this isn't already a thing, unless it is for technical and/or security issues.

This won't be supported by enough vocal players since some of them profit from this even if they don't admit it. Just like the botting subject in other parts of XIV's community like the subreddit.

Who called the necromancer? Look at the date three posts before this one...