Gender/Racial Locking in 2019

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

I didn't say it was.

And I mean, unless you're older than 31, which I'm somehow doubting...

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Since I am older than 31, by a few years, and ff7 was my first introduction to the ff franchise, and a game I've played through probably at least a dozen times.. Yes, I'm definitely going to call bull on trying to use that as an analogy.

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Originally Posted by Sanctify

Then why try to use that scene crutch your stance on this genderlock crap?

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Because they have no substantive argument. Only feelings and emotion, which by their very nature are usually illogical.

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Originally Posted by Sanctify

Then why try to use that scene crutch your stance on this genderlock crap?

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To prove that it's nothing new to the series.

If you want a serious example, there's one from this game: the man in Kugane that falls in love with a yaro-kabuki performer. It's one of the more involved and heart-warming Stormblood sidequests.

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Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget

At least OP and his little trusty sidekick are amusing. Can't wait for the expansion so these bored people can go play the game.

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I don't even know JunkhogMakison (they're not even on my data center, lol), and I'm queued for Frontline right at this very moment, but okay.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Since I am older than 31, by a few years, and ff7 was my first introduction to the ff franchise, and a game I've played through probably at least a dozen times.. Yes, I'm definitely going to call bull on trying to use that as an analogy.

Because they have no substantive argument. Only feelings and emotion, which by their very nature are usually illogical.

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For someone concerned with logic, you sure do have a bad idea of what an analogy is.

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

I don't even know JunkhogMakison (they're not even on my data center, lol), and I'm queued for Frontline right at this very moment, but okay.

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Hey same here lol you know what's funny, they say were bored for being on the forums and yet...here they are still talking to us.

Also if your my sidekick you get free cookies and a bear hug. ☆

There's still a crisp 20 on the table if they ever wanna let my alt wear the maid outfit.

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

For someone concerned with logic, you sure do have a bad idea of what an analogy is.

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A bad idea is better than no idea. Implying that because SE had a character which crossdressed in a game 22 years ago they've somehow regressed on social issues is indeed a bad analogy. I mean, let's not forget the antagonists were ready to "knock the crap" out of Cloud for his transgenderism. It's not like they said "Oh he's so cute, almost had us fooled"

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

What you're asking for here is infinitely less reasonable when it comes to workload, nor does it offer further uniqueness when it limits options so severely (see: Black Desert's per-class outfits). There is no way SQX can consistently make unique gear for every race and gender in a game this huge. It's just not possible in a game of this magnitude.

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I don't think this request has anything to do workloads. I'm fully aware that designing 8 pieces of gear is about 8x the work than one piece of gear.
But if you miss the idea of uniqueness, I can't see how you don't see it, to be frank. There'd be 14 unique outfits floating around the world instead of one. Hell, even compared to 14 all-wearable outfits (which negates your workload complaint) you'd still be seeing something more unique as limitations drive creativity. Putting together something unique to you allows you to be you, and not the other 13 racialgenders out there. Right now you and I can equip the Miqo'te Loincloth and have a mini skirt on any other outfit we desire. That's unique to us. If everyone had access to it, then it loses it's value as something unique. It's just another drop in the ocean of gear rather than the big catch of the day.

You then go on to say say that it's impossible for them to create it, but it's not impossible. I don't know if you thought I meant EVERY piece of gear, that's certainly unreasonable. But to add another RSE set or two would be lovely and far within means of reasonable requests.

I actually like gender-locked stuffed because I prefer very feminine-outfits and most of the time that devs decide to make something "genderless" it's mostly tomboyish and not really my cup of tea.

Ideally we could have a lot of different designs leaning towards different tastes so since this is not the case... I would rather keep the genderlock-mindset while designing something than getting pants to wear on my AF sets.

However, for special cases such as NPC/special characters gears then yeah, I guess that having those things gender-locked is a bit eh.

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Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget

At least OP and his little trusty sidekick are amusing. Can't wait for the expansion so these bored people can go play the game.

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Just because someone agrees with the OP they're their sidekicks and both of them are bored? Wow. Stop being so rude, that's ugly.

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Originally Posted by Melorie

I actually like gender-locked stuffed because I prefer very feminine-outfits and most of the time that devs decide to make something "genderless" it's mostly tomboyish and not really my cup of tea.

Ideally we could have a lot of different designs leaning towards different tastes so since this is not the case... I would rather keep the genderlock-mindset while designing something than getting pants to wear on my AF sets.

However, for special cases such as NPC/special characters gears then yeah, I guess that having those things gender-locked is a bit eh.

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I definitely don't want to take away the pretty dresses or other femme attire; we don't have enough of the former, honestly. It's more that the balance has kind of ended up skewed over time, and I do miss SQX's attempt at maintaining an outfit's look across the spectrum like they used to. See: older tank AFs (masculine) vs. older BRD AFs (feminine); each one remains the same regardless of your character's gender.

There is always value in more options that don't hurt anyone. Unfortunately the perpetual echo chamber seems to be too hung up on sociopolitical insecurities to consider that when the precedent has been set for a very long time now. Unfortunately that's this forum with anything that slightly colors outside of the perceived lines.

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Originally Posted by Melorie

Just because someone agrees with the OP they're their sidekicks and both of them are bored? Wow. Stop being so rude, that's ugly.

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I guess I'd rather be rude than fake.

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Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget

I guess I'd rather be rude than fake.

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And bored don't forget bored cause your still here. ^_^ ♡

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Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget

I guess I'd rather be rude than fake.

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are you implying youre a genuine chicken nugget

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Originally Posted by JunkhogMakison

Title says it all really.

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I really cant wait until thursday when people will be making posts about the upcoming battle changes in 5.0 that will eclipse these gender threads. At the end of the day, the devs have their priorities in what they want to implement that are not 100% transparent to players and will ultimately never align with players expectations 100%. It's simply not realistic to make games that way.

to try and be comprising to this ordeal: I would be equally up in arms as all these "gender threads" if they make changes to the battle system that I whole-heartedly disagree with. I will gladly eat my words if they do so, while probably crying.

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Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

I really cant wait until thursday when people will be making posts about the upcoming battle changes in 5.0 that will eclipse these gender threads. At the end of the day, the devs have their priorities in what they want to implement that are not 100% transparent to players and will ultimately never align with players expectations 100%. It's simply not realistic to make games that way.

to try and be comprising to this ordeal: I would be equally up in arms as all these "gender threads" if they make changes to the battle system that I whole-heartedly disagree with. I will gladly eat my words if they do so, while probably crying.

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Trust me when I tell you that until there is male viera and female hrotgar or the game gets shut down the genderlock removal threads won't die

Or the rest of the community will overall ignore and stop replying to the useless generated threads about it instead of sticking to one organized one, like me and the rest have said and are tired to repeat it.
Other than that, it's just another day on the official forum where some people just don't read the atmosphere or read the memo that there are far much important things for the upcoming expansion to fix or address ( looking at the fetch quests generated by the previous expansions and the balancing issues ).

You know, for people that keep complaining about x or y thread being useless, y'all sure do repeatedly post in them a lot. :confused:

The problem I have with these threads is that it has just sucked dry the substance out of the topic.
A lot of people have plainly explained their thoughts about genderlock, and it's alright, in both sides there are strong arguments. Then the support threads are there to show some players are willing to have their voices heard and I get that.

But the constant fighting around those topics have unnecesseraly lingered and made the whole point so empty. People have secured their positions and simply won't change their minds because of that fuss, and quite frankly I understand them.

I too believe that any new hussle around jobs or the expansions itself will give a bit of fresh hair because now we are spinning circles of having nothing more to tell on the topic.

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Originally Posted by Mansion

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Thank you , someone with common sense.

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Originally Posted by cougarel

Thank you , someone with common sense.

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Thank you dear!

And as we speak, another troll thread just spawned. *sigh*

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

You know, for people that keep complaining about x or y thread being useless, y'all sure do repeatedly post in them a lot. :confused:

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I love your glasses! :)