Request for Utsusemi

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Originally Posted by Xoo

I think this game is moving more toward the static camp as before. Here's why: Mages regain MP at a much faster rate when standing still; Movement will cancel casting; If you are in a Stronghold party without 50's to carry you, there is little need to roam as the respawn rate is so short; Mob concentration is very dense in many places; Many of the AoE Weaponskills are gone.

Exorcism Beans, Chakrams, Throwing Daggers.. all of those have a significantly less range to them compared to that of Archer and what I will assume will carry over into the Bowharp's range. Regarding Swiftsong, I imagine the sequence of pulling might go something like this: Utsusemi/Swiftsong > Buff group > Pull 4-5 mobs > Sleep > PLD Flash the group > PLD /ra 1 mob for the group > Group Defeats the mob > PLD pulls next /ra (Until group reduced to last) > Repeat.

As far as leashing, there are many spots where a group can stand and still pull from 2 or more immediate areas without having the mobs return. Just as in XI, there were key spots to camp in a group of target mobs - same here.

Thank you for not defaulting me as a troll and giving honest feedback to my suggestion. :)

EDIT: The only demerits anyone gave anything in this entire thread was to FFXI, Ninja and how Utsusemi was implemented and sometimes abused in that game. Trust me, not one person gave a single shred of commentary as to why it would or would not work in this game as I have suggested.

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You make good points about static vs roaming so I don't have any arguments there, but I will say there is the possibility that mindset might change with the implementation of jobs. We'll see.

However, I will like to point out that you said that it's important for mages to remain static because they heal MP faster. What you need to remember is that FFXIV BRD songs are actually spells that consume MP (if Swiftsong is any indication) as opposed to no-cost FFXI songs. Then there's the cross-class abilities that BRD can equip from CNJ and THM, and a lot of them consume MP too. This gives a reason for BRDs to remain static. I suppose you can argue that you can ignore the MP costs through the use of the MP regen you receive from the MP regen spell, but then the same argument could be used against other mages. No reason they can't roam, too.

Ranged weapons having less range than a normal Bow shot isn't that much an issue when pulling mobs because, unlike FFXI, mobs no longer hit you as long as you've put at least some distance between them. Mobs hitting me even though it look liked I put good distance in-between always annoyed me in FFXI.

Another thing that made Utsusemi necessary in FFXI BRD pulling was that mobs you've exp'd off of hit like a truck and the BRD would die in 3~4 hits. This isn't the case anymore in FFXIV. Yes, Utsusemi will probably still better, but Stoneskin will do just fine, and therefore, Utsusemi doesn't hold as much importance in pulling in FFXIV compared to FFXI.

Also, when I said demerits that other people mentioned, it's mostly to point out people who gave examples in how Utsusemi could be exploited. Yes, it wasn't abused all the time, but there is a precedent, and because it exists, there is no reason to believe that the same thing is not going to happen here too. Given the potential problems it can cause, the general consensus thus becomes 'don't bother'.

I will also say that people pulling mobs via riding a chocobo is silly. Make them stop and make them pull normally. If the mob is so far away that it requires a chocobo, move your camp closer.

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Originally Posted by Xoo

With sleep songs? Sleep arrows? AoE Sleep songs? AoE Sleep arrows? Your third question has already been answered, but I'll say it again: Too many times I've seen some random single party member jump on a Choco, ride headlong to a distant group of mobs and only bring back 1-3. This after some time had passed as they tried in vain to trigger sight aggro, only to get their Choco maimed and make it back far too slowly. This given that you're fighting mobs that do aggro.

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We have no sleep songs/arrows? People being Idiots and not knowing how to pull isn't a valid reason for needing ustu.

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Originally Posted by Stanislaw

You make good points about static vs roaming so I don't have any arguments there, but I will say there is the possibility that mindset might change with the implementation of jobs. We'll see.

However, I will like to point out that you said that it's important for mages to remain static because they heal MP faster. What you need to remember is that because BRD songs are actually spells that consume MP (if Swiftsong is any indication) as opposed to no-cost FFXI songs. It gives a reason for BRDs to remain static. I suppose you can argue that you can ignore the MP costs through the use of the MP regen you receive from the MP regen spell, but then the same argument could be used against other mages. No reason they can't roam, too.

Ranged weapons having less range than a normal Bow shot isn't that much an issue when pulling mobs because, unlike FFXI, mobs no longer hit you as long as you've put at least some distance between them. Mobs hitting me even though it look liked I put good distance in-between always annoyed me in FFXI.

Another thing that made Utsusemi necessary in FFXI BRD pulling was that mobs you've exp'd off of hit like a truck and the BRD would die in 3~4 hits. This isn't the case anymore in FFXIV. Yes, Utsusemi will probably still better, but Stoneskin will do just fine, and therefore, Utsusemi doesn't hold as much importance in pulling in FFXIV compared to FFXI, and even less of a reason to give it to BRD.

Also, when I said demerits that other people mentioned, it's mostly to point out people who gave examples in how Utsusemi could be exploited. Yes, it wasn't abused all the time, but there is a precedent, and because it exists, there is no reason to believe that the same thing is not going to happen here too.

I will also say that people pulling mobs via riding a chocobo is silly. Make them stop and make them pull normally.

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Bard will not have to move for a good time whilst the first 3 mobs are being killed. I assume this will be plenty of time to regain MP. The only reason I say that long range is necessary is due to the fact of 1 member's distand seperation from the group means no links when pulling. The rudamentary mockup I gave earlier displays the necessity for a longer ranged attack.

If a BRD is of appropriate level to be pulling from a worthwhile group of EXP mobs, then absolutely death is a threat. Having 4-5 Lv50 Ixali on your little Lv40 frame is going to hurt quickly.

I'm sure that Utsusemi for Bard will give it some advantages for survival, but does Second Wind favored to PGL make it invincible? Does Life Surge mean a Lancer can never die? A bit thin for examples, but I hope you can follow what I'm trying to say.

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Originally Posted by Xoo

Bard will not have to move for a good time whilst the first 3 mobs are being killed. I assume this will be plenty of time to regain MP. The only reason I say that long range is necessary is due to the fact of 1 member's distand seperation from the group means no links when pulling. The rudamentary mockup I gave earlier displays the necessity for a longer ranged attack.

If a BRD is of appropriate level to be pulling from a worthwhile group of EXP mobs, then absolutely death is a threat. Having 4-5 Lv50 Ixali on your little Lv40 frame is going to hurt quickly.

I'm sure that Utsusemi for Bard will give it some advantages for survival, but does Second Wind favored to PGL make it invincible? Does Life Surge mean a Lancer can never die? A bit thin for examples, but I hope you can follow what I'm trying to say.

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I understand what your trying to say. But here is the thing if the party can't handle the mobs to begin with without utsu. What makes you think they will be able to handle it with its puller having utsu? Adding sleep songs /arrows just to add utsu isn't really a valid answer.

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Originally Posted by Xianghua

We have no sleep songs/arrows? People being Idiots and not knowing how to pull isn't a valid reason for needing ustu.

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I must have missed it - where is the list of Bard actions and why isn't sleep in it!? What I'm saying is, is a Chocobo is not really designed to pull monsters. Mostly because it can be maimed and slowed, further adding to the time it has taken for the person that would be pulling (Gladiator) who is absolutely the last person I would choose to pull for me, as he is bound to the current mob.

Stanislaw mentioned earlier that he loved meripo on BRD. You know why that is? Because he could pull non-stop and watch the EXP flow. It was mean, fast, and most of all controlled.

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Originally Posted by Xoo

I must have missed it - where is the list of Bard actions and why isn't sleep in it!? What I'm saying is, is a Chocobo is not really designed to pull monsters. Mostly because it can be maimed and slowed, further adding to the time it has taken for the person that would be pulling (Gladiator) who is absolutely the last person I would choose to pull for me, as he is bound to the current mob.

Stanislaw mentioned earlier that he loved meripo on BRD. You know why that is? Because he could pull non-stop and watch the EXP flow. It was mean, fast, and most of all controlled.

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Yes i was brd on XI but it was a completely different style of leveling and battle. You don't need a choco to pull just like you don't need utsu to pull. It just makes it easier.

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Originally Posted by Xoo

Bard will not have to move for a good time whilst the first 3 mobs are being killed. I assume this will be plenty of time to regain MP. The only reason I say that long range is necessary is due to the fact of 1 member's distand seperation from the group means no links when pulling. The rudamentary mockup I gave earlier displays the necessity for a longer ranged attack.

If a BRD is of appropriate level to be pulling from a worthwhile group of EXP mobs, then absolutely death is a threat. Having 4-5 Lv50 Ixali on your little Lv40 frame is going to hurt quickly.

I'm sure that Utsusemi for Bard will give it some advantages for survival, but does Second Wind favored to PGL make it invincible? Does Life Surge mean a Lancer can never die? A bit thin for examples, but I hope you can follow what I'm trying to say.

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Wait, I'm a bit confused. In the first paragraph you say that the reason why the puller is so far away from the rest of the group is so s/he can pull one mob at a time, but at the same time describe you killing multiple mobs. In a situation when you only wanted to pull a single mob but you liked multiple, you can easily leash the mobs back in place, which is a big contrast compared to FFXI where multiple links usually meant death for the puller. Not that it always works, of course (such as the potential problem of running into an entirely different group of mobs in an attempt to run away).

Also, if you're fighting lv50 mobs at lv40, you're doing something very very wrong. It's way more cost effective to fight mobs 3~4 levels above you rather than 10, even in a PT. Quantity over quality.

Also, comparing Utsusemi to Second Wind and Life Surge is bit of a stretch because Utsuemi's potential far exceeds those two abilities. The biggest strength of Utsusemi was guaranteed evasion, no matter how strong it is. Theoretically speaking, this means that you can evade the Guardian of the Grove's attack (9999 damage) at least three times. Or any other lv90+ mobs roaming around areas like Mor Dohna for that matter. The other two abilities don't even come close.

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Originally Posted by Xianghua

I understand what your trying to say. But here is the thing if the party can't handle the mobs to begin with without utsu. What makes you think they will be able to handle it with its puller having utsu? Adding sleep songs /arrows just to add utsu isn't really a valid answer.

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Although I never did any meriting on Bard, I do vividly remember the trip I made as BRD/NIN at the Goblin Outpost in Eastern Altepa Desert. That is where I absolutely fell in love with the job and never looked back. With a good tank, I could pull one goblin, let the tank catch it, go out for the next pull meanwhile, sleep one nearby and as it slept, pull another near it. Run back to the melee group, buff 1x, Utsusemi (pulled mob is attacking me), Sleepga (other mob has joined), Tank vokes 1 of the 2 as the first is dead, Buff with 2nd melee song, pull again with Sleep, Run to mages, Utsusemi, Buff them and repeat.

It all amounted to a never-ending supply of Goblins, rotating sleep and utsusemi to rarely be hit by an IT mob.

I gotta get to bed. I'll comment later.

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Originally Posted by Xoo

Although I never did any meriting on Bard, I do vividly remember the trip I made as BRD/NIN at the Goblin Outpost in Eastern Altepa Desert. That is where I absolutely fell in love with the job and never looked back. With a good tank, I could pull one goblin, let the tank catch it, go out for the next pull meanwhile, sleep one nearby and as it slept, pull another near it. Run back to the melee group, buff 1x, Utsusemi (pulled mob is attacking me), Sleepga (other mob has joined), Tank vokes 1 of the 2 as the first is dead, Buff with 2nd melee song, pull again with Sleep, Run to mages, Utsusemi, Buff them and repeat.

It all amounted to a never-ending supply of Goblins, rotating sleep and utsusemi to rarely be hit by an IT mob.

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Bard can be a great puller and pull quickly without the need of Utsusemi. If you want brd to be a puller thats all you have to say.

I cant believe people are saying Utsusemi was bad because it was like "law" and required.

Those same hypocritical asshats will then go and do Ifrit with LNC only (well more like THM only now? no?) and SENTINAL only, then go do Moogle with ARC only, leaving all other people out to not be able to do the content.

So much hypocrit in this thread.

Utsusemi was epic, and PLD was still usable and very good. At least we had 2 options.

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Originally Posted by Xianghua

We have no sleep songs/arrows? People being Idiots and not knowing how to pull isn't a valid reason for needing ustu.

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One thing to note if you have an puller then your party is alrdy failing cause staying together = more links and more exp having one person do solo pulling is just stupid anyway so this argument is pretty much moot.

I have to go with the no crowd on this one. Overpowered abilites like uts and sentinel shouldn't have such a stranglehold on the community.

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Originally Posted by Volsung

I have to go with the no crowd on this one. Overpowered abilites like uts and sentinel shouldn't have such a stranglehold on the community.

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Yet Sentinel exists, and people require you to have it.

Same as before.

Just like you used to have to be LNC, or THM or ARC for Ifrit, Moogle, even DH was Arch only.

This is the communities fault and people always make a favoring setup mandatory.

blink tanking was practically the only thing in all of FFXI that was even remotely difficult. but can you imagine trying to time your manual shadow canceling with this server lag? huehuehuehuehue

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Originally Posted by viion

Yet Sentinel exists, and people require you to have it.

Same as before.

Just like you used to have to be LNC, or THM or ARC for Ifrit, Moogle, even DH was Arch only.

This is the communities fault and people always make a favoring setup mandatory.

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Well then sorry to point this out but wanting to add another thing that will be the the next "communities fault" as even you admit, is just a dumb move. Thats like saying, I know hitting myself hurts, but I'll do it anyways.

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Originally Posted by Volsung

Well then sorry to point this out but wanting to add another thing that will be the the next "communities fault" as even you admit, is just a dumb move. Thats like saying, I know hitting myself hurts, but I'll do it anyways.

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If its not Utsusemi, it will be something else. Because the community will always favour a specific strategy. Garauntee you people prioritize a specific Job on the new raids coming up XD (And a Specific Skill thats Mandatory).

Btw a lot of people hated Utsusemi because you had to have /nin sub, we dont have subs here, you just equip the skill, like Sentinel, and also hated it because of the cost/obtaining difficulty, which is non existent here as you would get it through a quest (like the new job skills) or through levels (like class skills), just like... Sentinel!

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Originally Posted by viion

If its not Utsusemi, it will be something else. Because the community will always favour a specific strategy. Garauntee you people prioritize a specific Job on the new raids coming up XD (And a Specific Skill thats Mandatory).
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I'm not saying it won't happen. I guarantee people will class stack. I did darkhold with lancers pugs mrds and pug gla and mrd
tanks (when they were able) even though everyone did arc groups.

What I AM saying is that previous mistakes existing don't make it right to implement stuff you know will be a mistake.

Sentinel is far from required, both hellfire and momento can be survived without it. people just don't want to work around a weakness they'd rather groan and moan about it than plan with that weakness in mind.

the only thing this game requires is a decent level minded player base, willing to work with players rather than shun them off because they ain't got the coo kids shades

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Originally Posted by Volsung

I'm not saying it won't happen. I guarantee people will class stack. I did darkhold with lancers pugs mrds and pug gla and mrd
tanks (when they were able) even though everyone did arc groups.

What I AM saying is that previous mistakes existing don't make it right to implement stuff you know will be a mistake.

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Its not a mistake though, the mistake is people Favouring it, which is going to happen with stuff regardless, I can see now from jobs there is a few things that will be mandatory and favoured (brd must have thm up! XD)

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Originally Posted by viion

Its not a mistake though, the mistake is people Favouring it, which is going to happen with stuff regardless, I can see now from jobs there is a few things that will be mandatory and favoured (brd must have thm up! XD)

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I'm too jaded from people making me sub nin on DRG and MNK in XI. I think we'll just have to disagree and agree that we have differing points of opinion on where the fault lies. For me its balance, and for you its a community issue.

As far as bard goes, I fraking LOVE having a buffer in my pt, but yea go go thm skills?

I loved ustu and I loved Ninja. I hope if SE makes that class they give them that spell. Even better I hope you can actually see your shadows as you're using them.

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Originally Posted by Volsung

I'm too jaded from people making me sub nin on DRG and MNK in XI. I think we'll just have to disagree and agree that we have differing points of opinion on where the fault lies. For me its balance, and for you its a community issue.

As far as bard goes, I fraking LOVE having a buffer in my pt, but yea go go thm skills?

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If done correctly I think you could see it being a neat addition but not overpowering, for example: Job Specific (Maybe as a Third Eye type of effect? on SAM Class), Cannot be shared, the job cannot get a self Heal so it relies on it, thus PLD which can self heal and has huge DEF down be still suitable. And you cannot add the skill as its job specific.

No common strategy used SAM to tank with Third Eye XD

Balance, I dont know about, Balance is such a strong word to talk about, GW2 has an Utsusemi type skill for Necromancer but you summon an actual copy of yourself, so to the NPC (or even player) its an identical clone of you and takes your spot, it even fights lol but its a fake shadow. Its quite deadly in PVP but its Balanced.

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Originally Posted by viion

If done correctly I think you could see it being a neat addition but not overpowering, for example: Job Specific (Maybe as a Third Eye type of effect? on SAM Class), Cannot be shared, the job cannot get a self Heal so it relies on it, thus PLD which can self heal and has huge DEF down be still suitable. And you cannot add the skill as its job specific.

No common strategy used SAM to tank with Third Eye XD

Balance, I dont know about, Balance is such a strong word to talk about, GW2 has an Utsusemi type skill for Necromancer but you summon an actual copy of yourself, so to the NPC (or even player) its an identical clone of you and takes your spot, it even fights lol but its a fake shadow. Its quite deadly in PVP but its Balanced.

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LOL why didn't you say earlier if it was tweaked? I'd totally be ok if it was tweaked. We're talking about plain ol' "super fast cast 3 hits go byebye utsu" in my mind. And even in your example it can't be cross classed ;) (which is probably for the better)

They have so many weapon classes I want to see in the future

katana, great katana, (I hope they dont make gsd part of gla class), large scythe, etc etc Then could make samurai a job for that gkt

Ahem.


>>>/ffxi/

You guys can argue back and forth about how "broken" blink tanking was but one thing you cannot dispute:

Blink tanking was FUN.

NOOOO , i demand ninja!

The flaw I see with a blink tank...

The premise is a very flimsy tank that can't take hits that well, and instead avoids them by chaining its shadows and evading. It's cool in theory but in practice and balance, not quite so much. The issue is that for the tank to be worth a damn, you want a good player to really more or less never get hit because they are that well geared and skilled. A tank that never takes damage will always, 100% of the time be favored over the tank that has to be healed constantly. Incase you didn't notice, this is what happened in XI (though it's not to say ninjas didn't EVER get hit).

The flip side is you let them get hit, but then if they're paper-thin they're going to die, get interrupted, etc. Who wants that VS a Paladin that can take hits and not have huge damage spikes / HP dips?

If you try to balance it to where the Ninja is both beefy enough to take some hits, while shedding lots of damage with shadows as well... is it essentially a different flavor of a Paladin blocking hits with a shield at that point? I think this option might be the most balanced, since it might require more thought as to when the Ninja actually utilizes its shadows rather than just spamming through them... but in the end it's likely they would always be on CD anyway, like every Gladiator ability usually is in a fight.

I think the concept has a lot of problems, and while it might be balance-able, FFXI's version was not really that way. Utsusemi should definitely NEVER be usable by ANY class other than Ninja; I don't want to see that ever again.

In the end I think Ninja should be what it was originally intended to be: a DPS with a damage avoidance buff for if it got threat. Utsusemi did shed hate every time the mob missed you, remember?

fyi

FFXIV =/= FFXI

Do whatever you want with ninja in ffxiv, but for god's sake, no more blink tanking. even for bards. I don't want that thing in any of my games
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Originally Posted by Riaayo

The flaw I see with a blink tank...

The premise is a very flimsy tank that can't take hits that well, and instead avoids them by chaining its shadows and evading. It's cool in theory but in practice and balance, not quite so much. The issue is that for the tank to be worth a damn, you want a good player to really more or less never get hit because they are that well geared and skilled. A tank that never takes damage will always, 100% of the time be favored over the tank that has to be healed constantly. Incase you didn't notice, this is what happened in XI (though it's not to say ninjas didn't EVER get hit).

The flip side is you let them get hit, but then if they're paper-thin they're going to die, get interrupted, etc. Who wants that VS a Paladin that can take hits and not have huge damage spikes / HP dips?

If you try to balance it to where the Ninja is both beefy enough to take some hits, while shedding lots of damage with shadows as well... is it essentially a different flavor of a Paladin blocking hits with a shield at that point? I think this option might be the most balanced, since it might require more thought as to when the Ninja actually utilizes its shadows rather than just spamming through them... but in the end it's likely they would always be on CD anyway, like every Gladiator ability usually is in a fight.

I think the concept has a lot of problems, and while it might be balance-able, FFXI's version was not really that way. Utsusemi should definitely NEVER be usable by ANY class other than Ninja; I don't want to see that ever again.

In the end I think Ninja should be what it was originally intended to be: a DPS with a damage avoidance buff for if it got threat. Utsusemi did shed hate every time the mob missed you, remember?

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XI's job system is nothing like this, so its silly to try compare them really.

What if you just take our existing tank, GLA:PLD and if sometime in future there is a third job on top, PLD can have a skill that allows it to dodge a skill, i mean... we have "dodge next attack" skills which is 33% there XD

*roasts his marshmallows in all the OP flames* :)

Why do we even need Utesusemi when we have stoneskin ?

I think a Ninja should be a strictly DD class/job not some wanabe tank anyway.

Request for ninja before utsu, Jesus... I thought nin was badass but a tactical DD for nin in this game would be great. At this point I just want any class with dual... Utsusemi to bard? My rage is rising

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Why do we even need Utesusemi when we have stoneskin ?

I think a Ninja should be a strictly DD class/job not some wanabe tank anyway.

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True I'd much prefer ninja to be DD, like a thief, but shadows is still a nice skill, if SE can do it right, which is doubtful >< /sad

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Originally Posted by viion

True I'd much prefer ninja to be DD, like a thief, but shadows is still a nice skill, if SE can do it right, which is doubtful >< /sad

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Yea a DD with high skills for debuffing would be nice, a high chance to blind could work just as well as utsusemi really.

Plus it would be a good opportunity for SE to bring back all those DOT's and debuffs.

Now I want Ninja :(

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Originally Posted by Stanislaw

Wait, I'm a bit confused. In the first paragraph you say that the reason why the puller is so far away from the rest of the group is so s/he can pull one mob at a time, but at the same time describe you killing multiple mobs. In a situation when you only wanted to pull a single mob but you liked multiple, you can easily leash the mobs back in place, which is a big contrast compared to FFXI where multiple links usually meant death for the puller. Not that it always works, of course (such as the potential problem of running into an entirely different group of mobs in an attempt to run away).

Also, if you're fighting lv50 mobs at lv40, you're doing something very very wrong. It's way more cost effective to fight mobs 3~4 levels above you rather than 10, even in a PT. Quantity over quality.

Also, comparing Utsusemi to Second Wind and Life Surge is bit of a stretch because Utsuemi's potential far exceeds those two abilities. The biggest strength of Utsusemi was guaranteed evasion, no matter how strong it is. Theoretically speaking, this means that you can evade the Guardian of the Grove's attack (9999 damage) at least three times. Or any other lv90+ mobs roaming around areas like Mor Dohna for that matter. The other two abilities don't even come close.

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Okay, where was I. The puller is so far from the group so that they may either simply turn and pull from the next group, or jog out a few steps only to do so. Pull > Sleep > PLD /ra > Kill > PLD /ra > Kill > PLD /ra > Kill > PT takes last of 4 as BRD is preparing to buff and pull again.

I understand that a mob from the high end of a ten-level spread is going to hit pretty hard, but we also have the ability to gain max EXP from that level gap.

In other news...

I just wanna say that suddenly I know what it feels like to be Naoki Yoshida and the rest of the development team. For lack of a better phrase, the lot of you are highly presumptuous, rude, immature, demanding, fickle.. - and because they can't say it, I will - ASSHOLES.

I had not even gotten the opportunity to speak about why I thought it was a good idea (nor was it even requested) until somewhere on page 10 or 11. Instead, what I got was a wolfpack snarling and growling at, lol.. shadows. Everyone already knew exactly what to expect as if it had already been implemented and came in a few patches ago, and this thread wasn't titled "Request for Utsusemi", but, "Tell Me What You Hated Most About FFXI".

I'll be removing my nifty little signature after this post. And I give my sincere apology if I ever came off as any of the above to anyone in development.

PS: I fully expect to have this post removed, for obvious reasons, but I wanted someone out there to read it at an apporopriate time.

And still, albeit unsurprisingly, only two people have actually requested and gave feedback on the proposition. Sad fact. What is the average age of this community again?, Five? - With myself and a handful of others towing the high end?

@OP (Xoo):

Decoy is almost like our utsusemi somewhat. If they decide to add it, i think it should be for one of the future katana classes' jobs. If it became unique to one of their jobs we wouldn't have to worry about everyone equipping it.

If they did allow everyone to equip it though, if they kept it on a decent timer cross-class(2min - 3min~) it wouldn't be so bad either.

I don't think it would be as similar as it is in FF11 because the fights in FF14 are much more dynamic & involved than just evading single melee attacks. At least the majority of content so far (multiple adds, mechanics(sear/eruption/plume), AoE, etc...).






EDIT: Sorry Xoo, the majority of the time people are just trying to look smarter than they really are on here & to prove their points for no real reason (boredom?, anger?, trolling?).

They know exactly what they're guilty of every time they reply with some condescending dribble about ABC because of XYZ.
It's usually like that on alot of "Official" MMO forums no matter where you go. You just have to ignore or sift through most the crap to get to anything half way decent.