They announced how worlds would be shuffled.

I'm more worried about all the friends I'm about to lose because of this

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Its been out for 5 years, yet for the first 2 at least of those, maybe 3, i dont remember, you were limited to same server only friends. Maybe thats where the difference in opinion comes into play. I made most of my friends before cross world became a thing.

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Okay, well 2 or 3 but that is a long time to make and be with your friend.
I'm sorry but just up and leaving friends like that is hard. There are people losing literally
so many friends by this, it's actually kinda sad. You could of made 2 friends, and then they get tossed in the other 2 centers...
Their friends, friend get tossed here and there as well. It's actually really damaging relationships more than you think.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino

AFK people have very little to do with this. AFK people have an affect on your specific world, not on the entire data center, or more importantly its instance servers.

Kicking AFKers fixes your login queue. It doesn't fix overloaded instance servers.

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Oh okay, I apologise. I thought she meant the actual server that you're in, not the Data Center.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

To every person who has tried to minimize the impact this is having on groups of friends being torn apart - please, I'm trying really hard to not get banned from the forums, don't force my hand.

Right now I am on Zalera with my FC and the majority of my static who I love. Our DRG is on Cactuar and we were so happy to find him at the end of Sigmascape and he fits in perfectly. My best friend in-game is from Adamantoise, sometimes he's literally been the reason I've kept playing so that we have a thing to do together and hang out in discord during. I've got people I care for on servers spread across all 3 data centers now and it was bad enough being unable to play with people from Primal but now it's gotten even worse.

If you think this isn't an absolutely awful decision by SE that showed basically no care for the playerbase or the friendships that have formed via this game I don't know what to tell you. If you think ' Oh well, make new friend's I am literally disgusted by you. Seek therapy, you need help.

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Sounds like a lot of problems that free server transfers will help with. You could see it in a glass-half-full light as an opportunity to consolidate all of those people you care about onto one central server. You've plenty of months to feel out your network and figure out which friends and friends of friends are going where. Unless, you know, digital realestate is more important to you than those friendships you lauded so enthusiastically. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm really not feeling that great about those coming changes. I'm on Balmung and obviously I like RP...but I also really like to raid.

I'm really afraid as to what will happen to the possibility of doing Savage Raids and Extreme Trials when we'll be on Crystal.
A lot of people do seem to think that the change is basically seperating the RPers and the raiders, and that is a bit concerning. Especially since Balmuing and Mateus are basically going to be moved with all of the low populations servers, which may not necessarily have that many endgame raiders on them.

This is really bothering me because I liked to do endgame raids for the challenge...but also for the glamour, because some of those gear sets in those endgame raids are nice to have for looks, and if you don't raid, you basically have to wait for 6 months for the next alliance raids to come out in the next patch to get the token that will let you upgrade the tomestone gear, and if you wanted the raid gear, well it's worse.

So overall, I'm rather worried. I really don't want to leave Balmung and I also wanna be able to still raid.

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Originally Posted by Rymm

Sounds like a lot of problems that free server transfers will help with. You could see it in a glass-half-full light as an opportunity to consolidate all of those people you care about onto one central server. You've plenty of months to feel out your network and figure out which friends and friends of friends are going where. Unless, you know, digital realestate is more important to you than those friendships you lauded so enthusiastically. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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"Which friends are going where"
Still implies you will loose friends, which means it's still awful, period.

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Originally Posted by Rymm

Sounds like a lot of problems that free server transfers will help with. You could see it in a glass-half-full light as an opportunity to consolidate all of those people you care about onto one central server. You've plenty of months to feel out your network and figure out which friends and friends of friends are going where. Unless, you know, digital realestate is more important to you than those friendships you lauded so enthusiastically. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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From my experience most people will choose greed over friends. Especially, on a MMO sad as it is. I've seen too much drama in my FF11 days made me jaded.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Its hard to not be used to "just making new friends" when as a child you move every 2-4 years. Maybe that's why im not all that upset, I'm used to it. I don't need therapy for my way of thinking any more than you need therapy for yours.

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I moved every few years in my childhood, and even continued the pattern myself as an adult for various reasons. But I still don't think "make new friends" is very good advice in general.

However, to address Moro's point, there are a ton of reasons this is being done that have already been mentioned in this thread. It's not as simple as "an absolutely awful decision" and they didn't show no care for your friendships but instead chose technical concerns over them; no care at all would be doing it with zero warning and not offering free transfers and such. Your particular situation sounds complicated and I doubt it can be solved, but I will say that complaining about it won't stop it from happening. It is unfortunate, but your time would be better spent communicating with those friends and trying to find out if there is something that can make the changes less bad for you.

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Originally Posted by Rymm

Sounds like a lot of problems that free server transfers will help with. You could see it in a glass-half-full light as an opportunity to consolidate all of those people you care about onto one central server. You've plenty of months to feel out your network and figure out which friends and friends of friends are going where. Unless, you know, digital realestate is more important to you than those friendships you lauded so enthusiastically. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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See, all those friends have connections that you dont have a connection to, and so on. At what point do we cut off people from their friends? Or do we all have to just put the whole population one datacenter?

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Originally Posted by Tsukino

I moved every few years in my childhood, and even continued the pattern myself as an adult for various reasons. But I still don't think "make new friends" is very good advice in general.

However, to address Moro's point, there are a ton of reasons this is being done that have already been mentioned in this thread. It's not as simple as "an absolutely awful decision" and they didn't show no care for your friendships but instead chose technical concerns over them; no care at all would be doing it with zero warning and not offering free transfers and such. Your particular situation sounds complicated and I doubt it can be solved, but I will say that complaining about it won't stop it from happening. It is unfortunate, but your time would be better spent communicating with those friends and trying to find out if there is something that can make the changes less bad for you.

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Oh i;m not complaining. I am just making a statement as to why im not as bothered by all this.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Its hard to not be used to "just making new friends" when as a child you move every 2-4 years, before the internet age and cellphones and constant connectivity were a thing. Maybe that's why im not all that upset, I'm used to it. I don't need therapy for my way of thinking any more than you need therapy for yours.

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I also spent most of my life moving every 2 to 4 years as a military brat, and as a soldier in my early adult life. That doesn't negate the valid concerns expressed by many here who have legitimate friendships. On a certain level, I understand your point of view because I don't have friends in this game as others do, but their worries are justified because they are being forced to choose between friendships, trusted raid/rp members, and/or both. Even i understand that it's a pretty big deal, and if you can't respect the worries that a lot of people are having, then maybe don't comment directly about it. Just a thought I had browsing through everything I missed.

/patpat Poor Diabolos... they should have been group with Leviathan or Gilgamesh.

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Originally Posted by Rymm

Sounds like a lot of problems that free server transfers will help with. You could see it in a glass-half-full light as an opportunity to consolidate all of those people you care about onto one central server. You've plenty of months to feel out your network and figure out which friends and friends of friends are going where. Unless, you know, digital realestate is more important to you than those friendships you lauded so enthusiastically. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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And again the thing with giving up one thing or the other. You don't get it that people don't want to do that right? But yeah there are always people who defend the stuff SE does as long as it doesn't rub them the wrong way.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Oh i;m not complaining. I am just making a statement as to why im not as bothered by all this.

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I didn't say you were, but I might have written that post poorly.

I would advise those who enjoy PvE/Raiding to run to Aether.
Crystal is obviously the RP center with a few low pop servers.
They seem to balance the problem with normal dungeons
but raiding and static grouping may prove to be the biggest issues.

I'm not sure about Primal, I don't hear anything about any of those servers
minus Leviathan being pretty populated? But that was years ago.

We have a lot of time to decide though. So I do hope people find a way.
This is kind of a big deal.

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Originally Posted by Ilan

And again the thing with giving up one thing or the other. You don't get it that people don't want to do that right? But yeah there are always people who defend the stuff SE does as long as it doesn't rub them the wrong way.

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I don't mean this to sound harsh, and I really feel bad for those that have to choose, but.... That's too bad (again, I know that sounds negative, it's not intended that way, just can't think of a better way to express it). Something needed to be done and this is what they have decided this is the best/easiest/whatever to go about it. I get that people don't want to choose... but, that's not an option. They made it pretty clear that complaining about it is futile. We would be better served spending our time trying to congregate as many people as we could somewhere that would be the most convenient for the most people of our particular group.

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Originally Posted by Aramina

I don't mean this to sound harsh, and I really feel bad for those that have to choose, but.... That's too bad (again, I know that sounds negative, it's not intended that way, just can't think of a better way to express it). Something needed to be done and this is what they have decided this is the best/easiest/whatever to go about it. I get that people don't want to choose... but, that's not an option.

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Is it bad to think that I'm looking forward to the chaos this will cause? At least it's a change and I'm all for change. Will be painful for most but change always is. Nothing lasts forever.

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Originally Posted by Aramina

I don't mean this to sound harsh, and I really feel bad for those that have to choose, but.... That's too bad (again, I know that sounds negative, it's not intended that way, just can't think of a better way to express it). Something needed to be done and this is what they have decided this is the best/easiest/whatever to go about it. I get that people don't want to choose... but, that's not an option. They made it pretty clear that complaining about it is futile. We would be better served spending I time trying to congregate as many people as we could somewhere that would be the most convenient for the most people of our particular group.

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Not to parrot what I've been saying in my own thread, but they really should do this a week or two before 5.0, not in the middle of a raid tier where people have established statics and groups working on clears.

I am willing to look for new recruits on the expansion as much as I hate to do it, it's a lot easier to recruit people at the start of a raid tier instead of in the middle of it.

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Originally Posted by Jybril

I would advise those who enjoy PvE/Raiding to run to Aether.
Crystal is obviously the RP center with a few low pop servers.
They seem to balance the problem with normal dungeons
but raiding and static grouping may prove to be the biggest issues.

I'm not sure about Primal, I don't hear anything about any of those servers
minus Leviathan being pretty populated? But that was years ago.

We have a lot of time to decide though. So I do hope people find a way.
This is kind of a big deal.

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ok i dont like this regrouping as much as the next person, but come on =.= every one of my statics have been based primarily in balmung with a reasonable ratio of balmung, mateus, and goblin in queues and pfs.
Community apocalypse? Sure.
PvE apocalypse? Nah.

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Originally Posted by Jybril

I would advise those who enjoy PvE/Raiding to run to Aether.
Crystal is obviously the RP center with a few low pop servers.
They seem to balance the problem with normal dungeons
but raiding and static grouping may prove to be the biggest issues.

I'm not sure about Primal, I don't hear anything about any of those servers
minus Leviathan being pretty populated? But that was years ago.

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Primal will still have a decent raiding population overall once the shuffle occurs. Servers such as Behemoth, Leviathan, and Excalibur come to mind. Probably Hyperion as well.

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Originally Posted by Aramina

I don't mean this to sound harsh, and I really feel bad for those that have to choose, but.... That's too bad (again, I know that sounds negative, it's not intended that way, just can't think of a better way to express it). Something needed to be done and this is what they have decided this is the best/easiest/whatever to go about it. I get that people don't want to choose... but, that's not an option. They made it pretty clear that complaining about it is futile. We would be better served spending our time trying to congregate as many people as we could somewhere that would be the most convenient for the most people of our particular group.

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But it is not only the choosing.. It is the EU Servers population. Right now its difficult to find people for some stuff or even find new people for a static. How should this work if population ist splitted in two parts?
EU doesn't really need new servers. Yes, people will come back for 5.0 but many of them will leave as fast as they came back as it is always happening.

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Originally Posted by Zainy

Not to parrot what I've been saying in my own thread, but they really should do this a week or two before 5.0, not in the middle of a raid tier where people have established statics and groups working on clears.

I am willing to look for new recruits on the expansion as much as I hate to do it, it's a lot easier to recruit people at the start of a raid tier instead of in the middle of it.

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Oh I don't disagree with you, though I would imagine that they are doing it beforehand to work out any kinks so I can see why they are opting to do that. My post was more to those "This sucks I shouldn't be forced to <insert whatever>." and in a perfect world no one ever would have to choose between anything ever.... but unfortunately that perfect world doesn't exist (even in games).

My characters aren't switching data centers, and I'm not personally attached to any specific other world's in the cluster so I guess I'm fine. I'm just worried queue times are going to be even more horrendous than usual since they are cutting data center populations significantly... I assume they are not implementing cross data center duty/party finder so I'm a little worried.

genuine question here, for the people affected. I haven't seen a post from anybody saying that a solution is making an alt on the other datacenter to stay in contact. Why making an alt is not an option? With an alt, you can stay in touch, you can rejoin the statics leveling it up. I think it is worth it, if I really wanted to keep contact, and leveling an alt is pretty fast in this game

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Originally Posted by ElainaMason

But it is not only the choosing.. It is the EU Servers population. Right now its difficult to find people for some stuff or even find new people for a static. How should this work if population ist splitted in two parts?
EU doesn't really need new servers. Yes, people will come back for 5.0 but many of them will leave as fast as they came back as it is always happening.

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That's a completely different argument. If there is (or will be) a major disparity on content clears or queues or what have you then that should definitely be addressed.

This is the single worst news I could imagine... Literally just deleted any hype (which was minimal anyway since I expect just more of the same with 5.0 already) fanfest had created and threw me into a f*cking bus... As if a free transfer + gil limits/housing fixes anything... How damn out of touch with your playerbase do you need to be for this to be considered anything but a disaster? I pray they halt this decision because it is potentially a game ender for me. You don't split up friends like this, you don't ruin already ailing queues like this... This is such a monumentally bad move... All for what? So there is no Rabauhn Savage in 5.0? Got some bad news for you, that's still going to happen.

Overpopulation, at least with Chaos, isn't even the real issue... Now you'll have two data centers barely held together with gum and string that'll still break at 5.0s launch, that will still suffer the same network issues... The population is small, the issue is that the hardware/networking using for the data center is just awful and basically always has been... I look forward to 6.0 adding a third EU data center with the exact same issues, perhaps by 8.0 we can just make it a solo game with one data center per player? All still with the exact same technical problems Chaos currently has, of course.

Crazy idea, maybe use some of that Mogstation money to instead invest in better server technology/networking? Nah? Go for the cheap option and just get more of the same? All while screwing over your playerbase? Unbelievable...

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O12 Clears per Server:
Chaos:221
Cerb:70
Louisaisuuax: 8
FrenchServer: 28
Omega: 7
Ragna: 108
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Light:186
Lich: 12
Odin: 57
Phoenix: 54
Shiva: 41
Zodiark: 22

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Odin would rank fourth in Chaos for O12S clears. Great distribution. SE showing once again they are clueless. Also crafters will migrate to heavy raiding datacentres. Seems like SE really thought this through. Shocking stuff. Inexcusable.

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That's actually pretty balanced in terms of total clears. For Chaos, Cerberus and Ragnarok will likely push the other servers up in terms of clearing raids, as static recruitment will involve them more, and Light will remain quite stable.
Also, they probably took the languages into account when splitting, as it seems that Chaos will have more french players, while Light will have more german players. Not everything is about endgame raiding.

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Originally Posted by Aramina

That's a completely different argument. If there is (or will be) a major disparity on content clears or queues or what have you then that should definitely be addressed.

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Even now, statics have trouble finding new members, queues are long (lol PvP), Farm Groups could be more... And this little population is to be splitted in two. That... will be the death of decent raiding, PvP, and all those trying DPS queueing.

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Originally Posted by Dirwen

Is it bad to think that I'm looking forward to the chaos this will cause? At least it's a change and I'm all for change. Will be painful for most but change always is. Nothing lasts forever.

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Maybe a little bad. ;) I agree it will be painful, but I expect it will all work out in the end. I guess I am just the type of person that says "Ok this is the situation, what can I do to make the best of this situation." rather than "This sucks. I hate it. Don't do it." That's not to say I am right and they are wrong... just different. :)

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That's actually pretty balanced in terms of total clears. For Chaos, Cerberus and Ragnarok will likely push the other servers up in terms of clearing raids, as static recruitment will involve them more, and Light will remain quite stable.
Also, they probably took the languages into account when splitting, as it seems that Chaos will have more french players, while Light will have more german players. Not everything is about endgame raiding.

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It's...Not Balanced If you take the people with Mixed statics into Account that are Part of Ragnarok Teams

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Originally Posted by Roda

ok i dont like this regrouping as much as the next person, but come on =.= every one of my statics have been based primarily in balmung with a reasonable ratio of balmung, mateus, and goblin in queues and pfs.
Community apocalypse? Sure.
PvE apocalypse? Nah.

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I'm saying if you wanna focus more on raiding lol.
Gilgamesh is the biggest raiding server so if you prefer that
then there you go, along with Sarg. I just feel like Crystal
would probably have the lesser of the static side.
I'm not saying it's going to be dead, but it sure will
be a lot less going on now.

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Originally Posted by Enla

https://i.imgur.com/bB0pjkP.png
https://i.imgur.com/i2Whrx5.png

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You can tell they did this by numbers. Separating Balmung, the one with the most persistent population helps everyone left on Aether.


However looking at stats like this tells another story:
http://i68.tinypic.com/kajj13.jpg

Balmung having less characters because it's been locked from bots most of the time. So my guess here is that they probably used an algorithm like "number of characters completed MSQ 4.0" to decide what else goes to the Crystal DC.

It's obvious this was a plan to separate Balmung from Aether. So they cut Aether in half, and then took three from Primal so Primal's DC would have the same number.


No new servers for NA.

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It's...Not Balanced If you take the people with Mixed statics into Account that are Part of Ragnarok Teams

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And those will most likely transfer to Chaos

I feel EU got really screwed here.
It can already be complicated to find players in PF, some roulettes also take quite some time, and now they're splitting the DC in half ? well not even half, Light is really in a bad position, especially regarding raid content.

This just won't work, most hardcore raiders will move to Chaos, many statics will be broken, many players will lose their FCs and houses, and most importantly, their friends.

I really don't understand how they even considered doing this for EU, it just shows a deep disconnexion between the devs and the players.

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Originally Posted by Aramina

Maybe a little bad. ;) I agree it will be painful, but I expect it will all work out in the end. I guess I am just the type of person that says "Ok this is the situation, what can I do to make the best of this situation." rather than "This sucks. I hate it. Don't do it." That's not to say I am right and they are wrong... just different. :)

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If people never try to change something with their opinion we would live in a really really bad world. Worse than it is right now :D
First saying what we think and if we can't influence the decision we can try to make the best of the situation.

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Originally Posted by SoleilAlphi

genuine question here, for the people affected. I haven't seen a post from anybody saying that a solution is making an alt on the other datacenter to stay in contact. Why making an alt is not an option? With an alt, you can stay in touch, you can rejoin the statics leveling it up. I think it is worth it, if I really wanted to keep contact, and leveling an alt is pretty fast in this game

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Because this game really isn't one that supports alt-play that well. and it kind of expects you to play just one character.

Sure am glad we get to beta the World-Visit system before 5.0, because I'm far less inclined to use it after this split screws me over.

10/10 Fanfest, sure am looking forward to the disaster Paris Fanfest will be next year now. If we don't get a "Is this an out of season April Fools joke?" reference I'll be pretty disappointed in this community tbh.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Its hard to not be used to "just making new friends" when as a child you move every 2-4 years, before the internet age and cellphones and constant connectivity were a thing. Maybe that's why im not all that upset, I'm used to it. I don't need therapy for my way of thinking any more than you need therapy for yours.

Anyway, I've said my piece.

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It's fine that you think that, everyone is wrong sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Rymm

Sounds like a lot of problems that free server transfers will help with. You could see it in a glass-half-full light as an opportunity to consolidate all of those people you care about onto one central server. You've plenty of months to feel out your network and figure out which friends and friends of friends are going where. Unless, you know, digital realestate is more important to you than those friendships you lauded so enthusiastically. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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This was a really cruel thing to say, like a medium house that I have barely decorated is somehow going to outweigh getting to play with the people I'm close to? Disgusting. I can't mandate where people move or if they do and each of these people also no doubt has a web of people they are connected to who may or may not move and may or may not end up on the same DC. I would happily give up my house, gil and whatever else for this to just not be happening. But maybe that's because I'm not some sociopath.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Sure am glad we get to beta the World-Visit system before 5.0, because I'm far less inclined to use it after this split screws me over.

10/10 Fanfest, sure am looking forward to the disaster Paris Fanfest will be next year now.

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This is coming in 4.5 the server restructuring is coming in 4.5 not at 5.0

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Originally Posted by SoleilAlphi

genuine question here, for the people affected. I haven't seen a post from anybody saying that a solution is making an alt on the other datacenter to stay in contact. Why making an alt is not an option? With an alt, you can stay in touch, you can rejoin the statics leveling it up. I think it is worth it, if I really wanted to keep contact, and leveling an alt is pretty fast in this game

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My main is the only character I want to do things on. I want to raid with my Gilgamesh friends on my main character to gear my MAIN character. Not my alt. Likewise, I want my MAIN character to be the one that has the house.

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Originally Posted by Vaati_Kigu

This is coming in 4.5 the server restructuring is coming in 4.5 not at 5.0

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Oh goodie, another dead on arrival feature for me then. Let me just throw that on the pile with the rest, Hello there LoV, haven't seen you in a while.

So damn soon though... Man this really should have at least been an expansion thing... Giving people very little time to make plans for this isn't good, forcing groups to split mid-content (granted Omega is done now but who knows how many are still progressing it and will now be sh*t out of luck), but I guess it makes ignoring threads like this much easier...