tbh I don’t get why some people are vehemently against a temporary suspension. As it is, we’re set to get 700+ new plots next month, giving people a short grace period isn't going to really effect those trying to get a house.
[Request] Please Suspend Housing Demolition for NA
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09-13-2017, 05:10 AMRokke
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09-13-2017, 05:52 AMNerfworthy
Yes please. I am not personally affected by the disaster which I am blessed for, but I have many friends who are. Please think about them, SE.
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09-13-2017, 05:59 AMSeoulstarIf that the case, then it shouldn't have been suspended when Japan was suffering from the tsunami and earthquakes..you say it doesn't seem fair that some people get this treatment and others doesn't. Yet here we are Japan got this treatment for suffering earthquakes and tsunami's and America was hit by two hurricanes, and possibly a third one is going to hit as well. Don't you think it's not fair if all what NA gets is "Well, that's too bad but your house will still be demolished."Quote:
Originally Posted by Legewiel
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09-13-2017, 06:04 AMFoxyAreku
Still no dev response here. Interesting.
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09-13-2017, 06:12 AMKiriezaiku
It's really disappointing to see how many people are so viciously against something that really wouldn't impact their gameplay like, at all.
A suspension of auto-demolish happened once before for a large-scale disaster, and should be happening now, due the amount of areas impacted and the time a great deal of people may need to deal with things before they can manage to return to the game. It would be a kind gesture to leave them this small thing, untouched for when they can return. Quite honestly I agree with several people saying that the timer itself shouldn't even start until someone is not paying on their sub, but that's a whole other arguement.
Please SE, we really need some feedback on this. -
09-13-2017, 06:26 AMOuroborus
There are 6.5 million residents in the Houston metro area, and a nearly equivalent population density as Kumamoto (where the earthquake that caused the 1st demolition suspension hit). There are now over 200,000 people that have filed for disaster relief (for comparison, 180,000 where sheltered in Japan). This is just from hurricane Harvey. Irma has now left 16 million people without electricity across the southeast US. 35 fatalities (comparable to the earthquake). And as far north as Charleston, SC is sitting under water.
And this doesn't touch the fire evacuations in the Pacific Northwest. Seriously, the US is so large that even other citizens fail at times to realize the scope of damage that can at times happen. But right now, the US is getting wrecked. There are more potential storms on the way. And there will be a very long wait for a lot of people to get help getting their lives back given the resource cuts to emergency relief.
A demo suspension needs to happen. -
09-13-2017, 06:27 AMJumperXWell SE HQ is in Japan sooooo.... That could have been the reason why Japan received preferential treatment. It is not fair, but it is their house/home. They are always gping to prioritize themselves above anyone. I am nkt affected by the recent natural disasters, but I will stay neutral in this. Iam not the pro the again nor agaisnt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seoulstar
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09-13-2017, 06:47 AMLegewielLike I said i'm not against it, do it! It doesn't impact me at all and I think that this ppl deserve something too, I already made my donation (even thought it were small cause I couldn't afford to do more =/) to help them and I don't even live on US. But they're all ppl like me and I'm concerned about them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seoulstar
It's just that i think it were a bad decision they did in the past with the Japan stuff that opened a precedent for this to be asked again now and it'll happen again and again.
Like I said if the demolition time were raised to like 4 months forever it would still work to get the houses away from ppl that gave up on the game completely and still give plenty of time for ppl that had to leave the game temporarily cause of a major disaster like this one or even problems in their own life.
And yes I do think that square could help on this, but It could be a more substantial help... Like when we did the Lalafell invasion to raise funds it could have been an official event, with more support and using more servers with the gms helping organizing it. Or they could do like wow is doing, blizzard made a minion and put it to sell on their cash shop and all the money raised from the selling will be sent to this cause. Final Fantasy have so many awesome characters if they got just of the well know characters from old games and put it to sell it would raise a crazy amount of money in little time. -
09-13-2017, 09:29 AMMrydeen
/signed
Any EST based FC will be affected by this. This needs to be a thing.
Lets not forget Mexico was also affected by a massive earthquake and hurricane Katia. -
09-13-2017, 10:32 AMShadowHunterrXYou forgot the floodings in India and Bangladash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrydeen
It will also be a great idea to postbone the Shirogane launch. Victims wont get a chance to get a house now and they waiting soo long. Let's show our compassion and empaty ! -
09-13-2017, 10:52 AMSomeRandomHuman
As much as I agree with this I know it won't happen. It's not exactly a secret that SE has patriotic favoritism for their own nation, which is respectable mind you, but they more than likely won't extend this curtesy to the states. Why? I can't speak for the team themselves. I'm sure that SENA would like it, but the head honchos probably don't as far as this is concerned.
Its like hearing the stories of third-world countries. Most people will see it on the news or so, share a few moments of sympathy and then move on. So because of this I extend my own sympathies to those affected and wish them good health and safety. I donated a few packages of water this past weekend to the red cross. -
09-13-2017, 11:03 AMBig_Panda
14 pages and going
I am going to make a guess that SE will never respond to this thread.
Why? Because they legitimize this debate/discussion when they make an official response.
If they have no intention of suspending the timer, then the best response is to simply ignore this thread completely. -
09-13-2017, 11:56 AMDracotheDragon
i signed i think this is truly fair
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09-13-2017, 12:17 PMKelaniAnd I'm not saying that everyone who disagrees and is against the delay is lacking in compassion. If you go back and re-read my post I clearly said that the people that are telling those that are showing empathy towards those that have been a victim of losing their homes and are trying to pick up the pieces, are needing to re-evaluate their lives - that is what I called lacking in compassion. I think these types of comments are unnecessary and to be honest if you're going to say something like that then you're just trolling and being nasty anyway, there's just no need for those types of comment, if you have an opinion at least be respectful. I have no problem with anyone that does not support the delay as long as they're being respectful in their comments. It was the few snide remarks pissing over people's empathy that riled me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarteck
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09-13-2017, 12:35 PMFoxyArekuThat's what I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Panda
And to think I defended SE when people against the earthquake suspension said SE would never do this for an american tragedy. smh. I'm a fool lol. -
09-13-2017, 12:44 PMLouvainI wouldn't count them out yet. 14 pages, but only 2 days old. This kind of decision cannot be made lightly within a day or two. they have to hold meetings and bring it up for consideration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Panda
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09-13-2017, 04:16 PMShadowHunterrXUhm because you do say that. If you dont agree , you dont have a heart. Instead of burning people down like you do now. Why dont you the ask the people who say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelani
Second : Empathy and companssion are weird here in a way. You guys are speaking for people who have better things on there mind. If i was a victim and had no house. And some of you guys ask *do i need to safe your ingame house*. I would smack you on the spot. Because then you guys are disrepectfull to the situation the person is in.
Third : They want auto demo for all NA players and some want no delay for opening Shirogane. That is speaking 2 morals and I my eyes using the situation in there own benefit. There are people here for real wanting to help people , but the most people here want this for there own benefit. We know how much house owners hate auto demo.
Four : In Japan they are more respectfull to each another and the people are less selfish in these situations.
They just need a toggle to disable the auto demo for residents for the hitted states and country\\'s :). -
09-13-2017, 04:33 PMRaqrie_Tohka
Seeing all the arguing in this thead, if I were SE I'd be hesitant to take any action at all. I really think a better overall policy will do more good, than any amount of "gestures". And be less messy, too.
[TL;DR] Change it so that auto demolition timer only starts count down after your subscription expires, and auto-demolition should never happen if you still have an active subscription. -
09-13-2017, 04:42 PMKelaniFirstly I have not used the term heartless at all and for you to suggest that is just being antagonistic for the sake of an argument. As I said I don't have a problem with people's opposition towards the demolition delay, in fact some people here have put forth very good arguments as to why it shouldn't be delayed and they have done so in a respectful way, and yes although I fully support a demo delay, I can see the reasoning behind some of the comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadowHunterrX
Also, my hubby suggested the very same thing you suggested, I'd even go so far as to say that it would be a good thing to have (not just for NA) on a permenant basis. I highly doubt this will happen. I know if I was affected by any of this, it would be the last thing I was thinking of, but after returning to some sense of normalacy I'd be grateful for the demo delay. -
09-13-2017, 05:52 PMCelef
Although it would be fair I higlhy doubt they would do such a thing, they've proven us at many occasion now that only JP players matter to them :/
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09-13-2017, 06:24 PMalimdiaIt's okay to think it's not a big deal, but I don't get what's gained from continuously asserting that opinion unless the intent is to be against it. Not talking about you specifically, but if you check the thread there are several people who keep coming back just to argue that it's not a big deal for them and I'm not quite sure what they are trying to achieve if they aren't against it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Welsper59
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09-13-2017, 10:53 PMSarteckI am against it.Quote:
Originally Posted by alimdia
It's not a big deal, but I'm still against it.
And apparently that makes me some horrible, uncompassionate human being. (According to the others in this thread you're not pointing at for some reason.) -
09-13-2017, 10:58 PMLittleSparrow
I think this would be a beautiful gesture. My feels go out to the poor souls over there. I wish I could help :(
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09-14-2017, 12:47 AMKelaniYou seem to have taken everything anyone has said as a personal attack against you which is not the case. No I did not say you were a horrible person, no I did not say you were lacking in compassion. My comments were directed to two people and neither of them were you. As I've countlessesly responded several times I have no problem with people who do not agree, it's when they lack respect of the situation that I have a problem with. All I suggested was that people show respect with their comments and suddenly I'm the bad guy? If you don't agree with what I said fine then don't, but I've just this to say and leave you to think it over - I've only seen you call yourself a horrible person...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarteck
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09-14-2017, 01:26 AMLyshellI stopped responding because I am against it (mostly because it means we would have to stop it anytime ANYTHING happened) and the hateful comments I received were from people who were for it and I was civil and not disrespectful at all but I wasn't going to get into petty arguments with people who wanted to fight me like I was the greatest evil in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarteck
The thing I hate about this thread, is there is no response and there already is disrespect towards the company already assuming they don't care or care only about Japan, and that was my biggest concern about this whole thing because if they make it a habit of responding to something like this then it will become the disaster wars. "Well why is this disaster more important than the other one?" "Why not stop it for this disaster and not the other one?" It's already happening within this thread. So I would prefer if SE does not respond or comment because people would just demand more and more and never be happy. -
09-14-2017, 01:54 AMMyrhn
Im against it. Sorry but I dont think is a good reason. If you compare it to Japan, JP servers are specifically for them for the most part they had an earthquake, tsunami all that affect them all jp people in one way or another. The hurracain Harvey and Irma just affect the USA and just the southeast part. USA is not the only country from NA. I know you guys feel are the center of everything but no. Furthemore the NA servers were not affected by this while the JP server were potencially been affected.
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09-14-2017, 02:05 AMIromiThe only time the game went down because of the earthquakes, to the point where the servers had to be shut off to conserve power was in 2011. Anyway, after that they postponed the demolition because people did not have access to electricity, etc and that is the same now for the USA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrhn
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09-14-2017, 02:18 AMMyrhnI didnt knew the affected areas were all of USA but hey you learn a bit every day, Not the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iromi
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09-14-2017, 02:40 AMsilverlunarfoxWell i Mean,the west including Canada are just on fire, everywhere it seems like. the entire south of the US, Gulf Islands, and parts of Mexico are underwater. Mexico just had an earthquake as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrhn
You're right, its not all of the US, but it does include other countries/islands/territories too. -
09-14-2017, 03:18 AMNiwashiIt affected lots of people across a wide area, but not by any means all of Japan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrhn
Suspending housing reclamation does nothing for the servers, so the servers being affected wouldn't even pertain to this decision. If the JP servers had been affected, we'd have seen the servers themselves go down, but that didn't happen. The decision to suspend reclamations after the Japanese earthquake had to do with players from the impacted area who couldn't get into the game due to their own losses of electricity, internet access and/or platforms to play on. That's now the case for more NA players than it was for JP players then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrhn
All that said, I think a more lasting solution (like lengthening the reclamation timer to six months or so, or linking it to paid subscriptions rather than entering the house) would be a better solution than simply suspending the reclamations for a while. Those type of solutions would work for any disasters wherever they occur rather than leaving a question of which disasters are bad enough and which aren't.
But doing nothing for the NA disasters after they suspended the reclamations for a comparable disaster in Japan does leave them open to accusations of unfairness. They should do something, whether that's temporarily suspending reclamations or changing the rules of how they work. -
09-14-2017, 03:21 AMMrydeen
Guys,
Some of you'll are not affected by the unfortunately incident. That's great for you, but at the very least please be mindful for the victims and those related to them.
When they last suspended the housing situation for JP, it was initiated by YoshiP thru one of his letters. And it was accomplished for all the servers - NA included. While they don't need to do it, it's still good PR, and would better justify their previous stance, and or disprove our opinions of SE's JP bias. -
09-14-2017, 03:58 AMMyrhnAnd yet you dont see the people of those area requesting anything, not even by a proxy. Affected people wont care if they lose it or not because is not the priority. Would it be nice if they do it sure, but at this point I see it more of a demand for them to do it more than a request.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverlunarfox
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09-14-2017, 05:29 AMMoonlite
The problem(ok one of the problems) is they can't seem to design certain systems for certain areas. When they suspended it for Japan it should be JP servers, if they suspend for NA it should be NA servers. Or they could just come out and say the first time they did it was a mistake and going forward they won't ever turn it off.
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09-14-2017, 05:35 AMWelsper59All things considered, why is bias a problem here? Lives are not on the line obviously, and no one reasonable would accuse them of simply not caring if they don't, since you might as well accuse practically every company and individual of that for any given disaster. Of course there's going to be a bias, as Japan is home turf for SE. That, despite what some may think, is enough reason for bias to exist in this context. I'm not against the idea of them doing it, but it's not as worthwhile as many of you folks seem to think. Headlines across the gaming world are not going to suddenly say "Final Fantasy XIV developers act on a good gesture in-game!" or anything like that. Likewise, the people unaffected will either not care about the cause itself (just maybe reaping the minimal benefit) or go "oh that's nice" and never think about it again. It's still a positive thing, but it's not worth much more of a thought than simply flipping a coin to decide on it (i.e. the result doesn't matter). This gesture is not going to remove any distaste any given person has for content or a decision by the devs they don't like, for example lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrydeen
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09-14-2017, 05:42 AMAzakaTonnerreI live in Florida. I am lucky to live in an area that was not affected too bad and I got my power back this morning. That said, my credit card company suspended late fees the next two months for people who need to make credit card payments. Additionally they introduced a year of 0% interest for purchases needed to help with recovery (available over the next few months). Verizon is not charging anyone in an affected area data for two weeks (they extended it a week yesterday). Many other companies have offered other assistance on their services (I am not listing more - a simple google search is all you need if you don't live in an area affected). None of these were specifically asked for by anyone as far as I can see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrhn
Many companies do these things not because they were asked for, but because it is the right thing to do, and it shows they are socially integrated within the communities they do business.
Furthermore, just because someone does not place temporary priority on losing something (housing) while dealing with this, does not mean that the community we share with them should not do what we can to ensure what they enjoy is there for them when they are able to return. -
09-14-2017, 06:09 AMMeraiiThese things are to do with finance and money that can have real world implications for persons if they don't/are unable to pay due to their circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by AzakaTonnerre
A comparable gesture would be for SE to give them some free game time / suspend charging sub renewals for a bit or to even raise money to help them out.
Making them temporarily immune to certain features of the game is not comparable to the gestures you mentioned and one could even claim SE to be insincere in their sympathies for offering such a feeble thing.
"oh you lost your home? Well here's an extention on the demolition timer for a virtual home that you may not even have"
It would be akin to an FPS game offering a free medipack to victims of a shooting. -
09-14-2017, 06:50 AMAwha
Call me crazy but if I am was left without power or my home was inaccessible my video game home would be the last thing on my mind. So while the gesture is nice I do feel it is unnecessary.
Also asking to delay the new housing zone for everyone in light of this, yeah I am sure that will end well for SE, I mean they would get zero push back. Best idea NA! -
09-14-2017, 07:02 AMNiwashinot priority =/= don't careQuote:
Originally Posted by Myrhn
Obviously, the loss of an in-game house is nothing like being left homeless by a natural disaster in real life. But when people face major real-life turmoil, there is a great deal of stress. A common (though not universal) reaction to such stress is to become hyper sensitive, where even minor things they might have taken in stride otherwise become overwhelming, because of how they're compounding on top of other (much bigger) losses.
Ever hear the expression "insult on top of injury"? Being driven out of your home by a natural disaster is the injury. Consequently losing a virtual house in a video game you enjoy and have put a great deal of time into is the insult. I'm sure there are many people who will indeed care. -
09-14-2017, 08:53 AMKisaiTenshiThis was largely a spring-to-summer long phenomenon, where as the tohoku earthquake was a one-off disaster. I would not expect a game to suspend it's events/progress/housing, etc for half a year, but it seems relatively within reason to push off minimally the housing auto-demolish since it would not harm the game balance by doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louvain
That said, for obvious reasons, there are climate-related disasters every year (everyone remember last winter?) so it would impair the game if updates were pushed only during non-disaster seasons (which varies by part of the world.) -
09-14-2017, 08:57 AMSarteck
Here's a thought...
Be the change you want to see.
If you guys are really this worried about it, then offer your own help in acquiring a new house in game for those you find to be affected.
Y'know, putting your money where your mouth is and all.