What should be the next tank job

Judge, with the ability to switch stances from turning abilities from close range to long range on the fly like Guass Barrel, and be able to maintain threat when you have to create a gap, but in long range mode judges can only walk, not run. Similar to anticipation a judge can foresee an incoming attack to dodge it completely or parry at a higher reduction rate, also add that damage taken from enemies activates spikes that can proc additional effects such as paralyze from ice spikes, burn from blaze spikes etc. Defensively, judges can silence and stun ogcd and have a provoke that can't be reversed for several seconds. Please and thank you.

I was think a whole new class that uses chains rather than swords or spears, they can use Heavy armour but also use the chains to block attacks.

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Originally Posted by Jhett_Magnum

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Don't worry man I actually like your idea, but the artwork you picked was so DRK-like that I had to make that joke. I really like the chains on it btw.

I think we need another tank class that actually uses a shield

Templar 1H pike + shield
Viking 1H axe + shield
Something that uses a mace or Warhammer + shield
Something that dual wields shields? >.>

Other than that from a gameplay mechanics type standpoint.
New tank with heavy counter action focus on abilities or reactive abilities in response to various triggers.
One that has a variety of support oriented abilities that buff allies
One that mitigates damage not by buffing itself but by debilitating enemies making them deal less damage.

I don't think I want another tank. At the moment, there's a lot of bitterness because we have three types of tank, but only two tankslots in Savage.

You'd think that would mean just 1/3 of the tanks would be unhappy, but no, the only people who are (mostly) happy with how they are? Paladins.

I'd rather they balance out the current tanks before adding new ones. I think the same thing is happening on the healer forums.

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Originally Posted by Ekimmak

I don't think I want another tank. At the moment, there's a lot of bitterness because we have three types of tank, but only two tankslots in Savage.

You'd think that would mean just 1/3 of the tanks would be unhappy, but no, the only people who are (mostly) happy with how they are? Paladins.

I'd rather they balance out the current tanks before adding new ones. I think the same thing is happening on the healer forums.

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There being balance within a role should never dictate whether a new job can be created for that role. The jobs will never be perfectly balanced and any balance that is achieved will only be fleeting. One needs only look at the current tank situation to realize that. Every expansion will simply unbalance whatever balance was made before due to the increase in level and new abilities or simply bad decisions on the devs part.

As such, it is an unacceptable excuse to use to delay or prevent a new job from being added to these roles. Period.

Awwwyiss—Blue mage-knight with (chained) mace. Job Quests with monster hunting for the monster abilities. Hmm...

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Originally Posted by Ekimmak

I don't think I want another tank. At the moment, there's a lot of bitterness because we have three types of tank, but only two tankslots in Savage.

You'd think that would mean just 1/3 of the tanks would be unhappy, but no, the only people who are (mostly) happy with how they are? Paladins.

I'd rather they balance out the current tanks before adding new ones. I think the same thing is happening on the healer forums.

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And there are 9 dps jobs but only 4 dps slots

If you think one tank has it bad then I would like to point you to MCH, SMN, BLM, DRG and MNK.

http://i.imgur.com/9cRh5np.png

But hey, DPS balance was never a consideration when adding new jobs, was it?

Jobs/classes are never going to be balanced on any MMO no matter how hard game devs try.

One thing in FFXI I kind of feel like would do well on FFXIV to atleast give each job some niche where they excel

FFXI monsters had more defined weaknesses and resistances to elements and damage types including physical damage. Example. Skeleton enemies were resistance to piercing damage but weak to blunt damage. Because of this typical drg and rng would do less damage but mnk would destroy them. Some enemies were just highly resistant to physical or magical damage in general or specific elemental damage.

This really atm wouldn't have too much impact on tanks though aside from only drk and pld having a form of magic damage because the weapon choices on the tanks all deal the same type of physical damage.

The focus I think they need to take is to tweak the game and jobs in general so that each job can atleast have 1 area they can shine at and add more variety to the options in each role.

"But the people who play tanks will still play tanks and the people who play DPS will still play DPS! Nevermind the possibility that the some people may want to play tanks if there was a job more to their liking or that the tank players we are relying on to keep playing tanks might get bored of their meager 3 choices!"

"We don't want to add more tanks because we want to fix tank balance! So we will do that by swapping WAR and PLD around!"

"Besides, people only play DPS so it's only natural that we should make more DPS jobs to appeal to the wider audience! Forget about those tank players we rely on to make DF work at a reasonable rate because they're not worth the investment!"


... Ahem.

The next tank job should be Hell Knight. Just delete WAR and DRK and fuse them together to make Hell Knight. Give me that Berserked Dark Arts Fell Spiller. :^)

of course i would like to suggest my own concept first and foremost.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...st-WIP-and-Art

other than that, i've always thought that a barbarian duel wielding tank has been a long time coming. specifically one that counters enemy attacks with damage or berserker buffs.

blue mage is also cool on paper, but i never really found it all that interesting. mention of it has multiple different cases and i think the most common is a tank that can use magic.

beastmaster as a tank would be a challenge, mostly do to the fact that the devs need to decide on making the summoned beast the aggroed target and risk design flaws as well as lack of beast variety, or have the summoner become the aggroed target and risk design flaws involving risk on the beasts themselves.

a blunt weapon-based tank comes to mind, but then that seems far to similar to WAR, in which they can just give the WAR class blunt-based cosmetics and call it day.

then there's the "holy knight" in which i believe should wield a single one-handed sword. again, a very long time coming to finally get that kind of style instead of just going with PLD or GLD then gaining an "invisible shield" to glamour while still awkwardly having shield-based abilities.

http://img13.deviantart.net/200b/i/2...er-d7bb3m1.jpg

I haven't played FF XI, but any attempt to bring me sword mage is super cool to me. So yeah, Rune Knight. Maybe spear magic, or hammer mage, since people want not swords so bad.

Aesthetically, I'd say a spear and shield weilder would be right up my alley. Maybe a ffta templar design.

If I were building a "pet class" for a Tank, I'd probably design it so the pets are supposed to die. Tank mostly normally, but your "oh poop" button is a pet summon that steals all your agro upon summoning (and gives it back when it dies) maybe it costs health so you aren't getting away scott free, but you can just DPS while the healer tops you off.

I actually would prefer Rune Knight I want a Mage Type tank. Really tired of all the physical jobs and Physical Synergy.

Dancer off tank. Debuffer/buffer and can only be controlled with a ddr mat or gtfo.

I demand to break dance something to death >:|

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Originally Posted by Hoodcat

Dancer off tank. Debuffer/buffer and can only be controlled with a ddr mat or gtfo.

I demand to break dance something to death >:|

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And while they're out it they can retool the existing BRD into ranger and make a bard class based on music that requires using rockband instruments >.>

I'd really like to see some sort of magic based counter tank... which would work well for a Blue Mage concept; absorbing / observing enemy attacks and then being able to do various attacks, defensive moves (shields, % mitigation) and support abilities (heals / buffs) based on the combination of absorb type (offensive, defensive, support) and attack (single target, AoE, buff / debuff, etc.). The skill ceiling (due to knowledge) would be high, but it would be a very adaptable tank, able to bring a lot of utility to a party.

As far as weapons go, I'd like to see another tank with a shield. Also, being magic based they could perhaps use wands, or some sort of focus, and have a slight longer range (e.g. 10y) than a typical melee.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

And while they're out it they can retool the existing BRD into ranger and make a bard class based on music that requires using rockband instruments >.>

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id be down for a rockband/guitar hero type controller harp :p

Charioteer. Able to equip 3 weapons at once.

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Originally Posted by Jhett_Magnum

Charioteer. Able to equip 3 weapons at once.

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Charioteer if talking about the job from bravely second wouldn't really be a tank since it equipped extra weapons on its armor slots instead of armor XD

I'm actually digging the idea of a "Beastmaster" type of role, maybe not call it that per say, but has animal instincts and abilities that reference said beasts. Rather than actually has a beast summon, it would be similar to the ninja's ability (no idea what its called) where the player jumps on a frog, the beast master (or whatever it would be called) would temporarily transform into said beast, say a lion and preform a slashing ability.

There would be different "beast forms" or stances that the tank could take, for example;

Turtle transformation/stance or for a defensive buff/parry/absorbtion, (there would obviously be other GCD's for damage mitigation)
Lion transformation/stance for a slashing debuff/dot/high potency hit,
Cactar transformation/stance which could add multiple debuffs

Each rotation the tank would use a simple rotation, like 1 2 3 which would increase enmity, potency, mp regn or whatever, but each ability would have a separate effect when under a specific transformation. Each cool down of the transformation/stances would be on a 10 second or so cool down and as a finisher type move, similar to the Samurai you would preform a split second transform into a different beast, which could preform a version of all 3 stances combined, but on a longer cool down.

You could also have a finisher for each transformation/stance too, which again, similar to other jobs would preform a higher potency version of said stance rather than just combining all 3 stances at once.

So a rotation could go something like.

1 2 3
1 2 3 (4 5 6 - for whatever transformation/stance)
1 2 3 (3 with added effects)
1 2 3 7 (finisher)

I'm also feeling for armour it could be cloth based rather than full metal suits and weapons should be 2 handed.

Just an idea.

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Originally Posted by Ekimmak

I don't think I want another tank. At the moment, there's a lot of bitterness because we have three types of tank, but only two tankslots in Savage.

You'd think that would mean just 1/3 of the tanks would be unhappy, but no, the only people who are (mostly) happy with how they are? Paladins.

I'd rather they balance out the current tanks before adding new ones. I think the same thing is happening on the healer forums.

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

There being balance within a role should never dictate whether a new job can be created for that role. The jobs will never be perfectly balanced and any balance that is achieved will only be fleeting. One needs only look at the current tank situation to realize that. Every expansion will simply unbalance whatever balance was made before due to the increase in level and new abilities or simply bad decisions on the devs part.

As such, it is an unacceptable excuse to use to delay or prevent a new job from being added to these roles. Period.

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There is ALWAYS a DPS who is OP/above the rest.
There is ALWAYS a DPS who is the worst, and at the bottom.
So long as 8 of them are roughly ok, the top 2 or bottom 2 arent as big of a deal.
But when there is only 3 DPS, then everyone would be flipping their tops.

Throw in 8 more tanks, and we'd see the same reaction to tanks, as we see towards DPS.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

Charioteer if talking about the job from bravely second wouldn't really be a tank since it equipped extra weapons on its armor slots instead of armor XD

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Your parry rate will be so high you won't even notice :p

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Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon

There is ALWAYS a DPS who is the worst, and at the bottom.

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And there will always be a tank and Healer that are the worst and at the bottom. The overall number of jobs in the role matter little and should still never be used as an excuse to exclude the notion of adding fresh new jobs to those roles.

Those roles make up vital positions in a tightly trinity based game and the not insignificant % of players who play those roles (close to 50%) deserve variety and shiny new jobs as well.

No other mmo has used role job balance as an excuse to not create certain role jobs. Even WoW has consistently added new tank jobs despite its constant absolutely horrendous class balance at all times.

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Originally Posted by Mekhana

SE can't handle 3 much less four. Instead of adding new jobs they should branch off current ones. Like Paladin into Holy Knight and SCH into Time Mage for instance. It might not even be possible with engine/server limitations but it would be pretty cool.

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AST is the Time Mage (Gravity, multiple time-based buff extenders, Comet/Meteor-like attacks).

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Originally Posted by jstamos

AST is the Time Mage (Gravity, multiple time-based buff extenders, Comet/Meteor-like attacks).

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Yoshi P said Time mage was almost considered for SB. I imagine they would have changed the BLMs lv 3 limit break to Ultima and TIM would have gotten Meteor.

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Originally Posted by Jhett_Magnum

TIM would have gotten Meteor.

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Wait, I thought you were talking about Time Mage not Enchanter.

http://johnwargo.com/images/stories/...nter-small.jpg

i wish the next tank will be defender which can equip a tower shield, not a kite shield like paladin, and can flail or 1 hand spear/halberb weapon

his skill will focus on weaken enemy and reflect damage

Blue Mage with clubs and eclectic spells. Or.....Legatus with Gunblades and magitek support.

There were actually rumors flying around way back when that Musketeer was going to be a tank.

That'd fulfill Yoshida's prophecy of (loosely quoted) "Now that most iconic FF jobs are in we can make something new and unique to XIV" and that the next job set will be tanks and healers.

Inquisitor
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/51/33/b4/5...al-fantasy.jpg

Mace/Crossbow offhand

I imagine the guild quests will be heavily based on ff7s "Turks". We got Jesse Biggs and Wedge.. so let's see Reno, Rude, Cissnei and Tseung.

Might make a mock build if I get enough likes.

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Inquisitor

Mace/Crossbow offhand

I imagine the guild quests will be heavily based on ff7s "Turks". We got Jesse Biggs and Wedge.. so let's see Reno, Rude, Cissnei and Tseung.

Might make a mock build if I get enough likes.

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Interesting.

What would be the surrounding lore / expansion concept, and how would it differentiate itself from the current 3 tanks.

Lemme fix this real fast

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Originally Posted by Jhett_Magnum

Judge**
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/51/33/b4/5...al-fantasy.jpg

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Originally Posted by 347SPECTRE

Lemme fix this real fast

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Oh I do want the judge class, but lore wise it'd be a nightmare to implement.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

I hate to be a Debbie-downer here, but it will never happen - because 'Judge' is actually what SE's Game Masters (GMs) are. Their unique equipment (which only GMs can gain and equip) is even literally called 'Judge gear' and cannot be gained or equipped by players.

Between that and the fact that Garlean military officers are called 'Legatus' (which essentially is the same thing as FFTAs/FFXII's Judges), I can safely say you will never see Judge as a player class I'm sorry to say.

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Interesting.

What would be the surrounding lore / expansion concept, and how would it differentiate itself from the current 3 tanks.

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I don't want to over shadow other submissions on this thread so I'll make another thread about it under certain conditions.

Next tank job should be Magitek Pilot using a Magitek Armor unit to tank. Clean and simple, everything story wise already makes sense. We have access to the blue prints and several NPCs that know how to repair and build them, the Skysteel forge is able to make the same or better parts, Cid and Nero are allied giving us access to the best technological minds and Nero was even part of the Magitek army. There are a million ways to make that a good tank and a good way to introduce a AOE stun/taunt with Pulse Wave. TP heavy tank. "Shield Oath" would be the same or similar to being in a Magitek Armor and on foot they would be something closer to a MCH but highly reduced defense. Or even do something unique and allow it to queue as a DPS out of armor and tank in armor. It wouldn't be the first time a job has been hybrid with the flip of a switch, (Arcanist), and yet it works.

Unlocking this job in my opinion would require obtaining the Magitek Armor mount from the main story making it a lv50 unlock and keeps it lore consistent.

How about Barbarian, like in Diablo 2/3?

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Originally Posted by Shokumoku

How about Barbarian, like in Diablo 2/3?

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So Warrior?

These ideas are great, except for the part where they are already flavours ingame.

Barbarian = Berserker = Warrior (Angry Rage Guy)

Inquisitor = Crusader = Paladin (Holy Arrogant guy)

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Originally Posted by FallenWings

Inquisitor = Crusader = Paladin (Holy Arrogant guy)

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Your thinking of templars. Inquisitors are Lawbringers that are charged with duties from a higher power and most of the time it's a church.

Imo as Paladin(Holy) is the opposite Dark Knight(Dark). Inquisitor(Law) stands to be the opposite of Warrior(Defiance).

Think of them like judges, but just named different to be able to fit in the lore.

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Your thinking of templars. Inquisitors are Lawbringers that are charged with duties from a higher power and most of the time it's a church.

Imo as Paladin(Holy) is the opposite Dark Knight(Dark). Inquisitor(Law) stands to be the opposite of Warrior(Defiance).

Think of them like judges, but just named different to be able to fit in the lore.

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Well, even Inquisitor has previous connotations in the lore so the name might need to be different from that point as well.

I've been working on my own concept that falls within the same vein as an inquisitor/judge though one that is further removed from looking like a Paladin such as the picture you posted.