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Please keep the fight as it is. It's actually a very fun fight and you can do it too if you try more, as people suggested you could make friends or ask ppl advises some even offered to help you. Don't give up so easily, the final boss of an expansion has to be this way. As people's ilvl increase the fight will be easier naturally maybe you just need more time and practice.

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Originally Posted by Kling-Klang

If you can just punch the final boss's face in, it would not feel very rewarding, now would it?

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I see your point and agree with it.
However... Now that I think about it, it would have felt very satisfying if the Zenos fight would have been a solo duty where we pretty much beat him to pulp. I mean, warrior of light, slayer of primals and dragons, gets beaten multiple times by a pompous long-haired dude. That final payback @lvl 70 would have been epic if we could have just given him the Hulk meets Loki -treatment.

"Puny god"

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Originally Posted by Kengi_Stargazer

Please lower the difficulty of the ffxiv royal menagerie trial. I spent over 12 hours non stop with several parties of all kinda trying to clear this content however its simply Impossible to beat unless I spent Millions in Gil to buy a clear from people who managed to beat it. This game has been a great thing to bring people together and have fun but this latest trial fight has made the game impossible to play I even tried beating it with the 140+ member FC I am part of and simply It just cannot be beaten even with understanding of all the mechanics of the fight he deals far too much damage repeatedly. Please Lower this difficulty or make trials like this completely optional and no longer part of the story line as its ruining a game I have played since 1.0

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It doesn't need to be nerfed. Once you know what's going on the fight's not hard. Like most fights, it's a dance. "He deals far too much damage". Sounds like you need better healers to be honest. I'd honestly say it was stressful my first and second time as a healer, but now that I know what's going on it's not hard. It just requires you to actually pay attention.

Please please I know there is an answer to this. Have a take my money sub option where they pay money dont play the game.

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Originally Posted by Kengi_Stargazer

Please lower the difficulty of the ffxiv royal menagerie trial. I spent over 12 hours non stop with several parties of all kinda trying to clear this content however its simply Impossible to beat unless I spent Millions in Gil to buy a clear from people who managed to beat it. This game has been a great thing to bring people together and have fun but this latest trial fight has made the game impossible to play I even tried beating it with the 140+ member FC I am part of and simply It just cannot be beaten even with understanding of all the mechanics of the fight he deals far too much damage repeatedly. Please Lower this difficulty or make trials like this completely optional and no longer part of the story line as its ruining a game I have played since 1.0

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Get good hai.

Something I noticed is people go into this trial without having done their level 70 job quests. Not only are these people missing parts of their kit that could really help in that fight (PLD's wings which negate damage, BLM's Foul which works like a charm during the adds phase, to name two examples), but are very likely effectively under-geared as chances are they didn't get a full set of 300 pieces out of Ala Mhigo after that one MSQ run, and on top of that are missing the 290 gear from the job quests.

Here's what I suggest - raise the ilvl requirement. Not a lot, just enough so that people won't be able to access this trial without getting those 290 pieces from the job quest, which also guarantees they'll have those extra skills. Or outright lock that fight behind a requirement that you did the level 70 job quest for the job you're queueing as. Because I think, it might be just me, but I think this fight may have been balanced with those skills in mind.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

Something I noticed is people go into this trial without having done their level 70 job quests. Not only are these people missing parts of their kit that could really help in that fight (PLD's wings which negate damage, BLM's Foul which works like a charm during the adds phase, to name two examples), but are very likely effectively under-geared as chances are they didn't get a full set of 300 pieces out of Ala Mhigo after that one MSQ run, and on top of that are missing the 290 gear from the job quests.

Here's what I suggest - raise the ilvl requirement. Not a lot, just enough so that people won't be able to access this trial without getting those 290 pieces from the job quest, which also guarantees they'll have those extra skills. Because I think, it might be just me, but I think this fight may have been balanced with those skills in mind.

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The max you can be is like 285 with the 290 pieces with the lv68 pieces as well.

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Originally Posted by Ferrasper

The max you can be is like 285 with the 290 pieces with the lv68 pieces as well.

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Which is why I ninja-edited my post to lock the trial behind the level 70 job quests, which in hindsight is a better idea.

I'll be honest, I only tried 5 times with a random group and we wiped every time but we got closer each time until we got locked out. Like people said above, it's just paying attention and learning the fight. It is hard, but it is very doable. I know it's hard to do it with random groups because a lot of them don't know the fight or simply can't react fast enough but a pf group may be more willing to stick it out until you get it.

Guy posts this 4 days ago with a complaint about a fight.

Doesn't come back for four days whatsoever to reply.

Methinks I smell trollbait and people are biting hard.

Just don't bother replying beyond my reply and let this bad attempt at baiting people to argue about nerf/non nerf die.

Fight is fine. It's a test to make you pay attention. Get to it.

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Originally Posted by KrenianKandos

Guy posts this 4 days ago with a complaint about a fight.

Doesn't come back for four days whatsoever to reply.

Methinks I smell trollbait and people are biting hard.

Just don't bother replying beyond my reply and let this bad attempt at baiting people to argue about nerf/non nerf die.

Fight is fine. It's a test to make you pay attention. Get to it.

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I think he cleared the fight and he is ashamed to come back here.

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Originally Posted by Inuk9

I think he cleared the fight and he is ashamed to come back here.

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Dunno. When I see someone who joins July 2017 and complains about a fight and states they've been there since 1.0, either they really didn't know a forum existed, or they never were social people and needed to post something which in 1.0, people were far more cozy than they are now and were more of a community, or the obvious complaint for someone who posts: Trollbait.

I'm cynical enough to think he's just trying to get people to bite hard on something that's been a lightning rod topic since people have gotten to the fight.

Only had 1 wipe, it was not that bad. People need to do two things:

1. Communicate.
2. Learn from mistakes and adapt.

One shotted it, but I did watch a video to get an idea. Yeah, you gotta pay attention in this fight way more than Susano, placing those cross aoe's and puddles is crucial and I've seen folks not even try and that makes it hard on everyone.

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Originally Posted by KrenianKandos

Dunno. When I see someone who joins July 2017 and complains about a fight and states they've been there since 1.0, either they really didn't know a forum existed, or they never were social people and needed to post something which in 1.0, people were far more cozy than they are now and were more of a community, or the obvious complaint for someone who posts: Trollbait.

I'm cynical enough to think he's just trying to get people to bite hard on something that's been a lightning rod topic since people have gotten to the fight.

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Check his Lodestone for more contradictions. Pretty sure it's a troll.

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Originally Posted by Squigley

I see your point and agree with it.
However... Now that I think about it, it would have felt very satisfying if the Zenos fight would have been a solo duty where we pretty much beat him to pulp. I mean, warrior of light, slayer of primals and dragons, gets beaten multiple times by a pompous long-haired dude. That final payback @lvl 70 would have been epic if we could have just given him the Hulk meets Loki -treatment.

"Puny god"

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I'm pretty sure that he was Resonant the entire time, and he had the Ame-no-Murakumo for the second and third fights. Elidibus referred to him as "a valuable test subject," so he was at least somehow superhuman from the first.

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Originally Posted by Lilseph

Check his Lodestone for more contradictions. Pretty sure it's a troll.

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The Lodestone is is a double-edged sword, though:

People screw with alts from time to time and are anal enough not to post on their mains cause they don't want to be bothered and judged by it.

So while I look and see that he has 69 classes and it could be his main, I tend to be less judgemental about the Lodestone stuff.

I smell out BS on forums a lot easier by just looking into their history. First time poster, didn't register since 2017....whole lot of red flags, honestly.

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Originally Posted by KrenianKandos

The Lodestone is is a double-edged sword, though:

People screw with alts from time to time and are anal enough not to post on their mains cause they don't want to be bothered and judged by it.

So while I look and see that he has 69 classes and it could be his main, I tend to be less judgemental about the Lodestone stuff.

I smell out BS on forums a lot easier by just looking into their history. First time poster, didn't register since 2017....whole lot of red flags, honestly.

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Using an alt is also a red flag, in my opinion. They hide "themselves" for the purpose of trolling. In this case, it was a "throw a stone and run" kind of post, knowing how the community reacts to this type of requests. On the other hand, it serves a positive purpose, to let SE know how people enjoy "harder" content, as it's the general opinion about it.

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Originally Posted by Lilseph

Using an alt is also a red flag, in my opinion. They hide "themselves" for the purpose of trolling. In this case, it was a "throw a stone and run" kind of post, knowing how the community reacts to this type of requests. On the other hand, it serves a positive purpose, to let SE know how people enjoy "harder" content, as it's the general opinion about it.

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Bingo.

There's multiple ways of noticing just who's a shitposter and who's legit.

This is a shitposter. First reaction I have on these forums is literally scour the thread and see if the user posted back. THEN, if it does, I start looking to see if they wanna keep just pushing buttons. People who log on, post one thing, then never reply: Shitposts. Essentially.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

Some of these big fights need to let you pull the camera out further. I mean what's the point creating these big bosses if you can't fully see them

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You can adjust the camera angle in settings. By default the camera is set so your character is in the middle of the screen when fully zoomed out. I have mine set so she's about a quarter nearer the bottom of the screen. Giving me better views of what's ahead.

Please do not make the content easier. I'm playing with a friend and we are currently still going through Heavensward content, and every trial or whatever we have to face in the MSQ is just completely and utterly destroyed by people who are just there to carry their own friends.

By the time we reach the end of Stormblood content, I'm sure people will be better geared, and more will be used to the fight, enough that it should be a fair fight, don't make it easier or we'll just stand in a corner, again, with nothing to do but wait until this is over...

Difficulty is fine as it is.

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Originally Posted by Vallamaria

Oh, look. It's the obligatory "I can't stand having content that isn't super easy! So I demand you nerf it so I can faceroll it rather than learning how to get better!" post that shows up every expansion. Not exactly unexpected. Seeing as bads still insist on refusing to learn how to play the game or work with others. A problem only made even worse by newer players who join the game and immediately level jump and story skip straight to Stormblood.

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Don't forget, these SAME players will then complain about content being too easy and it's boring if SE listen to these kinds of... "people."

The fight is definitely challenging, it requires you to pay attention and execute mechanics perfectly, taking down adds, staying mobile and popping cooldowns while doing mechanics and using your utility. I legit enjoy this fight.

That being said, it's too difficult for an MSQ level group quest and does deserve a nerf.

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Originally Posted by Khalithar

The fight is definitely challenging, it requires you to pay attention and execute mechanics perfectly, taking down adds, staying mobile and popping cooldowns while doing mechanics and using your utility. I legit enjoy this fight.

That being said, it's too difficult for an MSQ level group quest and does deserve a nerf.

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Why can't MSQ content be challenging?

I'd hate for this fight to be nerfed! Honestly, it's tough, but it's incredible exhilarating (especially healing through it).

I've found that sometimes dealing with the DF party you get paired with can be harder than simply learning the fight and progressing. Not for any skill reasons, but just because it seems like enough people have earned clears at this point to start instantly bailing after the first wipe because they don't want to deal with fresh players.

The expansion is still technically brand new, and this is a story trial (not even EX), but some groups don't want to deal with anyone goofing even if it's their first time. The attitude I've encountered seems to treat Shin as if this is an EX primal- know the guide, know the fight, mess up and you're not worth the time. The thing is...it isn't an EX, even if the demands placed on the players are similar.

My personal experience with this below the cut:

Been taking my time with the MSQ and just got to Shinryuu this morning. I've done EX primals and some raiding content, so picking up the mechanics wasn't too much of a hassle once I knew what to look for.

Tried to clear it and had two failed DF instances where people just up and left even though the party was close to clearing. Both of those instances also contained the same troll bard who would queue in and then immediately run off the ledge before Shin had even been pulled. They'd lie there dead regardless of rez's, or rez and then run off the edge again. We asked them to join us in doing the duty (no response) and eventually vote kicked both times, but then people would leave en mass either immediately after or the moment a wipe occurred. If they didn't, and we did a couple more runs, everybody would just vote to end the encounter even if we had been close to clearing. I ended up reporting the bard, but it wasn't just that one player contributing to the uphill battle.

I ran two more times, one that got cut short because there were a bunch of new players and everyone immediately bailed and another that went well and was fought hard, but that ended when a couple people had to run to work.

Overall, I think this is such a hard instance because it demands that players work together to overcome the mechanics and damage. Everybody needs to be maximizing theirs skillsets and executing mechanics to make it through, but it's a learning process. You can definitely do it and it's amazing once you do.

So, I guess my opinion isn't that the fight needs to be nerfed, but that people going into the fight need to nerf their expectations of it being a quick or easy clear. Everybody should try to go into it with an open mind and a willingness to just take what comes and try to make it work.

Queued into it via duty finder. Our party wiped twice and then downed him on the third time. The fight isnt actually hard. Just always be ready to move. If you know the fight explain it to your party.

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Originally Posted by Braneric

Why can't MSQ content be challenging?

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Because of the average player in this game. Note that I'm not calling for nerfs or anything, just pointing out facts.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...rd_for_people/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._like/cqdkem7/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ayers_will_be/

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Originally Posted by Braneric

Why can't MSQ content be challenging?

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That's why I run ex primals and savage mode, for the challenge. MSQ should be casual very easy to easy content for the casual players that won't touch difficult content. Leave the raid mechanics in raids and keep MSQ 4man parties or soloable only.

For the record I one shot shinryu the first time I did it with 7 new players, again, I'm fine with the mechanics and the difficulty, but it shouldn't be in the MSQ.

Nope this is fine for an ending MSQ. It is a nice challenge but not impossible like people claim. Even if people die multiple times you can still beat it. I know because it happened to me. I didn't know anything, had ok gear, and died multiple times but we still cleared it on my first run and I was a healer. You don't have to play perfectly to beat it. You just have to move a lot and pay attention. This is the right level of difficulty because it is punishing but even if you suck or new, the group can basically carry you to victory.

Stuck on this fight for four days now. DPS queues take up to 50 minutes, which is then followed by a group that keeps wiping, usually the healers die and then its just downhill from there.
The fight and mechanics may be well thought out and fun with a good group, but with your standard random group in duty finder that just does not get better and wipes 4-5 times before half the group quits just kills the entire fun and took out all excitement I had to finish the main storyline. :(
If you work all week and only have a few hours every evening to play, wiping endlessly on a main story fight is just demotivating. I feel like I can do the mechanics in my sleep already but everyone just keeps dying.

Please do as Thordan and make this harder. Kplzthnx SE. You NAILED making this fight.

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Originally Posted by Buttons

Stuck on this fight for four days now. DPS queues take up to 50 minutes, which is then followed by a group that keeps wiping, usually the healers die and then its just downhill from there.
The fight and mechanics may be well thought out and fun with a good group, but with your standard random group in duty finder that just does not get better and wipes 4-5 times before half the group quits just kills the entire fun and took out all excitement I had to finish the main storyline. :(
If you work all week and only have a few hours every evening to play, wiping endlessly on a main story fight is just demotivating. I feel like I can do the mechanics in my sleep already but everyone just keeps dying.

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take charge and tell people what they're screwing up. if you just expect everyone to be able to do everything without explanation, you're gonna have a bad time.

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Originally Posted by Kyt

take charge and tell people what they're screwing up. if you just expect everyone to be able to do everything without explanation, you're gonna have a bad time.

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I did, told the tanks to stack for akh mon, told the group not to forget waterfall. We had one run today where we got to 29% when both healers messed up, dropped dead and we wiped. After that each attempt was worse than the last and the group wiped on adds. -.-

The fight isn't hard if mechanics are followed correctly. Honestly if it's nerfed that'd only help the idea that the game's too dumbed down.

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Originally Posted by Buttons

I did, told the tanks to stack for akh mon, told the group not to forget waterfall. We had one run today where we got to 29% when both healers messed up, dropped dead and we wiped. After that each attempt was worse than the last and the group wiped on adds. -.-

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Open a PF and see if you can't get people to fill it up. I'd certainly be happy to help, but it appears that you and I are on different Data Centers.

Cross post from Dungeon forum

To the people having trouble with RM take heart - it took me 11 groups but i finally got it done (healer)

1. 2 wipes in phase 1 tank left
2. 3 wipes in phase 2 vote abandon
3. 4 wipes in phase 1/2 (2/2) vote abandon
4. 3 wipes in phase 2 vote abandon
5. 2 wipes in phase 1 tank left
6. 1 wipe in phase 1 tank left
7. first tank dc'ed then me (1 attempt)
8. 3 wipes in phase 2 (all under 10%) vote abandon
9. 3 wipes in phase 1/2 (2/1) vote abandon
10. 6 wipes in phase 1/2 (3/3) vote abandon
11. succes on 1st attempt

You'll get there eventually.

But I must say that I am relived it is finally over. 28 attempts (not counting the dc)

Make it harder.
If after 15 wipes people still don't understand what's going or die on the same place over and over again, then they should ask for clears (or buy them). Or google it.

2 hours dying against Shinryu. Perhaps better I try to catch more gear 300 in Ala Mhigo (I only have weapon and 1 acessory), or to wait Square nerf that. Or both lol

Anyway, I am noob against aoe spam >.<

please no nerfing ... it's actually fun to have something challenging