Rate the new PvP system from 1 to 10

2/10

Played ~50-80 games since 4.0 released The new traits are stupid.
It's too watered down for me. I can understand revamping the battle system for PvE but for Player vs Player, as in Human vs Human, shouldn't reaction time and real skill take precedence over HERE HIT 3 BUTTONS FOR THE NEXT 14 MINUTES. I'm not even enjoying myself in the mode anymore, but I play it anyway cause "Dat DPS 55 minute queue"

There's no diversity anymore and what got changed is horrifically unbalanced. Unmend on DK? Did anyone look at that? Removing sprint forcing everyone except Samurai (that shoulder dash) to use Jolt? Gee thanks for forcing me to "choose" 2 skills from that pool. Adding 2 new DPS classes and giving EXP bonus in FL? I wonder what that's gonna do to all my lovely healers who I play with (One love, Greenbook) it couldn't possibly just logjam every game with 72 DPS/Tanks could it? Oh--ooo-hhhh

10/10 Killing on Ninja is like cutting cheese with a lightsaber. Skilled players have to play around timing, the weaker players don't have to think too hard about what buttons to press. It's bringing everyone towards the middle line. I'm sure people loved running in with all their buffs and cool downs to blow and sure I miss having access to all my move sets, but I think SE made the right move. Especially since it's a casual mmo, and ya know... casual pvp right?

i like how more has been put into abilities for kills. not limit breaks. i have wayyyyyyyyyy more fun. its great

2/10
I don't like how streamlined it is. I feel as if SE is trying to lower the skill ceiling. You could have solo queue players murderizing 2-3+ people at once if they knew what they were doing. Well-coordinated groups were able to pound entire matches, and good teamwork could carry a group no matter how hard RNG screwed them.

Now, it's all about burst and quick assist targeting, since anyone you target it with is never going to be able to escape from it.

The XP/time bonus you give encourages leechers, when people should be participating for marks, really.

I think they did wrong to reduce the gap between players skills, it was way better before to have the skill levels separated, you could distinguish who belongs to what level of skill, we could still do it now but these changes hurt more those that stay in the middle level of skills like me, those that are not total crap nor total proproprogodlike.

The simplification of the skills are boring, before the matches were really dynamic, not talking about frontline because it is just a big royal rumble show, i'm talking about the feast, it allowed us to make really complex plays.
EXP in pvp no comment, the afkers doubled, 8v8 is like 8 dps vs 8 dps, those that kill faster win (it actually is fun tho). 4v4 rarely pops during preseason.

1. Why would you remove stealth from NIN in PvP? Was the last opportunity for real sneaking instead of being a mudra reset/vuln setup. Also it's a cell phone game now.

Every time a mmo game cancles stealth in pvp 10000000 angles gets wings

Good for the angles but WoW PvP without Rogue would be trash.

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

1. Why would you remove stealth from NIN in PvP? Was the last opportunity for real sneaking instead of being a mudra reset/vuln setup. Also it's a cell phone game now.

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Well they wanted put same amount buttons for every class in pvp and stealth is pretty useless skill in feast after all. It can be nice in frontlines but it would burn one keybind. I dislike that they removed summoners egi from pvp as well, but it would be impossible control pet with 9 job skills. I think main reason for that limited amount keybinds is ps4 and pad users. Ppl have constantly cried how they do not have the space with controller.

for melee dps i will say 1/10 (if that was possible i will have said 0) simply because we have no way to keep attacking a ranged, ranged have a lot of tool for save themself and keep the range, but melee have almost no tool for get close and do anything to them.
worst, the difference of hp... a melee have 12k hp a ranged have 10k.... the ranged have clearly far too much hp... if they leave the skill and balance like it is the ranged need to be pummel down to 8k.

soo far, if you want to do pvp with a melee dps...don't do it!

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

soo far, if you want to do pvp with a melee dps...don't do it!

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I've been grinding to full 70's. 'Goon and Samurai are really the only ones who aren't effected by this, just because of the jump and the dash. But even still...

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Originally Posted by Eskuire

I've been grinding to full 70's. 'Goon and Samurai are really the only ones who aren't effected by this, just because of the jump and the dash. But even still...

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NIN has a teleport, MNK has shoulder tackle (twice). Not sure how you come that conclusion.

For melee dps i will say 10/10 (if that was possible i will have said 12)

Even with what's happening in PvP with frontline and feast I give it a solid 7/10. I love the route they took with the PvP action bar; as well as how the combo system is. It reminds me a lot of how Blade and Soul is and I'm very use to that system. With just the two classes I have WAR and SAM they are both fun! ^_^

I think it's not a bad direction, but I feel like they need to say, "Okay, this is our starting point, time to tweak and adjust from here until we get it to a better place..."

A world PvP zone with its own rewards or something might also be nice...

- 100

because it is imbalanced, removed skills you relied on before and to make matters worse you cant disable - for now - the new pvp hotbar bullshit..
but hey, lets make it more user friendly with rotations combos because ppl are too damn lazy or stupid to press 3 buttons in a row

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

1. Why would you remove stealth from NIN in PvP? Was the last opportunity for real sneaking instead of being a mudra reset/vuln setup. Also it's a cell phone game now.

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It's still there, you just have to utilize it differently. Before you couldn't use stealth in combat. At least now you can, and there are benefits from using it on a 40% or lower target if you build Ninki up before it goes up Kakuremi > Mug > Main Combo > Mug > Main Combo > Hidden > Assassinate > Bhavacakra.

Takes practice but feeling like a Ninja is there i promise. Also Shukuchi will save you from groups if you know how to Katon and teleport out. Especially since Katon/Hyoton/Raiton resets your Shukuchi timer.

0 Melee DPS are useless. Not only is there no CC, but now casters can cast while moving and can melt you while you sprint and use movement abilities? What's the point even? I don't understand it.

Seriously what is their role even supposed to be? Skewer? We definitely don't do enough damage to merit being so handicapped compared to everyone else so I legit don't understand the game design of melee now. Just walk off from our LB and we lose it, heal all you like I can't stop you. Even with the teleport and sprint you can't escape a BLM burning your back on SAM.

Maybe Yoshida just wanted to have a good time on his BLM, because if the goal was to crush melee into oblivion you succeeded.

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Originally Posted by MajisTek

It's still there, you just have to utilize it differently. Before you couldn't use stealth in combat. At least now you can, and there are benefits from using it on a 40% or lower target if you build Ninki up before it goes up Kakuremi > Mug > Main Combo > Mug > Main Combo > Hidden > Assassinate > Bhavacakra.

Takes practice but feeling like a Ninja is there i promise. Also Shukuchi will save you from groups if you know how to Katon and teleport out. Especially since Katon/Hyoton/Raiton resets your Shukuchi timer.

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There's no more tactical use. You can't stealth cap, you can't pretend your camp is empty. You can't scout for the team. You can't bait people off course and vanish. It's just another ability you use in a rotation now. It's not stealth, it's a prerequisite for a debuff and dot.

1/10

From a new-player perspective: I started playing few weeks ago and I'm about to finish vanilla story. I absolutely love classes in ffxiv and I'm having so much fun with the game. Today I had to level from 46-49 to access next main quest so I tried PVP because I'm a huge PVP fan and I was looking forward to it. I was utterly dissapointed, my bard lost almost all his abilities and my whole PVP experience was just pressing 123. I don't know why they decided to prune all the spells, but it makes PVP a boring snoozefest that requires no skill. I would prefer having all my spells just like in PVP (maybe with different numbers for balance)

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

0 Melee DPS are useless. Not only is there no CC, but now casters can cast while moving and can melt you while you sprint and use movement abilities? What's the point even? I don't understand it.

Seriously what is their role even supposed to be? Skewer? We definitely don't do enough damage to merit being so handicapped compared to everyone else so I legit don't understand the game design of melee now. Just walk off from our LB and we lose it, heal all you like I can't stop you. Even with the teleport and sprint you can't escape a BLM burning your back on SAM.

Maybe Yoshida just wanted to have a good time on his BLM, because if the goal was to crush melee into oblivion you succeeded.

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Stick to a tank and have fun.

0/10, would go lower. Its no-skill, no-balance mashfest that every single PvP game I have played does MUCH better. No communication possible, extremely bad balance (there is basically 1 class per role that is strong enough to win, the rest are garbage ) and its ruled by pre-mades because they can get around the stupid chat restriction by being on voice comms.

6/10
Samurai and Ninja both feel about the same and are pretty decent. Samurai's core is the same as non-pvp Samurai. Without mudra combos, Ninja pvp takes a bit to get used to. Monk is just like non-pvp Monk. It needs some reworking to fix it up. Please add a Throw Stone or Air Bullet to Monk. Wind Tackle is our only "range" attack and that's on a 30 sec cooldown.

Instead of pvp traits, I would have preferred it to be a job action switch out. A few actions can be swapped with another to give you customization. Let use Monk for example. You got Form Shift which gives you Grease Lightning OR Meditation which gives you a Chakra. Somersault opens a Chakra OR Axe Kick which give a Grease Lightning instead. Wind Tackle OR Earth Tackle. I understand the concept of making everyone playing the class the same but if you don't like how your favorite class plays, you don't want to play. You do need some customization and not the barely noticeable traits

Thought about this for awhile before posting in here and I tried every job for multiple games as well to try and understand the balance.

The game basically got the moba treatment where each skill is much more important, the cooldowns are shorter, positioning is much more important, and synergy with other players in your group is more important. Anyone complaining should step back and think to themselves how much wasted time was in the original design with things like heavy thrust and disembowel while other things such dps being able to 100% others almost instantly due to random crits is gone as well.

A few things I can say is in frontline melee dps is really hard to play in particular drg since they lose all the work they did if they disengage for too long compared to mnk and nin. Concentration needs to block draw-in and knockback along with all the other CC immunity as well to help reign in the tanks mildly.

7/10 solid foundation w/ room to grow through additional skills/traits.

after tryed a lot feast4vs4 till i reach gold, now i can't get games because there is not enough ranked for me get a pop,
And the result of revamp of the pvp won't change anything.
New players skipp the tutorial. press less button won't change the skill gap between players.
I remember this fact from other games, make things easier from Street Fighter IV to Street Fighter V don't remove the skill gap at all. its a exemple. its not the same game genre but the result is the same.
You can't get the experience, the awareness, just because you have to press less buttons.
especialy when tutorial is skipped.
When some players don't want to learn anything and just want play brainless, push less buttons don't help at all. If you don't want to learn, you learn nothing, say tanks to captain obvious/.
About the balance, i notice this : war is weak, sch broil is overpowered when less pressure happen.
I liked more pvp before SB offcourse, but i think the revamp is not too bad only if se keep promise of tweak the balance between jobs.

-569/10

Saddest excuse for PVP. Solitaire has better PVP mechanics.

One change I did kind of like is the auto-swapping crosshotbar. Before that, I actually had a macro that would reconfig all of that. So that was cool not to have to deal with that.

As far as gameplay? Not sure on the limited amount of abilities. Maybe it would have been nicer if we had all of a job's abilities available, but maybe be able to only group a few together to suit individual playstyles. Whatevs... I can see the current setup getting boring real quick for a lot of folks.

3/5. And mounts are still too damn slow for the larger maps.

One change I did kind of like is the auto-swapping crosshotbar. Before that, I actually had a macro that would reconfig all of that. So that was cool not to have to deal with that.

As far as gameplay? Not sure on the limited amount of abilities. Maybe it would have been nicer if we had all of a job's abilities available, but maybe be able to only group a few together to suit individual playstyles. Whatevs... I can see the current setup getting boring real quick for a lot of folks.

6/10. And mounts are still too damn slow for the larger maps.

Also make it if you set a limit break you don't have to keep changing it each time you change jobs.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Stick to a tank and have fun.

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Honestly DRK feels more like DRG did than DRG.

Fire ice fire ice fire ice. You have infinite mobility. It can kill over time easily. 1000 damage or so each.

PvP System: 8 out 10
Class Balance: 5 out 10

As others have said, it's hard to measure how balanced and good the meta is at the moment but i really like the concept that they went with (removing rng like crits, allowing players to pvp with a class without having it at cap,etc):

For the ideas they followed : 9/10 ( i think they removed a bit too many skills)

8 faster play less waiting for cds classes that cater to differently skill lvls. Would be a 9 if mch and drk werent so troll. >.> Even though I camp bridges as mch cause I like taking a dump on tanks xD.