Those are not really conscious decisions though. It's like describing how you live. Well I have to wake up in the morning... gotta remember to breathe, can't forget that one... eat too. PotD is ridiculously easy and every room looks nigh identical. Gee, I wonder what's in this room, egads, it's the same room again... oh wait, this one has a hole in it, soooo different.Quote:
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Whether you stick with the group or not doesn't even matter either. After all, what's the worst that can happen? You step on a trap? Oh no, so scary, pomander and/or kill them solo big deal. Seriously if there ever was a dungeon where one could watch netflix and beat easily one handed... it's PotD.
Dungeons aren't much better don't get me wrong with it's head straight, fight boss in round room that may or may not have real mechanics (part of SE's brain dead easy design philosophy) but, at least the scenery isn't literally the same room repeated over and over.
Only one dungeon in odd numbered patches
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06-02-2017, 08:27 AMKhaoticsuccubus
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06-02-2017, 08:32 AMMomomiMomiI don't care about the scenery. I'm not there to look at things. I'm there to play.Quote:
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This is my main complaint with dungeons. They're the same thing over and over again with a new coat of paint. Well, just because you made it look pretty and different from the last doesn't mean it plays any differently. -
06-02-2017, 08:49 AMSlogDog
- PotD only gets fun around 170+ and the journey to those floors is mindless drivel, a trap isn't going to make punching enemies in square rooms fun. Dungeons have an admittedly small narrative around them but its something and yes the scenery/atmosphere does make a difference.
- Aquapolis is made fun by the rng elements i'd say that it's their one success side content wise.
- WT is a thinly veiled trick to get people to run old content that they just unsync and kill in under a min.
- Zholes stuff is creepy and her character annoys me, maybe if i had a hard on for cats i'd just "wub" all the precious wecious spew.
- Diadem is deader than WHM, without appropriate rewards (ones you can't just collect in a few runs) and a strangely punishing rng boss fight (the rng is will you have enough people and do they have a few brain cells between them) for a super rng reward didn't add anything neither.
Dungeons while they get old are a much more reliable investment than more casual fluff that lets be fair has a horrible track record. There was a time the game got 3 dungeons a patch, not two and certainly not one.
I'd love to be proven wrong but all these hunts for alternative content for people instead of improving the core game play is misguided. - PotD only gets fun around 170+ and the journey to those floors is mindless drivel, a trap isn't going to make punching enemies in square rooms fun. Dungeons have an admittedly small narrative around them but its something and yes the scenery/atmosphere does make a difference.
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06-02-2017, 08:53 AMMoonlite
What about all those cash shop funds that everyone says goes back into the game? Shouldn't we be getting more not less?
Please remember
1) Diadem
2) Lords Of Verminion
3) PoTD
Both very hit/miss depending on your views. Which would basically be a X.1 X.3 X.5. Is that the content you want to give 3 dungeons up for down from 2.0 which would have been 6. -
06-02-2017, 08:57 AMIromi
I don't mind. I would love meaningful content if it means one less dungeon!
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06-02-2017, 09:05 AMKhaoticsuccubusLets not forget our most beloved alternate content ever added Lords of Verminion. It was just SO popular on release and is played to this day by a wide number of people /s ;PQuote:
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Stop... your going to make me cry TT^TTQuote:
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Ah, good ole naive optimism. This is exactly what people said when they announced they were only making 2 dungeons per patch instead of 3 so they could focus on more content.Quote:
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06-02-2017, 09:19 AMSlogDogI guess i had so much fun playing it I wiped all my memories of it for... reasons? I really did forget LoV completely and i even have the Shallow-eye rewarded from it, its like my favourite minion. So yes, LoV left a serious impact and if we get more content like that bring on one dungeon! /sQuote:
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06-02-2017, 09:22 AMLeanna
Well, atleast we just need to do one dungeon to get the recolored armors from 3.X!
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06-02-2017, 09:24 AMHitsuzen
I would totally trade dungeons for blitzball.
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06-02-2017, 09:32 AMNirokenI thought they used cash shop funds to fund the development for more cash shop items.Quote:
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06-02-2017, 10:12 AMBourne_EndeavorIt's quite telling how poorly received LoV was when we have the Make it Rain event going on and no one bothers with it on Balmung; the largest server in the game. Saying they missed the mark on this one would be a gross understatement. Which is why I'm forever nervous about Blitzball.Quote:
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06-02-2017, 11:43 AMRaizeGraymalkin
I'm shocked to see people actually defend SE on this one. Their track record is painfully average, with "new" type content. They are going all in on Eureka it feels like. We know we'll probably gonna get Blitzball, which will be a catastrophic failure and we could've gotten dungeons instead. The expansion itself looks fantastic, but the road map going forward is super troubling and worrying. Also a lot of casuals like their dungeons and now they only get one? And QOL changes are now a major feature? Really? I'm really hoping some stuff got lost in translation or something, because basically what I'm hearing/seeing is "hey you're gonna get less content then before please look forward to it".
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06-02-2017, 11:47 AMThunda_Cat_SMASH
Dungeons in this game aren't as fun as other things. My personal favorites are the 24 man's and the trials, as well as PotD. Actual dungeons? Pull everything+AoE. No thanks, I'll pass on that unengaging play style.
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06-02-2017, 12:23 PMMomomiMomiI for one simply don't like the dungeons. They're terrible and can barely even be called content. I quite simply don't do them because they don't interest me at all. You're still going to be getting an average of 1.5 dungeon per patch, so that seems fine to me. You're not losing that type of content if you like it.Quote:
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06-02-2017, 12:43 PMBourne_EndeavorIt's less a defense and more a willingness to see what they do come up with. Dungeons are little more than a chore half the time. I like a handful of them, however they are all mindless. If something better comes from this, I'm open to it. On the other hand, if they do fumble again, we all can voice our discontent or simply unsub. After all, the best way to force change when companies screw up is to stop giving them money. They don't like that. :pQuote:
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06-02-2017, 12:51 PMChewy2nd
I mean, honestly, trading 3 dungeons (maybe 2, if 4.55 has a dungeon) for more experimental content is a no brainer, sure Diadem crashed and burned, but at least they tried to make something new there (also, it's timing in the expansion kind rendered it pointless anyway). On the other hand, you get Palace of the Dead, which is a fantastic piece of content and feels pretty integral to leveling now. I don't think I'll really be that bothered losing 2 or 3 dungeons, since, I just daydream through them anyway after a week or two. Basically at the moment, the only variety I feel a second dungeon brings is a new background. In any case, I believe Deep Dungeon will be expanded on throughout the expansion anyway, which is a dungeon in of itself, just with a different twist.
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06-02-2017, 01:10 PMKhaoticsuccubus
You all... talk about how bad and boring dungeons are... but praise PotD so much... I just... can't even...
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06-02-2017, 01:17 PMTheRealMadruck
So let me understand this clearly......we go from 3 dungeons per patch in ARR to 2 per patch in HW then to 1 per odd patch in Stormblood. Does anyone not see the pattern here? They are reducing the content we receive every expansion! So if this pattern holds in 5.0......we will then get no dungeons in 5.1, then 2 dungeons in 5.2, then none again in 5.3 and so on, so on. Now for all those that say "O but they stated we would get new content during those odd patches except the dungeon." Guess what, we already do!
Its called 24 mans, its called Diadem, its called POTD....all these things were added during odd # patches in HW with still 2 dungeons. Now, they are doing the same minus as I stated....less content. So SE basically decided to make less content for their playerbase since they want to do less work......got ya! I also understand you may not care or you hate dungeons....some of us don't. I personally cannot see it any other way except wanting to do less work for the same amount of money! -
06-02-2017, 06:23 PMVoltyblast
I said a few pages ago that I wouldn't mind having less dungeon for better content, but I do have a question: WHAT content? What is their new content they boast about? What new content are they planning? I am legit concerned about this because I don't really recall much being told beside Eureka (I think) and maybe some minor additions, but have they actually mentioned what the new content will be? How can I get hyped without knowing what we're getting?
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06-02-2017, 07:30 PMAlleoWell I did like the idea behind PotD but I agree that its not that much fun. With a four man group you should have no problems from 1-100 and everything after that is not reachable with pugs, so you need three other people that all need time too. The only challenge the palace gave me was with solo play. I was killed on 120 and found out that everything after 150/180 is not doable solo..so it kinda killed that content for me too. x) I do say that its still better than Diadem and LoV but really I also dont think that people would run it that much if it hadnt that good exp.Quote:
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But in a way we need content that people are willing to run without some really big carrot on the stick. (You will need one but PotD really overdoes it with its carrots)
In a way thanks to the track record of them I dont feel good about the information..because they simply did not show me that they are able to create long lasting content. Also after all the cash shop sales and other stuff one would believe that they are able to do more and not less content..I mean they someone managed to do all that in ARR and yet now where they should have more experience with the genre too and everything, we will get less?
LoV could have been so much better. Just make it like pokemon and not this stuff. This would have made me as a pet collector really happy and I could have seen myself doing lots of this stuff. Yet I only did LoV long enough to get the prince pet and I just cant see myself doing it again.
Chocobo racing and other stuff in the golden saucer are fun but sadly are neglected. No new racing track for example and you will have no chance in the challenges if you dont have a great chocobo.
They killed TT for me with all their RNG and unfair cards for NPCs. You need just one hell of a time to collect them all (and luck). Also they did nothing against the cheating in the tournaments.
Aquapolis is a nice little content and one of their best ones imo but its still over quite fast depending on luck. I wish that they would have done more with it. Maybe some kind of riddle to go against the RNG or instead of kicking people out you would get harder monsters and which each fail you will get less of a chance to survive this. They could have decreased the loot a little and only put the big ones in the last chest but without that much RNG on top of RNG people would have reached the end more often.
Still they either have content that is over way to fast thus does not help against feeling bored at endgame (like Aquapolis, Khloe and Zhloe) or they have content that you need to do all the time to get everything (like TT or even PVP). I hope that they will find a way to have content that is grindy but not so much that you will never get everything if you dont play it all the time. At the same time it should not be overfilled with that much loot which will destroy the market too. Really I feel like a trash can after some PotD runs. Also it would be nice not to have to run the content because it has the best weapon or armor but because its fun and a nice way to pass your time if you want to take a break from the other stuff.
I know that this is probably not easy to do but if they want to create meaningful and long lasting content they need to create something like that.
In the end I want to use more than one aspect of the game. I want to fight, gather, craft, do some side content like gold saucer and more. I dont want to have to put in hours of running the same dungeon or fighting against an awful NPC just to get one TT card..so please SE dont create content with people in your mind that will only run that content and nothing else. You are a more casual game, a theme park, so please let people ride more than one attraction and not having to focus on one part to get everything. I know that this might be bad for people that only care about one aspect of the game but those will go even through the most grindy content really fast.
Also please dont forget your old content like chocobo racing. You dont need to recreate the wheel every time. Sometimes its already helping if you add to your existing content or make it better. -
06-02-2017, 07:43 PMCaedemSanguis
I think they are making one dungeon per odd number patch, because of the super savage turn every odd number patch, beside all the other content
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06-02-2017, 07:46 PMAirgetIf SE paid me, I"d work to redesign that game, it doesn't even need that much. The issue with it is bloat. Heard this from a video earlier but it reminded me of a thought I had way back. So if you ever played a TCG, like Pokemon, Yugioh, MGT, imagine if you had to make a deck and you were given 10 sets with 100 cards in them each, then told that you only need to make a deck of 40 and you can use doubles of certain cards but to also be mindful of card restrictions. This is pretty much what LoV did, it was like, got the minion? Cool you can use it. If they reeled it back and added a second requirement to use certain minions while also putting a limit to the type of "Deck" you could set, it would feel more strategic.Quote:
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But as it stands, people either look at the best 3 options or don't bother because it's to a point where it's like. So all I do is spam spam spam the same 2-3 minions til I win? It's not very fun, there is certainty a way they could add more depth and synergy between minions that isn't just based on their 1/4 types. They could also have archetypes for each Minion which synergy when together in a natural "trait" way rather than active abilities. But then you could also have archetypes that work a certain way, like let's say Minion of Light, WHM and BLM. When they are used to destroy a Search Eye they offer an additional enfeeble which reduces all of the enemies Atts by 20% til they eye is repaired.
But see, then you could also add minions designs to repair the Eye and Shield but that in itself would need strategy, since you could attempt to fix the shield but you would also have to be mindful of the enemies actions.
If I had to choose, I'd say, each "Deck" could only have 10 Minions, and each Minion can only be Summoned 4 times aka the amount needed to use their active abilities. With this you would need to be more mindful of how you set the up, but they would also need to create a "Party System" to allow you to chain and unchain certain minions together so they are easier to move around on the battlefield. AKA keeping the healers in the back so they aren't the first to be attacked while moving your offensive to take the brute of the damage.
Granted I'm sure there are issues with my idea I just feel like there could be more life in this game if they didn't just make it a free for all with the minions. It's that one design flaw that really hurts the game. Just Imagine if you could use 5 5 star cards in Triple Triad(Granted I know people would love this for the NPC side) but for the PVP side it would be a nightmare. -
06-02-2017, 11:05 PMNovaLevossida
I really don't know why they just don't add more dungeons to the expert roulette. YoshiP states that people will want the easier dungeons in the roulette. And while that's true, the expert roulette could just take the older dungeons and scale up the stats on them. I'd rather pull from a list of 20+ dungeons with stat buffs than a roulette with 2 dungeons, possibly 3, or possibly just 1...
It also wouldn't be hard to make modifiers on dungeons like WoW has done, but they seem really adamant about not making dungeons anything other than a throwaway, boring experience. If the SMN AoE nerfs are more of a push to us to stop making massive pulls as some are saying (on top of gates in our corridor dungeons), it's really saying something about the design choice of the game. Rather than make more interesting, engaging, and dangerous opponents / encounters between bosses in a dungeon, they'd just rather limit our ability to kill packs of mindless and unchallenging mobs.
Dungeons are so easy that it was hard to stay awake in them because they require no focus. HW reduced the count from 3 to 2, and monotony set in. Going to just one in those odd patches isn't helping. -
06-03-2017, 12:08 AMPomelo
Hmm I don't know what to think regarding this, if the new contents are amazing then obviously it's a good thing, but I still think diadem, verminion and so on have been a let down.
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06-03-2017, 12:19 AMKaurie
Didn't read 15 pages, so sorry if I am repeating other people.
Personally, I am pretty disappointed by this. In Heavensward, they reduced it to two with the promise of adding new and fresh content. I was super excited for this initially. The promises of Diadem in particular were so interested. I love exploration and I wanted to try new and fresh content.
That new and fresh content worked out to be: Diadem, Diadem 2.0, LoV, Aquapolis, Squadrons, Feast and Palace of the Dead (am I missing any?). I think that most can agree that Diadem, Diadem 2.0 and LoV were hyped up and all fell flat on their face very shortly after release.
Aquapolis is a bit more controversial, I know some people who love running these. However, I can't understand why or how, from my perspective it's beyond lazy content. The environment is incredibly dull and pretty much reused from old leveling dungeons, the mobs have 0 mechanics and provide 0 challenge. The only real 'game' is the 50/50 choice between choosing the right door. I can't understand how this is fun, in any way. The main benefit is that it gives good rewards.
Palace of the Dead is also controversial. As content, it's pretty boring and dull. That said, it offers a lot more than any of the content above. That said, it seems the only real reason people play it is for speed-leveling.
Squadrons were basically a copy of WoW's Garrisons, one of the most hated pieces of content added to WoW in it's 13 years of existence. Then, after adding it, they basically did nothing with it and it's pretty much dead content. While there is a chance to revive this content in SB, overall it seems like a poor idea.
Feast is arguably the best piece of content added. I personally hate PvP and never do it, so I have very little to add to the discussion. That said, for anyone who PvP's, Feast seems to have been a success.
So, there we have all of the new content. What about the content lost?
Well, we went from 3 dungeons to 2, but in addition to that, the 2 dungeons we got are lack luster. Overall the dungeons throughout HW were less satisfying. They were particularly bad for healers. Every single HW dungeon I was able to go in on release and let Eos solo heal it. I hadn't been able to do that at all between levels 31 and 59. It's just sad that they were tuned so easy to the point of boredom.
So, we lost a lot (1 dungeon and lesser quality on 2 dungeons) to gain dead content, repeatedly. This wasn't 1 flop of a dungeon, or 1 flop of a content. It was every single patch. The best thing I could have heard was that they were going back to 3.0 dungeons like in ARR, and will stick to what works. -
06-03-2017, 12:27 AMRaizeGraymalkinYou're in an extreme minority though. A LOT of people run dungeons. And calling them "terrible and barely content"? Hyperbole much? This community is prone to that. That would make most of this game fit that moniker.Quote:
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06-03-2017, 12:28 AMDement
I'm perfectly happy with this if they properly allocate these resources this time. The game has had a midcore content drought for a long time with most of Heavensward being ridiculously easy (dungeons, diadem, PotD, LoV, MSQ, Alex normal, Squadrons, Aquapolis, Normal primals and even a fair number of extreme primals) or very hardcore (Gordias, Midas, Thordan, Sephirot). There really hasn't been much middle ground and all of the previous released "side content" was almost universally on the insanely easy side with poor reward structures. If even one instance of innovative, fun, well tuned and properly rewarded content comes from this change then I would gladly give up the 8 less dungeons per expansion between ARR and SB.
I also hope that this will force them to provide other alternatives to efficiently cap tomestones beyond running daily roulettes ad nauseum.
Then again, if they continue to use this excuse and still pump out the same poorly thought out, poorly tuned, poorly rewarded content patch after patch, it'll be a much easier decision to save myself $20 per month.
A LOT of people also run dungeons not because they enjoy them but because they have to in order to cap tomestones each week in the most efficient manner possible. I wouldn't call dungeons terrible and barely content which I agree is hyperbole; however, dungeons are close to the most casual of PvE content and the casual crowd already gets the lion's share of content anyway.Quote:
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06-03-2017, 12:29 AMRaizeGraymalkinMost of the content in this game is mindless. Whatever new content they come up with is going to be mindless and involve killing shit. That's what it's always going to boil down to regardless. And the problem with voicing our discontent is that by that point we've already lost out on potential good content, because they felt like experimenting.Quote:
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06-03-2017, 12:31 AMKaurieI personally love instanced and dungeon content. It is 95% of the reason that I got hooked into the MMORPG Genre. That first run of deadmines in WoW got me hooked many many years ago.Quote:
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That said, I agree with you. Expert dungeons in Heavensward have been terrible. The dungeons have been lazy and it's a big result of this push for other content. The dev team has not had enough resources to develop quality dungeons. I also have run very few expert roulettes this past year (probably more than you, but like ~3-10x per patch).
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06-03-2017, 12:31 AMVaer
I'm guessing Eureka has something to do with this reduction since last I heard it was going to tie in with the new relic. Guess we can hope it isn't terrible.
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06-03-2017, 10:50 AMSoraki-MuppeAnother thing we lost was the amount of trials, we got less of those as well.Quote:
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Most of their ideas had potential that was let down by their poor implementation. Potd as an example could have been great if the room templates varied in shape and size with things in them and perhaps the chance of special rooms, perhaps even change so that what unlocked the passage was not only killing x monsters but could also be finding a key or helping an npc with something so they unlocked it or some group based puzzle, perhaps if not all of it was underground, secret rooms where extra treasure could be found, random mini bosses that could drop some loot for the group if killed, change the current traps for ones that could be disarmed or in other ways dealt with. The idea of potd was never bad, it simply never lived up to what it could have been.
In HW we gave up more then we got, and like you say the dungeons was of lower quality then in ARR... or perhaps they just felt that way to me. Especially the 3.5 dungeons that to me felt like the worst dungeons in the game, they felt uninspiring and boring to the point where I can count on one hand how many times I did them. Less is only better if the quality is higher, but here it has just been less is less with lower quality. -
06-03-2017, 01:06 PMMomomiMomiIf they made the dungeons better I'd be fine with that, honestly. I actually used to ask for that before, better dungeons. But of all the dungeons we have in the whole game, only some of them I consider decent, and almost all of them, especially more recently, just feel like the same dungeon, it just looks different. None of the normal enemies even have any notable mechanics.Quote:
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See, people talk about all these new enemies that are in this dungeon. But as much as I wish I could say "oh, cool, a new enemy! I wonder what it does?" I just can't. Before I even get a chance to think that, the tank has pulled it in with the rest of the enemies, grouped them all up, and it's piñata time.
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06-03-2017, 02:24 PMThunda_Cat_SMASHI still blame Mythflox and the speed runners for this. It seriously feels like ever since this happened, the quality and fun factor of every single dungeon has dropped sharply, since every dungeon before was awesome. Hopefully with the AoE Nerf we'll start seeing more interesting and varied dungeons, but I dunno.Quote:
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06-03-2017, 04:18 PMSendohJinexactly this, i like doing dungeons but let's not pretend they are different. i also liked FFXI XP parties were we pulled the same things over and over for hours just to see how long we can keep an XP chain going. there's a degree of fun to some kinds of repetition. but every dungeon especially in the HW era is the same, pull every mob till you can't pull anymore, AOE, rinse and repeat.Quote:
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06-03-2017, 06:42 PMKhaoticsuccubusSomehow I doubt it. Until SE decides to change their approach to dungeon design it'll be aoe runs the whole way regardless of how much they nerf aoe. If they don't like it they need to actually make mobs scary to mass pull with high damage or actual mechanics you have to be wary of, not just more orange circles.Quote:
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06-03-2017, 06:53 PMAlleoI do like my pinata time (bye bye aoe summoner *cries*) but I agree with you on dungeons. Its just trash trash trash -> boss -> repeat. The only thing that changes is the skins of the mobs and the look of the walls. Its still way more interesting than looking at the same wall of PotD for 10 floors imo but at least I can do PotD solo. I would love for dungeons to have more mechanics and even puzzles, maybe even more than one path. But then people will just say that there would be the fastest way to do that and thus make it boring again. This may be right but at least the first few times it would be way more fun and if you run with premades you can give a damn about the meta of people.Quote:
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I was in Aquapolis with some ingame friends. One was there for the first time and I described how it functions. (RNG on top of RNG and troll doors ftw) They could not believe that and we took near the whole time to just go around and look for hints that might point us in the right direction. In the next run we compared the rooms and saw that they where completely identical. Still it was so much fun trying to see if the position of the carpet might be an hint. We also talked about improvements. Like instead of a wrong door throwing one out immediately they could have let some really hard monster free and if we survive that we could go on. Just things that make it less purely RNG and more about the skill of the players. Heck even if they put in riddles and people post these in the internet, you could still go in there without ever looking at them and thus make it fun for you and your group. Just because there is a meta or a solution on the internet does not mean that people have to look at it.
But instead of those things we will probably just get another trash trash -> boss dungeon with another different paint. Yet even if they are not that interesting probably most of the playerbase can run these and thus have content. I would love for more midcore content but this savage boss sounds more like a content for raiders or people with a static thus again not for the majority of the players. So they need another battle content for the more casual players because otherwise those people will have less to do and they make the majority of your playerbase.
Seeing the track record of them I just cant be hyped about the concept of this, and I am saying this as someone that wanted them to add new content even if its risky..but I never thought that we would loose another content for that again.. -
06-03-2017, 07:06 PMStanelisAt least in PoTD there is some sort of replay value (due to RNG in the floors layout), that cannot be found in conventionnal dungeon runs. In conventionnal dungeons there is only one way forward and nothing to even think about.Quote:
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SE decreasing the number of dungeon per patch might not be as bad as people think, but only if they alter their dungeon design (so they aren't corridors with only a few trashs mobs and boring bosses) and/or focus on alternative relevant PVE content. But honestly I kinda expect them to allocate the available ressources to develop new mogstation items. -
06-03-2017, 07:16 PMKageTokage
The problem I have with dungeon trash is that it's generally simultaneously too weak, too simple, and too predictable.
I was able to guess exactly what pretty much every single normal enemy in Shisui of the Violet Tides would do beforehand based simply on the model/weapon they were using.
Having more surprising/interesting abilities on trash like what PotD offers at times would spice things up (The self-destructing slimes and mini worms that suddenly hulk out if not killed quickly spring to mind). Perhaps not quite as punishing, but still problematic enough to warrant a kill order. -
06-03-2017, 07:41 PMGamer3427
I do think that one possibility we might see to all this is that in addition to producing more varied content, they might also have time to work on improving the dungeons themselves, or making that one dungeon patch have a more distinct and more lengthy feel to it. I fully agree with the other commenters here in that the majority of the most recent dungeons have felt like the exact same run over and over again. The only dungeon I can really think of that felt truly distinct from the others was The Antitower, and that was mostly because it forced shorter pulls for the most part, and the enemies spawned a bit differently than normal. The actual variety to the combat mechanics of enemies in dungeons is the real problem though, since they don't tend to pose much of a threat if you have a good healer and tank. There's no incentive to take it slow and pick them off one at a time unless everyone is at the bare minimum iLevel to get into the run, and rarely even then......
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06-03-2017, 09:42 PMKhaoticsuccubusFloor layout? Like whether there are 3 rooms or 10?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanelis
I guess... I don't count though since every room is practically identical to the last it all just blurs together. Only replay value PotD has for me is it's the fastest way to level... and maybe grind tomes if i want an even easier experience and don't want to deal with bads. Bads in dungeons make the whole experience more painful or impossible, bads in PotD don't matter in the slightest... they're just extra meat to soak up damage for me anyway lol ;P