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Originally Posted by Malzian

Yeah, same here. It's definitely Colorado. ARIN has that IP listed as a town in Colorado, not California.

https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-...?s=204.2.229.9

Name NTT America, Inc.
Handle NTTAM-1
Street 8300 E Maplewood Ave.
Suite 400
City Greenwood Village
State/Province CO
Postal Code 80111
Country US
Registration Date 2005-12-08
Last Updated 2017-01-28
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That's a corporate address, not a datacenter. The corporate entity that the IP block is registered to is there, but the IPs can be used anywhere.

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Originally Posted by Malzian

Yeah, same here. It's definitely Colorado. ARIN has that IP listed as a town in Colorado, not California.

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The problem is, you are using web services such as "whois" which won't give you accurate results. I saw Dallas, Denver, Kansas etc. while using those. What you wanna do is using CMD to /tracert neolobby02.ffxiv.com and neolobby04.ffxiv.com which gives you the new lobby IP, another IP which you can ping and also your new latency. The exact location of the new data center don't mean anything, it's the IP you want in order to check your latency.

One way to check if the result of a service might be right is to ping a testserver in that location and compare it with your traceroute results. And as my lobby ping is the same as the testserver sacramento ping, it's enough for me to take the revealed location as confirmation. At least it's clearly somewhere in that area.

Ragingwire Sacramento CA2 Data Center.

NTT/Ragingwire owns the IP addresses and they can use them anywhere in their data center network, you can't go by WHOIS information. If the hop holds true it's the CA2 Data Center. However it's not the game server(s) themselves but it's likely the IPs are within the same subnet family.

Directed at thread title: How does CA make sense. Why would they not choose a central area that is better for everyone in the NA Datacenters? How does this make ANY more sense than Canada Square Enix. EXPLAIN please.

Also hopefully the title to the thread is wrong because that would be just as stupid as a move as Canada was.

If it truely is in CA Im pretty sure a majority of my FC will be moving to an EU server. Just need to figure out which one..

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

Directed at thread title: How does CA make sense. Why would they not choose a central area that is better for everyone in the NA Datacenters? How does this make ANY more sense than Canada Square Enix. EXPLAIN please.

Also hopefully the title to the thread is wrong because that would be just as stupid as a move as Canada was.

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Better network connections? Geographic location is very much of secondary importance compared to how the datacenter is connected to the rest of the world.

WEST COAST BEST COAST... lol :P

I had no change from Japan to Montreal, so this will finally feel like a "US" server to me (probably, and yes I know the servers are labeled as "NA" servers lol). Unfortunately distance isn't the best sign of how the connection will be, due to the fact these things follow physical lines (with their own attributes, not all created equal) and not as the crow flies internet. Although that's a good thing too though, some people who feel the Canadian server is farther away may still have a decent (or even improved) connection :)

(I'm also going to take the CA location with a hunk of salt until servers are live and we can definitely confirm location).

You know if you actually checked the link I posted out, Ragingwire CA2 has direct connects to just about all of the largest ISPs in the US like Cox, Centurylink, Comcast, Verizon, ATT which should be an improvement for most in the US compared to Montreal.

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Originally Posted by technole

You know if you actually checked the link I posted out, Ragingwire CA2 has direct connects to just about all of the largest ISPs in the US like Cox, Centurylink, Comcast, Verizon, ATT which should be an improvement for most in the US compared to Montreal.

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That's something I hope for even as my latency will go up. But I had pretty bad lags recently, so I hope the new location will at least fix that and compensate the higher ping somehow. Maybe its not that bad.

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Originally Posted by Lokryn

Blade and soul =/= FFXIV, also completely different engines. Thats just a bad comparison.

This is also a game with no GCD for many skills and has no built in Latency compensation.

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There is not compared bns to xiv, but low ping vs high ping, and the difference exists. The same difference that made me never pass titan ex when datacenter was in the other side of the world, and passed at first try when it came in front of my house. 200ms is an eternity when playing anything require coordination and reflexes to what happens in the screen in front of your face.

Ah, was hoping it was going to be central, but I had a sinking feeling it was going to end up on the west coast.

My main issues with ping increase are

Losing my static (moving to a EU server)
Losing my Gil (moving to EU server)
Losing my FC (moving to EU server)
Losing all my fellow friends (a friendship of 3 years moving to a EU server)

The move is kinda taking away most of this which I'm hoping pings are not going to high.Sadly I am DEFINITELY getting a ping increase (Leeds UK to Sacramento : from 110 to 180/190) this increase will not allow me to play like I wish or used to. I have played with a ping of 180+ 200+ and the latency is noticeable. Moving the character from one place to another feels like walking under water and believe me it's really annoying.

If I have no choice but to move due to latency issues the only things I hope team/ Yoship considers are:

1- Free character transfer
2- Allow us to take all our Gil

If this happens I'll be totally fine.

I'd rather not have to have friends transferring due to this change so I guess we see what happens soon enough.

Welp its much closer to me now. Very excited.

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Originally Posted by Mature

My main issues with ping increase are

Losing my static (moving to a EU server)
Losing my Gil (moving to EU server)
Losing my FC (moving to EU server)
Losing all my fellow friends (a friendship of 3 years moving to a EU server)

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Let's static if we have to leave! :p

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Originally Posted by Rosalynd

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The difference is you're choosing to place yourself in an exile with a higher ping. We didn't make you. You could easily move to a server with a better connection. Which, by the way, is exactly what I plan on doing if this is on the west coast.

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Originally Posted by Apoptomon

As an OCE player 10,000 miles from Primal's original location in Montreal, I can certainly understand EU player concerns about the server move, but I have to ask, what's with the jumping to panic stations from NA people? Is US infrastructure really 4th-world?!

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American ISPs throttle and shape traffic.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

American ISPs throttle and shape traffic.

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This, so much.

I tracert for the neolobby (thanks google, lol) and it times out in sacramento, but first it sends me all the way to Seattle then San Jose, then sac town.

Since it times out does that just mean the path isn't 100% realized yet and it could just be waiting until the servers are up for the destination to finalize?

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

Directed at thread title: How does CA make sense. Why would they not choose a central area that is better for everyone in the NA Datacenters? How does this make ANY more sense than Canada Square Enix. EXPLAIN please.

Also hopefully the title to the thread is wrong because that would be just as stupid as a move as Canada was.

If it truely is in CA Im pretty sure a majority of my FC will be moving to an EU server. Just need to figure out which one..

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Infrastructure upgrade. They had to move. This decision wasn't taken on a whim. It's a long term investment.
They probably had multiple options and had to take the best compromise without just considering location as the only weight on the balance.

Western Canada, Australia, and other Oceanic locals will definitely benefit from less hops, but mainland US will definitely be fine as I mentioned if it holds true, this data center has direct connects to the largest ISPs in the country. There might be some ping hikes here and there but stability shouldn't be a question.

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

The difference is you're choosing to place yourself in an exile with a higher ping. We didn't make you. You could easily move to a server with a better connection. Which, by the way, is exactly what I plan on doing if this is on the west coast.

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Seeing how English server options are NA or EU they have had two bad choises to pick from...

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Originally Posted by Sida

Seeing how English server options are NA or EU they have had two bad choises to pick from...

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There is a substantial english speaking community on more than one of the JP servers if im not mistaken.. so you are incorrect.

Tonberry is kind of the main English JP server. Not sure what other ones there are.

All of this is still somewhat uncertain. That said, if the location is in Sacramento, I think it's a large-enough shift that they should allow temporary free transfers both to (and from) the new data centre. It's the least they can do.

That wouldn't necessarily apply had they made a shorter (and arguably more logical) hop to, say, Chicago, but moving 3000 miles is significant. It makes the server newly-viable for people in Oceania, and completely screws people who were on it from the EU. It's not a relatively minor shift.

Speaking personally, though, I think a shift to Sacramento would be a tremendously stupid idea. It's not balanced for North America (just as Montreal wasn't), and this is supposedly the NA data centre. Dallas, Chicago, even Denver would have been far better choices from a geographical standpoint, and all three have perfectly adequate support infrastructure. Coupled with the lack of prior notification, and a lack (thus far) of free transfer windows, and this move just reeks of borderline-incompetence. Then again, so does most everything technical in regards to FFXIV, from the engine limitations, to the "too much character data" excuse given in response to a host of player requests, to now the (possible) server placement. Colour me completely unsurprised.

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Originally Posted by savageink

Tonberry is kind of the main English JP server. Not sure what other ones there are.

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Server, not a datacenter. And yet DF is datacenter wide. So either they could queue only in English and have considerably worse queue times, or queue in all languages and end up in Japanese groups constantly.

As someone who lives within Sacramento County, wow. I can cancel my gamer VPN subs now.

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Originally Posted by Vhailor

Speaking personally, though, I think a shift to Sacramento would be a tremendously stupid idea. It's not balanced for North America (just as Montreal wasn't), and this is supposedly the NA data centre. Dallas, Chicago, even Denver would have been far better choices from a geographical standpoint, and all three have perfectly adequate support infrastructure..

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*Technically* if the NA region lumps in OCE players (which lets face it - OCE players almost always go for NA servers in any MMO I have ever played,) Cali actually IS more "central" than Chicago or Dallas...

It would be such an idiotic choice, what would be the reason behind it? Getting rid of the aussies on jp data center?

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Originally Posted by Sida

Server, not a datacenter. And yet DF is datacenter wide. So either they could queue only in English and have considerably worse queue times, or queue in all languages and end up in Japanese groups constantly.

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I guess it never bothered me when playing on Tonberry or Titan. I used to live in Japan. Plus if you are playing with a group it would be irrelevant. Lots of Aussie FCs on those servers. But I was just dropping a server name for people who were interested in English JP servers anyway. ;)

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Originally Posted by savageink

Totally! I'm pretty directly connected to a backbone, so I get playable pings to all 3 datacenters, but I know people who are basically stuck with dial-up or fast satellite uploads but crap down out on the boonies.

I think some people just have no idea how much empty space there is in North America.

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in all fairness ive lived in actual cities in the US were the service is just shit since infrastructure doesn't get touched up, and why would it since most areas have no competition XD Recently some areas started to get revisited a bit at least, but that was cuz routing through cell phones was more manageable lol.

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Originally Posted by savageink

I guess it never bothered me when playing on Tonberry or Titan.

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Well, if language is an issue for you, the EU data center falls flat anyway. There's a large percentage of europeans who don't speak english and it's not uncommon to run into them.
And without wanting to stereotype, that percentage would likely shoot up rapidly if we got a spanish localization, because spain is pretty much at the bottom of the barrel in that regard.

I may have missed it but where was the Data Center before? I heard it was in Canada but where exactly?

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Originally Posted by Ayerinn

*Technically* if the NA region lumps in OCE players (which lets face it - OCE players almost always go for NA servers in any MMO I have ever played,) Cali actually IS more "central" than Chicago or Dallas...

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True, but I'm not certain that this is the case for FFXIV. The game is years old now. Given the poor initial choice of Montreal for the NA data centre, many OCE players have been playing on the Japanese data centre for most of their time in FFXIV (hence the English-speaking community on Tonberry).

All that to say, I don't think SE can claim with any honesty that the NA data center has historically been for OCE players. If they're making an intentional effort to change that, Sacramento makes sense - but they haven't given any indication of this. They didn't publicize a 'west coast' data centre presence, they haven't made any mention of allowing free transfers from the Japanese data center over to the new NA location, etc.

I'm just hoping the move reduces my Ping by even a little bit. Running the raids and EX trials while averaging 600-800 ping makes dodging always an adventure. Having to predict when and where stuff happens and be moving as you see the telegraph start in order to avoid it is crazy on the nerves. The best day I can remember was around 300 ping and I was shocked at how easy it was to dodge that day. ^_^

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I may have missed it but where was the Data Center before? I heard it was in Canada but where exactly?

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They were located in Montreal Canada

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I may have missed it but where was the Data Center before? I heard it was in Canada but where exactly?

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Montreal- very east coast of North America.

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Originally Posted by Lokryn

Folks, you can look up the DNS all day, until the servers are up and pingable the DNS routing tables will not Resolve. so the location will be all over the place as the system tries to find it.

3+ years networking.

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I could be wrong on this but it would still give a decent idea of what your ping would be like to run a Tracert and see what the average ms / amount of hops to get to the destination is right? Like I can still get to Sacramento with a tracert which I would assume is maybe a hop or two short of the SE servers.

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Originally Posted by Fatalityz

I could be wrong on this but it would still give a decent idea of what your ping would be like to run a Tracert and see what the average ms / amount of hops to get to the destination is right? Like I can still get to Sacramento with a tracert which I would assume is maybe a hop or two short of the SE servers.

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Pretty much. Speedtest.net can give you a 'general' idea of you're ping too.

You guys shouldn't get hung up on physical location of servers being in Sacramento if you live in the US. It's really more of the infrastructure and "pipeline" supporting it and it's a pretty diverse in terms of direct connect providers.

Check this out: http://www.ragingwire.com/network-se...arrier-connect

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Well, if language is an issue for you, the EU data center falls flat anyway. There's a large percentage of europeans who don't speak english and it's not uncommon to run into them.
And without wanting to stereotype, that percentage would likely shoot up rapidly if we got a spanish localization, because spain is pretty much at the bottom of the barrel in that regard.

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LOL! No. It's not really an issue for me. I'm ok with a bit of Japanese, German and French. But there is a certain group of Americans who are allergic to pushing a button on a phone to select English.