Is our sub fee not enought

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Originally Posted by Underdog2204

Yoiu don't "have" to get anything from the mogstation... I dunno where people get the idea they are forced to.

Sure I don't like the fact there are things being added soley to the mogstation but it is no where near necessary to obtain them. Wanting and needing are two very different things.

If you buy them then you really should be looking to yourself as the problem.

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Thank you. All this outrage, telling others they are bad for spending money, and complaints of a business trying to make money.... it smacks of such entitled first world problems it makes me ill sometimes.

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Originally Posted by seraf

The part about people using an official parser to reverse engineer or datamine how damage formulas work is actually a legit concern for SE and is probably one of the reasons they have been reluctant to add one at all.

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And the reason why the excuse is always "people will use it to harass low parsers" is because they don't want to give anyone the real reason why. It may be a small price to pay to keep hackers and dataminers in the dark, but I'd just as soon the actual combat mechanics in the game stay proprietary and we not have people cheating the system for personal gain.

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Originally Posted by SundayTrash

I can understand putting past events items on mog station, but new emote/glamour/mount that goes straight to mogstation while not giving active sub a chance to obtain them in game is just pure greed, and whats even worst is that most item are solely single character, or if u have alt or future alt u will have to buy it again.

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Actually is linked to account unless you have multiple accounts. Second You don't have to, it's optional. Last, past events well people get their chances. Now if your a struggling student I can udnerstand but some things are more like...why would people pay for it? Oh yeah to show off or actually seems decent.

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Originally Posted by seraf

The part about people using an official parser to reverse engineer or datamine how damage formulas work is actually a legit concern for SE and is probably one of the reasons they have been reluctant to add one at all.

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Nothing is gonna be exploited just because people know how a damage formula works, people have been figuring out that stuff for years now to determine stat weights.

He was clear about what's his fear regarding parsers in the fan fest, you should watch it.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

You guys are overreacting look at any list of top grossing mmos and this game will not be on it , like having a sub base actually turns players off and not everyone likes ff genre. But those of us whom do shouldnt be complaining when this game wants to make an extra buck , it supports the game this game isnt drowning in money so every little bit helps stop complaining if you dont want the items dont buy them.

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Can you post that list? I'm certain this game is a top 5 game

You guys are overreacting look at any list of top grossing mmos and this game will not be on it , like having a sub base actually turns players off and not everyone likes ff genre. But those of us whom do shouldnt be complaining when this game wants to make an extra buck , it supports the game this game isnt drowning in money so every little bit helps stop complaining if you dont want the items dont buy them.

Old stuff into the mogshop doesn't really bother me, even when I miss stuff, to me it encourages (doesn't guarantee) that they'll make decent rewards each event and also makes it so people feel it is more valuable because it literally is (you know there will be a monetary value to your free item). Reskins are less annoying but pretty silly imo.

I loathe exclusive stuff though.. SE please xD. Perhaps if they added something like EQ had with the whole you get cash shop money from your sub, so you can get - everything - without getting out of your sub unless you wanted every random item and you kept missing events. They discussed changing the veteran system, maybe we'll go to that?

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

You guys are overreacting look at any list of top grossing mmos and this game will not be on it

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Those lists include DotA2 and League of Legends. A Final Fantasy MOBA would be cool, but it wouldn't be an MMO and I have no idea why so many sites are so keen on conflating the two.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

it supports the game this game isnt drowning in money so every little bit helps stop complaining if you dont want the items dont buy them.

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Why do you think that? I don't recall reading anything negative about FFXIV's money making abilities since it was re-released. Just the opposite actually.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

like having a sub base actually turns players off

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Does it not also turn players off if there's additional fees on-top of a sub?

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

it supports the game

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I thought my $15/mo did that, though?

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

this game isnt drowning in money so every little bit helps

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Then shouldn't they add incentives for new players to join the game, and current subscribers to keep playing, rather than just adding new stuff for additional fees? If my choice is between two games, and I like both games equally, why would I pick the one that has three (Game, Sub, Cash-Shop) prince-sinks for content as opposed to the other, which has two (Game, Sub) for new content?

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half my monthly sub if I wanted to buy one of the new emotes, come on SE

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Originally Posted by Lexia

half my monthly sub if I wanted to buy one of the new emotes, come on SE

https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Captain-Picard-Facepalm.jpg

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It cost as much as a month for me, but it'll be fun to use, so I don't really care. I rarely purchase optional items other than fantasias anyway.

The price in the cash shop for just about everything is absurd. I've never used it, and never will until I see more reasonable pricing. Having items in there never available in-game is an insult to those who spend their time playing everyday. Presenting it as if it's part of the gameplay patch is also highly questionable.

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Originally Posted by Redgate

Does it not also turn players off if there's additional fees on-top of a sub?

I thought my $15/mo did that, though?

Then shouldn't they add incentives for new players to join the game, and current subscribers to keep playing, rather than just adding new stuff for additional fees? If my choice is between two games, and I like both games equally, why would I pick the one that has three (Game, Sub, Cash-Shop) prince-sinks for content as opposed to the other, which has two (Game, Sub) for new content?

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But there is a major difference other games sale in game gear, sale things that actually matter in the actual game, a mount , an emote dont matter. We have a billion emotes , are we really complaining that they are selling someone in the mog station just because we didnt get that one emote when we have like 40 of them come on.

They arent selling script gear, are anything of significance so why does it matter, this game can have both and it should have both cash sop and sub, because at the end of the day you get everything that matters from paying a sub. Everything in the mog station is just extra and those whom have the money can get it just like any other service, thats like saying if I pay a gym fee I should get free drinks , free tanning , free everything just because I pay my membership nothing works like that. Alot of things you pay an up front cost and everything else has an additional fee I dont see the problem here.

I wonder if the people always fussing about the CS also loudly complain at at movie theater when they're asked to pay for snacks in addition to their ticket. Or at a restaurant when they're asked to pay extra for appetizers.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

I wonder if the people always fussing about the CS also loudly complain at at movie theater when they're asked to pay for snacks in addition to their ticket. Or at a restaurant when they're asked to pay extra for appetizers.

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Thank you someone who gets it, Nooo I want my popcorn and hot dogs for free I payed for this movie and I deserve them as well.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

I wonder if the people always fussing about the CS also loudly complain at at movie theater when they're asked to pay for snacks in addition to their ticket. Or at a restaurant when they're asked to pay extra for appetizers.

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I rarely (if almost never) buy snacks at the movie theater, and I go during matinee when it like only $6 instead of $10 at night. I have also rarely bought anything off mog station either.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

I wonder if the people always fussing about the CS also loudly complain at at movie theater when they're asked to pay for snacks in addition to their ticket.

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I dunno, I'd just bring my own food in a handy backpack.

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Originally Posted by seraf

The part about people using an official parser to reverse engineer or datamine how damage formulas work is actually a legit concern for SE and is probably one of the reasons they have been reluctant to add one at all.

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Please be careful when watching MrHappy videos and instantly turning his assumptions and opinions into facts. When the question about official parsers being implemented was asked at the Live Letter at EU Fanfest, Yoshida said the concern was players using this tool against others in a harassing way. Nothing else was mentioned about this "reverse engineering" debacle.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

I wonder if the people always fussing about the CS also loudly complain at at movie theater when they're asked to pay for snacks in addition to their ticket.

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I don't pay a subscription to the cinema, if I did I'd expect snacks with my ticket.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

I don't pay a subscription to the cinema, if I did I'd expect snacks with my ticket.

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talk about entitlement ha wow ha , SE is doing nothing wrong just tryin to get their piece of the mmo profit pie cut them some slack

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Originally Posted by Jandor

Would you pay a subscription to your local cinema?

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Yes, depending on what I got out of it. That's practically what services like Hulu and Netflix are.

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Would you pay a sub on top of being charged for tickets and snacks?

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The snacks are optional and have no bearing on my enjoyment of whatever movie I'm about to see. I may pay for them if I'm feeling peckish, otherwise I save my money and go watch the movie without them. Your question about the ticket doesn't make any sense, because your subscription is the ticket.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

I don't pay a subscription to the cinema, if I did I'd expect snacks with my ticket.

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Why? The only thing your ticket gives you is access to the theater and the right to view the screen. Just like your subscription fee to FFXIV. If you want extra, you pay extra.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

I wonder if the people always fussing about the CS also loudly complain at at movie theater when they're asked to pay for snacks in addition to their ticket. Or at a restaurant when they're asked to pay extra for appetizers.

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I don't pay a monthly subscription to a movie theater or restaurant.

This more like paying for a gym membership and then them trying to charge you more to get access to exclusive equipment.

Anyways they gave a valid reason why this emote shouldn't be in the game so why is it in the game now at a cost?

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

I wonder if the people always fussing about the CS also loudly complain at at movie theater when they're asked to pay for snacks in addition to their ticket. Or at a restaurant when they're asked to pay extra for appetizers.

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That's a weird comparison. Everyone knows you are paying for a ticket to view a film at a movie theater, not eat candy or popcorn. Consider this instead: Would you be upset if you had to pay an entrance fee to get inside an amusement park, plus an extra dollar for every ride? Or how about a zoo? 1 extra dollar for every exclusive animal you want to see. We already paid the entrance fee. What the Mog Station is doing with these new unique emotes is essentially the same idea.

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Originally Posted by Lufir

That's a weird comparison. Everyone knows you are paying for a ticket to view a film at a movie theater, not eat candy or popcorn. Consider this instead: Would you be upset if you had to pay an entrance fee to get inside an amusement park, plus an extra dollar for every ride? Or how about a zoo? 1 extra dollar for every exclusive animal you want to see. We already paid the entrance fee. What the Mog Station is doing with these new unique emotes is essentially the same idea.

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well what exactly is mog station suppose to sale then only old stuff I mean come on its a freaking emote we have a billion of them I cant believe this is even a thread if it cost to much for you dont buy it I know I want be thats because emotes are not that important.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

Didn't we get the /Moonlift dance in 3.5?

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There's also /spectacles from the Scholasticate quests.

The movie comparison isn't really apt either because the value inflation of the candy is a better deal than Mog Shop, it's $30 for a digital item that has no production cost (it did have development cost of course). If Soda cost $90 it might be a better comparison lol.

SE is a business but whenever I see exclusive stuff in the Mogshop I just think "thanks mobile gaming" xD. I was so happy with my occasional pre-order, one expansion a year, or a DLC that meant something. Now it's would you like to pay $50 for Yuna's bikini? It's on sale too! If you pay $20 more you can use it in the VR room!1!!!

Although I get MMOs are expensive I still feel SE could be more considerate how they run the shop, at minimum please consider applying bonus crysta to subscriptions as seen in some other MMOs as part of their Vet system (if refusing to stop adding in exclusives at least).

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

I wonder if the people always fussing about the CS also loudly complain at at movie theater when they're asked to pay for snacks in addition to their ticket. Or at a restaurant when they're asked to pay extra for appetizers.

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When they add a wing into their cinema to have more rooms, we dont pay it, they expanse it bye themself, yet in FFXIV we pay expansion...

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

Yes, depending on what I got out of it. That's practically what services like Hulu and Netflix are.
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Why? The only thing your ticket gives you is access to the theater and the right to view the screen. Just like your subscription fee to FFXIV. If you want extra, you pay extra.

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3 charges at FFXIV, getting in, staying in, and extras.
2 charges at the Cinema, getting in, and extras.

I wouldn't subscribe to a cinema that expected me to still pay for tickets and snacks. No one would, that's why they don't do it.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

well what exactly is mog station suppose to sale then only old stuff I mean come on its a freaking emote we have a billion of them I cant believe this is even a thread if it cost to much for you dont buy it I know I want be thats because emotes are not that important.

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It may be just a freaking emote to you but every time there is an exclusive item added to the mog station, potential content is being wasted and not utilized. This could of been a reward for an amusing, fun quest. Or a casual drop from something in game. Something. Anything, that livens up the game and encourages more people to play whatever content it could have came from.

No, the sub fee isn't enough, otherwise you wouldn't be seeing an... emote... for half the cost of said sub fee.

Don't worry though, no amount of complaining will change it, anything that is more creative or requires even a slight bit of effort to make over the gear we get now, or has been requested a bunch will be on the shop soon. And might as well add in anything that's been told numerous times isn't possible or that they don't want to add for... reasons, too.

It doesn't matter if it even has a place suitable to unlock it via in-game means either, why add incentives to do associated content if the masses have asked for it so much that the lucrative potential is so tantalizing that they can't resist adding it to the shop? They can get away with it afterall, and can bloat the prices (Fan Fest costing more, Eastern clothing, emotes getting higher etc).

I ain't even mad, I have enough restraint not to give money where it isn't deserved... I am just disappointed at this stage. Oh well, on with thing I suppose. *two cents given*

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

They arent selling script gear, are anything of significance so why does it matter, this game can have both and it should have both cash sop and sub, because at the end of the day you get everything that matters from paying a sub. Everything in the mog station is just extra and those whom have the money can get it just like any other service, thats like saying if I pay a gym fee I should get free drinks , free tanning , free everything just because I pay my membership nothing works like that. Alot of things you pay an up front cost and everything else has an additional fee I dont see the problem here.

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you know, I am starting to look up names of ppl that are supporting mog station and I am quiet shock by their low numbers.
https://www.fflogs.com/rankings/character/2610781/8/

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

I wonder if the people always fussing about the CS also loudly complain at at movie theater when they're asked to pay for snacks in addition to their ticket. Or at a restaurant when they're asked to pay extra for appetizers.

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seems like ppl want stuff that added to the mogstation are the one also not doin the content.
https://www.fflogs.com/rankings/character/331518/13/

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Originally Posted by Rita1989

I don't pay a monthly subscription to a movie theater or restaurant.

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No, but that doesn't matter. You're still paying whenever you go to them and if you want anything extra you have to pay for it. If you want, we can pretend that you'd be going to the theater or restaurant at least once a month.

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This more like paying for a gym membership and then them trying to charge you more to get access to exclusive equipment.

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It's having a gym membership and thinking that entitles you to free items from the gym's hobby shop. Your membership lets you use the equipment, if you want largely unnecessary add-ons like bags and shirts, you should expect to pay for it.

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Originally Posted by Lufir

That's a weird comparison. Everyone knows you are paying for a ticket to view a film at a movie theater, not eat candy or popcorn.

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The comparison is fine, and in this case the problem is people not understanding what their subscription fee actually gets them.

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Consider this instead: Would you be upset if[...] What the Mog Station is doing with these new unique emotes or is essentially the same idea.

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No it isn't? It's not even close to the same idea. You can still play FFXIV without paying for any additional services. If it were like your example, you would be charged individually for every single piece of content you did, every time you did it.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

The movie comparison isn't really apt either because the value inflation of the candy is a better deal than Mog Shop, it's $30 for a digital item that has no production cost (it did have development cost of course). If Soda cost $90 it might be a better comparison lol.

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Most CS items are permanent for as long as you keep your account. Snacks last you for as long as it takes you to consume them. I personally see far more value in the price of anything I'd want off of the store.

Well, all this is why I don't buy anything from the mogstation, no matter how much I want it. I was cautiously okay with the concept at first, and I could even have made my peace with some things being mogstation only, rather than in-game first, but the prices are absolutely ludicrous, even for the account-wide items, and just flatly inexcusable for those items which are single-character or consumable.

Like, the cherry trees for $5 might be reasonable if that purchase unlocked them at the calamity salvager for you to buy as many as you liked, or even if it was a pack of five or six of them for that price, but for a single semi-consumable item? Are they insane?

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

It's having a gym membership and thinking that entitles you to free items from the gym's hobby shop.

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So, uh...can I take my mog station items home with me, like, outside the actual game? Can I at least take them with me when I switch over to LoL, like I could if I bought a shirt in said hobby shop and went to a different game/gym/whatever?

(Real life products don't compare all too well to digital ones)

To answer the OP question. Apparently our sub fee is not enough.

Including those like myself who pay for additional retainers is also not enough.

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Originally Posted by SundayTrash

seems like ppl want stuff that added to the mogstation are the one also not doin the content.
https://www.fflogs.com/rankings/character/331518/13/

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I'm sorry, what does my Savage progress have to do with the topic at hand? You'd better find some support for your straw man before he blows over.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

So, uh...can I take my mog station items home with me, like, outside the actual game? Can I at least take them with me when I switch over to LoL, like I could if I bought a shirt in said hobby shop and went to a different game/gym/whatever?

(Real life products don't compare all too well to digital ones)

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Whether or not the items are physically tangible or transferable is irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

I'm sorry, what does my Savage progress have to do with the topic at hand? You'd better find some support for your straw man before he blows over.




Whether or not the items are physically tangible or transferable is irrelevant.

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Seriously... OP is just throwing her crap at you to try and find something that sticks.

I couldn't find the statement online after an admittedly cursory search, but I seem to recall somewhere that even Blizzard has stated that without revenue from their cash shop, they would have been forced to raise subscription fees to combat increased technology costs and inflated developer salaries. Customer response to that was overwhelmingly negative, so they took the "optional but costs more at the individual level" approach instead.

Basically, development costs for MMOs have gone up substantially in the past ten years and yet player willingness to spend more than $15 a month has remained very inelastic. For what it's worth, I'd rather pay a higher sub fee, but given the omnipresence of quick-and-dirty freemium games that don't require an initial investment to start up, it seems I'm in the minority.

Prices are getting stupid on the cash shop and SE is being very greedy. The price for an emote is now 4x the price of the cheapest one on there. Personally I don't understand players that agree with this. It is especially annoying when they have now started half assing content. I.e lets not add a new trial and just change a boss in a raid.

Same with the physical collectors;
Collectors Edition Heavensward $129
Collectors Edition Stormblood $199

Whats the next one gonna cost $270?

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

Whether or not the items are physically tangible or transferable is irrelevant.

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In all your comparisons so far, any additional products were separable from the actual product you're buying and could be used without them. That's not the case for mog station items however. So the comparisons are flawed.