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Originally Posted by Ceons

I hope more 'ffxi-2' people will read this.

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A lot of the people want FFXI-2 for content reasons (rank missions, NMs, HNMs, matt fights, ballista, etc) and not so much OMG THIS GAME SHOULD BE EXACTLY ALIKE IN EVERY WAY

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Originally Posted by Rockne

I still say we should be able to craft using DDR mats.

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You know, in another game at another time, that's a pretty innovative idea.

Just saying.

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Originally Posted by Shelia

A lot of the people want FFXI-2 for content reasons (rank missions, NMs, HNMs, matt fights, ballista, etc) and not so much OMG THIS GAME SHOULD BE EXACTLY ALIKE IN EVERY WAY

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Actually, the vast majority of them have literally said they want FFXI with the graphics of FFXIV.

But I agree with you, there are those of us (myself included) that would like to see some of the good content ideas of FFXI, but not see it be a copy with enhanced graphics. But we are not the people to whom they were referring... not 'FFXI-2'.

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Originally Posted by Shelia

A lot of the people want FFXI-2 for content reasons (rank missions, NMs, HNMs, matt fights, ballista, etc) and not so much OMG THIS GAME SHOULD BE EXACTLY ALIKE IN EVERY WAY

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You have people calling for death penalties right now in 3 threads. There you go. But, I wish you were right. The thing is, we already have FFXI content in FFXIV. The only thing that changed was the systems, the content is obviously the same. FFXIV hasn't changed much since alpha but I've never for a second doubted that FFXIV will have a truly massive amount of content on par with XI.

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Originally Posted by derekx

You know, in another game at another time, that's a pretty innovative idea.

Just saying.

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Thumbs up!

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

Actually, the vast majority of them have literally said they want FFXI with the graphics of FFXIV.

But I agree with you, there are those of us (myself included) that would like to see some of the good content ideas of FFXI, but not see it be a copy with enhanced graphics. But we are not the people to whom they were referring... not 'FFXI-2'.

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Exactly Kaedan. The content is coming for sure, that's one thing that's not left to ambiguity around here.

On another note, who thinks Loyalty Mode should give a 24 hour insta ban upon death?

Twenty-four hours really isn't harsh enough. I mean, they just log back in the next day, where's the punishment in that?

Forty-eight at a minimum.

Lmao this is funny. I understand you miss a lot of features in FFXI. However, FFXIV can not be FFXI. If you want those features, then go play FFXI. Square Enix has to a hard job in trying to please everyone the best they can. People have very different opinions on how FFXIV should move forward from this point. They must try to please their "loyal" fans while still creating new and innovative gameplay. I did love these features in FFXI, however, I do want to play a new game and I'm sure SE can come up with some awesome features to replace these outdated ones.

lol thankyou for the uplifting post OP :)

I want FFXI-2, but only for the community. XIV community was automatically immature and greedy at the start of a game that has no gear that is really worth anything, that amazed me.

I actually do want all of those "bad" features listed...FFXI-2 (|Yes, please.|)

You're mixing WoW + FFXI together :P

lol

Most retarded list ever.

I laughed, then I was like "hmmm, some of this I would like"

Your forgot to add

-All the non-popular classes takes weeks to level at the same pace as the popular cause they suck at @Burn@ TP

Your Friendly Neighbor Spid.....Lavinia

That would take care of most of the griping lol

You forgot "Addition of a signet buff that you must return to your home nation and get from an NPC in order to be able to kill any mob that could possibly yield experience.

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Originally Posted by Ilean

lol

Most retarded list ever.

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No, this list isn't retarded, it's TRUE. rofl

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Originally Posted by Ilean

lol

Most retarded list ever.

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I see you never played FFXI.

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Originally Posted by Aver

I see you never played FFXI.

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I see you haven't either. List is exaggerated up the ass.

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Originally Posted by Demacia

I see you haven't either. List is exaggerated up the ass.

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Exaggerations or not, they get the point across very well. And I played XI from US beta to Abyssea, I do believe I know what I'm talking about. Maybe it's changed now, but I'm far to jaded to go back to that pos.

post made me smile gusse thats worth a thumbs up lol

"-At the beginning of the game you pick what class you want, the game starts you out as another class and you have to level to 30 to unlock the one you originally wanted"

Best bit in the whole sarcastic post.

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Originally Posted by Ooh

1. This post = genius.

2. I love all the people not getting it, bless their hearts.

3. Lu Shang's Fishing rod...

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That stupid quest made me a fortune bazaaring my worm balls in windurst!

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Originally Posted by Ilean

lol

Most retarded list ever.

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Excuse me sir, are you implying that a list of things carried over from a game many people have devoted themselves loyally to is RETARDED? Are you then, by extension, calling those who want to see these changes retarded? I do hope you think for a moment and apologize to all those who have put so much time and effort into requesting the changes in this list.

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Originally Posted by JAH

"-At the beginning of the game you pick what class you want, the game starts you out as another class and you have to level to 30 to unlock the one you originally wanted"

Best bit in the whole sarcastic post.

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Don't forget, first you have to level something to 18 to get a subjob. Level that to 15 then go back to the 18 class and level that to 30 so you can qualify for a quest to unlock the job you really want to play.

this topic is still alive ?

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Originally Posted by Akumu

I would like to also add: Sitting in one of the main cities for hours(sometimes days) hoping to get a party invite until SE add a level sync feature years later...Then having more days to spend trying to level your gimp weapon skill.

lmao Loyalty Mode...

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To start... Yes, I got the joke in the OP and do agree with some of what he lists there as being less than great ideas or implementations of otherwise good ideas. I've had my share of "WTF were they thinking?" moments while playing XI over the years, to be sure. Most of them have been since WoTG came out and SE's been trying to retro-fit XI to be more "casual friendly".

However, other things on that list, though characterized as "bad things" were actually quite fine and consistent with the type of experience XI was designed to be. XI wasn't designed to be a "quick race to end-game" like newer MMOs have become. It was designed to be a long-term adventure through a massive and complex virtual world with tons of things going on.

It didn't sit well with people who were only interested in leveling as fast as possible and racing through the content when they had to, bypassing it completely when they could. But then, I think it's pretty clear those aren't the people XI was designed for.

When you're in a hurry, everything seems to "take too long". Many MMO players these days are forever in a hurry.

Yet, for those who approached it as an adventure, as a long-term hobby, not a short term race to the finish line... the game provides many great and memorable experiences. It's all in how you approach it. When you're not in a hurry and just enjoying the journey, how long something takes doesn't even occur to you.

Many of the things in that list could have been better implemented. Most of them, though, I think were just fine for that setting. A number of them come back more to how people approached them than the systems themselves.

Speaking of "how people approached them"...

Akumu, you illustrate one of the things in XI that drove me nuts... and (like many other perceived "flaws" in the game) it was the players' doing, not SE's.

For years, players leveled up in normal parties and gained xp/levels and skillups at the same time. This way, their skills were almost always up-to-date, or no more than one or two job levels behind. There was never a problem. People seldom ever had "gimped" skills. When you hit 75, you could be reasonably sure your skills were only equivalent of one or two job levels behind and would catch up in short time.

Level-Sync was introduced and people immediately adopted it as a way to level their jobs faster, without considering how having no skillups when capped could affect their performance later. People didn't care, because it meant "faster levels and xp" which, in their tunnel vision, is all many players seem to care about these days; "How can I level as fast as possible?".

The attitude was, "Meh... We can get the skillups in a party later on", which meant hours in Boyadha Tree or one of the tunnels skilling up on crabs.

This is one of the best examples of /facepalm worthy behavior I've ever seen by players in a MMO. In their obsession with "leveling up to cap in less time", they actually gave them self twice the work.

Had they stuck to parties in areas closer to their actual level, instead of leveling up to 75 while sync'd down to 22 in Qufim Island or elsewhere, they'd earn their levels and their skillups and they wouldn't have to go back and grind out skillups.

I actually asked people about this.. "You realize you're doing twice the work to get the same result you would if you just leveled up in normal parties, closer to or at your actual job level?" They'd agree it was pretty dumb, but "it's what people did", so they went along with it... complaining the whole way.

The scenario you describe was 100% the players' fault. They chose to use level sync in that way. It's not how they had to use it.

The problem with people (many of them anyway) is that they always immediately look for someone or something else to blame when they make poor decisions. Instead of stopping and thinking, "Hmm... you know, if we xp'd on mobs closer to our actual job level and didn't sync so far below it, we would get more skillups and would have a lot less, if any, catching up to do later". But of course, in their conceit, many people won't do this. So, instead we get "Stupid SE making us spend hours grinding our skillups to catch up with all the levels we got while sync'd down to 20 on our level 70 jobs..."

Same thing with the Dunes. If I had a nickel for every time I saw someone say "I can't believe SE made the Dunes the only place you can level up to 20", I'd have enough to pay a subscription for a year. If I had a nickel for every time they also refused to acknowledge that other options do exist and that the Dunes isn't the only place you can level to 20... I'd have enough for two years of subscriptions. Again, people making poor choices, then blaming someone/something else for the result.

Typical.

Great post OP. The reaction from some of the posters here were even better though. FFXIV fanbois r mad.

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

XI wasn't designed to be a "quick race to end-game" like newer MMOs have become. It was designed to be a long-term adventure through a massive and complex virtual world with tons of things going on.

When you're in a hurry, everything seems to "take too long". Many MMO players these days are forever in a hurry.

Yet, for those who approached it as an adventure, as a long-term hobby, not a short term race to the finish line... the game provides many great and memorable experiences. It's all in how you approach it. When you're not in a hurry and just enjoying the journey, how long something takes doesn't even occur to you.

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I agreed with this whole point you were making here. I partially wish I had seen FFXI as a hobby when it first came out. It would have changed my perspective on the game. However, it was not sold as a hobby, it was sold as a videogame comparable to FFX.

From reading about FFXI I was mesmerized by the idea of other people in your city who you could talk to. I imagined a city full of people lounging around and just having a good time like the NPCs seem to be having in other RPGs. I imagined having conversations and going on adventures. But let me tell you about my very first hours in FFXI. The game started you in a city with no prior backstory. You're there, and you start talking to NPCs. One NPC in San'doria gives you a quest to turn in bat wings. So I go out to fulfill this quest. After a while I wind up with 200 gil. A potion vendored for about 6k. Shoes cost someone around 1k if I remember right. I wound up with enough gil to buy my shoes, but I realized for the exact same amount of time I could have literally made minimum wage somewhere and bought a pair of $60 Nike shoes with the wages. In that sense, it was a huge waste of time. There was no sense of adventure. It was just a pointless grind. It wasn't that I was in a hurry.. there was simply nothing fun about it.

I think that highlights a lot of people's overall experience with FFXI who didn't make it very far. For those who did, including myself later on, you're absolutely right that the game provides many great and memorable experiences. It really was a long-term adventure through a massive and virtual world. However, I think you'll agree with me that that is only half of the story of FFXI.

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

Speaking of "how people approached them"...

Akumu, you illustrate one of the things in XI that drove me nuts... and (like many other perceived "flaws" in the game) it was the players' doing, not SE's.

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I completely see your point of view, but I'd like to bring something to your attention. It's useful to look at the environment when thinking about the behavior of people. Environment always factors in. And it factors in to this situation. Who designs the environment? Guess who, the dev team. Through the creation of the environment the dev team is determining the behavior of players. Like you implied the players always had a choice to resist the environment and, for instance, level in parties away from the Dunes. But that is like swimming upstream. It's hard to find 5 other fishes and convince them all to swim upstream when there's a strong current carrying you to the Dunes. You haven't yet appreciated the role of the dev team in designing the dynamic environment that created the conditions of player behavior you noticed.

I really don't think the dev team was aware that they had even created an environment to the extent that they had. I really don't think they realized that if they had changed this or changed that how different things would have turned out.

The team is more aware now. It used to be in FFXIV that you had everyone solo grinding Coblyns. The players picked the path of least resistance to grinding. The dev team stepped in and raised the HP, changing the environment and the path of least resistance. Now you have leve linking parties and raptor parties. What changed, the players or the environment?

So as you can see the blame truly does lie on the dev team and not the players for these kinds of bad experiences from FFXI. And in the case of Akumu, he played years before level sync. They added level sync, what, 6 or 7 years after launch? My skills were super gimp too once I hit 75. Did you level early on? And what job? Mine and Akumu's experience from leveling with traditional parties was gimped skills, due to game design, or more accurately, the lack thereof.

So I'm really glad you posted, because you brought to light this truly valuable discussion of the great adventure of FFXI combined with the truly ridiculous timesink. That's what a lot of us see in FFXIV, a long-term, grand adventure.

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Originally Posted by Vivik

Great post OP. The reaction from some of the posters here were even better though. FFXIV fanbois r mad.

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lol. thanks

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Originally Posted by Ceons

Don't forget, first you have to level something to 18 to get a subjob. Level that to 15 then go back to the 18 class and level that to 30 so you can qualify for a quest to unlock the job you really want to play.

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Also, lol yeah wow so true. I might have to edit that in...

Yes, also add the sub job quest where you had to kill 3 different enemies to get a special rare drop from each to turn in and unlock the ability to sub a job. The run to jeuno that took an hour when you were level 20. The 6 hour quest to obtain a chocobo license. The level 25 quest where you had to get a key drop from every cities enemy territory by beating on endless mobs for hours, to get a special airship pass that went to one zone only where you exped past level 25. The airship pass that you got only after completing several missions and becoming rank 6. (or coffing out 600k which was a lot of gil at the time since no mobs dropped money...)
The first zone you went to group in was 25min walk or more and the nearby village had no homepoint so if you died and had no raise you had to wait (or run) for 25-30mins till your group was together again to exp.

Despite all of this I did play XI for years and it was my first MMO and I had some great times...

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Originally Posted by Ceons

Yes, also add the sub job quest. The run to jeuno that took an hour when you were level 20. The 6 hour quest to obtain a chocobo license. The level 25 quest where you had to get a key drop from every cities enemy territory by beating on endless mobs for hours. The airship pass that you got only after completing several missions and becoming rank 6. (or coffing out 600k which was a lot of gil at the time since no mobs dropped money...)
The first zone you went to group in was 25min walk or more and the nearby village had no homepoint so if you died and had no raise you had to wait (or run) for 25-30mins till your group was together again to exp.

Despite all of this I did play XI for years and it was my first MMO and I had some great times...

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Actually Selbina had a homepoint and they added nomad moogles in the recent years. Walking to dunes took 15 minutes too, but the chocobo quest is complete BS. XI had a ton of flaws and was extremely unforgiving but I still loved the shit out of that game.

I am calling your list retarded.

I could care less about how many no-lifers devoted themselves to it, and since you want to bring argumentum ad populum into the discussion (look it up!), I will also say that I bet there were many more people who didn't like XI than people who liked it. XIV should stay a game for people with full-time jobs, families, etc..

Good day lolsir!

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Originally Posted by Neptune

Excuse me sir, are you implying that a list of things carried over from a game many people have devoted themselves loyally to is RETARDED? Are you then, by extension, calling those who want to see these changes retarded? I do hope you think for a moment and apologize to all those who have put so much time and effort into requesting the changes in this list.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

I agreed with this whole point you were making here. I partially wish I had seen FFXI as a hobby when it first came out. It would have changed my perspective on the game. However, it was not sold as a hobby, it was sold as a videogame comparable to FFX.

From reading about FFXI I was mesmerized by the idea of other people in your city who you could talk to. I imagined a city full of people lounging around and just having a good time like the NPCs seem to be having in other RPGs. I imagined having conversations and going on adventures. But let me tell you about my very first hours in FFXI. The game started you in a city with no prior backstory. You're there, and you start talking to NPCs. One NPC in San'doria gives you a quest to turn in bat wings. So I go out to fulfill this quest. After a while I wind up with 200 gil. A potion vendored for about 6k. Shoes cost someone around 1k if I remember right. I wound up with enough gil to buy my shoes, but I realized for the exact same amount of time I could have literally made minimum wage somewhere and bought a pair of $60 Nike shoes with the wages. In that sense, it was a huge waste of time. There was no sense of adventure. It was just a pointless grind. It wasn't that I was in a hurry.. there was simply nothing fun about it.

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I experienced the same overall things as you did when I first started.

I started on the day of the NA US release, where *no one*, in the Western market knew what was going on. Unlike you, however, I was fascinated with FFXI from the first hour or so I played it. By the time I logged out that first evening, I was hooked.

I loved how small and lost I felt in this massive world. I loved having to work things out on my own, asking other players for help, or providing help to others when I could (all of which was the beginning of FFXI's oft-praised community).

I still remember feeling like E. Sarutabaruta - merely Windurst's "backyard" - was massive. Running to Starfall Hillock from the Port Windurst gate for the first time felt like this enormous trek into unknown land... I ate it up. I loved having to speak to NPCs to find out who they were, what they did and what they, perhaps, needed from me. I loved that there were no ! or ? or other such indicators over their heads. I had to seek them out. Just like in a classic FF game.

I loved not having gil thrown at me and having to earn what I obtained... what you might (and others certainly do) consider "work", I considered providing an additional level of immersion.

I loved feeling like I'd been dropped into another world where I had to learn and earn my own way, instead of having everything spelled and laid out for me.

It wasn't for everyone, of course. But that's always the case with anything. Nothing is going to be "for" everyone, nor can it be. We're going to try things - foods, movies, books, music, games, etc - that are not going to appeal to us, even though they appeal to many others. We may not "get" why others like it. We also don't have to. Take any given product of any category and you're going to find the same disparity between those who think it's the best thing ever, those who think it's the worst thing ever... and all manner of shades in-between.

People simply need to accept that not everything they decide to try - be it a MMO, a book, a new restaurant, and so on - is going to appeal to them. That doesn't mean there's been some kind of "failure" on the company's part. It just means they've tried something that wasn't up their alley. No harm done. No crime committed.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

I think that highlights a lot of people's overall experience with FFXI who didn't make it very far. For those who did, including myself later on, you're absolutely right that the game provides many great and memorable experiences. It really was a long-term adventure through a massive and virtual world. However, I think you'll agree with me that that is only half of the story of FFXI.

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I absolutely agree with you and, in fact, stated in my previous post that the game definitely has its share of "WTF were they thinking" aspects to it for me.

For the most part, though, I recognized those as things that I personally had a problem with... but others certainly didn't. I wasn't right and they weren't wrong. We just had different points-of-view on a given issue.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

I completely see your point of view, but I'd like to bring something to your attention. It's useful to look at the environment when thinking about the behavior of people. Environment always factors in. And it factors in to this situation. Who designs the environment? Guess who, the dev team. Through the creation of the environment the dev team is determining the behavior of players. Like you implied the players always had a choice to resist the environment and, for instance, level in parties away from the Dunes. But that is like swimming upstream. It's hard to find 5 other fishes and convince them all to swim upstream when there's a strong current carrying you to the Dunes. You haven't yet appreciated the role of the dev team in designing the dynamic environment that created the conditions of player behavior you noticed.

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How do you feel they are responsible for people insisting that the Dunes in XI was the "only viable area to level in to level 20"? It clearly wasn't. I leveled 3 jobs on the Windurst side before I stepped foot in the Dunes. It was no faster or slower, no easier or harder. Just different mobs and different landscapes.

If it's "because people didn't want to have to travel by ferry to get to the Windurst side" (a reason I've seen a lot regarding this question), all I'll ask is... How is that any different than people on the Windurst side having to travel by ferry to Selbina? Same trip. Same amount of time. Absolutely the same level range mobs on both sides of the trip... and so on.

There was nothing about the "environment" relating to why people feel the Dunes is the only place you can level to 20. People made the Dunes the "official place to level" because it's where everyone seemed to decide to go. Since most, or at least many, people are perfectly happy to go with the crowd... the Dunes became where everyone went by default.

The reason they insisted and believed that Valkurm was "the only place you could level to 20" was purely through ignorance... either willful or otherwise.

Also, many people I've noticed seem to insist on latching on to the idea of "how you're supposed to play". Anything that works and becomes commonplace is deemed as such, until something newer and better comes along to replace it. Then that new thing becomes "how you're supposed to play". In that way, "leveling to 20 in the Dunes" became just another incarnation of that mindset.

Again... nothing about the area design "made that happen". That entire ordeal is entirely the result of the way people think and behave.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

The team is more aware now. It used to be in FFXIV that you had everyone solo grinding Coblyns. The players picked the path of least resistance to grinding. The dev team stepped in and raised the HP, changing the environment and the path of least resistance. Now you have leve linking parties and raptor parties. What changed, the players or the environment?

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Valid point, but not a good comparison to what I'm talking about.

You're talking about a single type of mob which was adjusted to keep people from leveling solely on them.

I'm talking about two different regions of a game being equally effective in leveling from 10-20, but people refusing to try one of them because leveling solely in the other had been deemed "How you're supposed to play the game". It was 100% "follow the pack" mentality combined with a closed mind to anything beyond what they were used to.
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Originally Posted by Neptune

So as you can see the blame truly does lie on the dev team and not the players for these kinds of bad experiences from FFXI. And in the case of Akumu, he played years before level sync. They added level sync, what, 6 or 7 years after launch? My skills were super gimp too once I hit 75. Did you level early on? And what job? Mine and Akumu's experience from leveling with traditional parties was gimped skills, due to game design, or more accurately, the lack thereof.

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Yes, I did level early on... quite a bit. Daily. For hours when possible. Any time I could. Like I said at the start.. I was hooked lol.

That said, I stated that you could still be behind on skillups when you leveled up. But it was typically 1 or 2.. *maybe* 3 job levels worth, which did not take long to catch up in a typical party, fighting mobs comparable to your actual level (not your active, sync'd one).

That is nothing like what I'm describing, where people are dinging 75 in Qufim Island, and their skills have not increased since their job level was 40. Even 10 or more job levels worth of skillups is far from normal.

It was also a very different mindset, overall, back then (at least on Pandemonium). People took leveling their skills very seriously and did their best to keep them as current as possible. Somewhere along the line, that changed... and now the only reason people seem at all concerned about skillups is when they're complaining about how long they have to grind on crabs in Boyadha Tree to catch them up.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

So I'm really glad you posted, because you brought to light this truly valuable discussion of the great adventure of FFXI combined with the truly ridiculous timesink. That's what a lot of us see in FFXIV, a long-term, grand adventure.

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Heheh.. No problem. I could reminisce about FFXI for hours. Easily.

In fact, I'm pretty sure I have in the past.

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

I experienced the same overall things as you did when I first started.

I started on the day of the NA US release, where *no one*, in the Western market knew what was going on. Unlike you, however, I was fascinated with FFXI from the first hour or so I played it. By the time I logged out that first evening, I was hooked.

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I'm pretty sure skillups wound up looking a little different then compared to later on. I started really playing in 2007 and my skills were super gimp. I'm not sure if it was 1 - 3 levels worth, but it was probably 40 hours worth of grinding at least. I know they made some adjustments to exp needed to level at some point, perhaps it made skills more gimp.

I'll write more later!

Oh my goddd I played for like 5 years FFXI.. my FFXIV experience is gonna be doomed now..!

Hahaha, can't believe I didn't read this post before! OP really does just want to be playing XI. Go back to it my friend, no harm in it. Loved that game, and who knows? I may pick it up again after all these years. But the post is unreasonable. They are attempting to make a game both soloable and function in a group setting. Mandatory hourly grind/quest/camping sentences don't appeal like they used to. Mainly because people have lives and a plethora of other gaming adventures to carry out. End note; balance of time consumption based on reward value are what I think a lot of people want, not staring at a screen displaying an empty snowy tundra waiting 1-72hrs for KB (insert any other HNM) to appear.

I love people who necro a thread just to say "Hey guyz, I dunt get it!"

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Originally Posted by Grey-dex

Hahaha, can't believe I didn't read this post before! OP really does just want to be playing XI. Go back to it my friend, no harm in it. Loved that game, and who knows? I may pick it up again after all these years. But the post is unreasonable.

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Neptune was making a sarcastic joke poking fun at all of those who look back at FFXI's flaws with rose colored glasses. It was not meant to be taken seriously.

This thread has become a place for us to voice our grievances with the things we loved to hate about FFXI, and realize, despite fond memories, that it was certainly not a perfect game.

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Originally Posted by Grey-dex

Hahaha, can't believe I didn't read this post before! OP really does just want to be playing XI. Go back to it my friend, no harm in it. Loved that game, and who knows? I may pick it up again after all these years. But the post is unreasonable. They are attempting to make a game both soloable and function in a group setting. Mandatory hourly grind/quest/camping sentences don't appeal like they used to. Mainly because people have lives and a plethora of other gaming adventures to carry out. End note; balance of time consumption based on reward value are what I think a lot of people want, not staring at a screen displaying an empty snowy tundra waiting 1-72hrs for KB (insert any other HNM) to appear.

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Fail >< lol. Due to the maturity of this thread we are going to raise the level cap of this thread to 99. I in fact agree with you sir!

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

and realize, despite fond memories, that it was certainly not a perfect game.

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Spoken like a saint.

A month later - IT LIVES ANEW!

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I'd play Loyalty Mode just for the massive amounts of content it has!
Yes, it would take a few years to do it all, but look how much there is to do!

Instead of wearing just one set of gear all the time, you're now expected to constantly switch gear to "better optimize" your performance. Also, spells can be interrupted in any form or fashion, including but not limited to moving, sitting, getting hit, getting stunned, and getting silenced.

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A month later - IT LIVES ANEW!

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I'd play Loyalty Mode just for the massive amounts of content it has!
Yes, it would take a few years to do it all, but look how much there is to do!

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LOYALTY MODE - Making The Same Content Take Longer Since 2011

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Originally Posted by jwang

Instead of wearing just one set of gear all the time, you're now expected to constantly switch gear to "better optimize" your performance. Also, spells can be interrupted in any form or fashion, including but not limited to moving, sitting, getting hit, getting stunned, and getting silenced.

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Ah yes, a wise addition.