Problem: The Mentor requirements cater to players who have no business being Mentors.

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

Or rather, if you don't feel like mentoring today, people expect you to disable the crown.

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I mean, you should. The crown is supposed to show people that you are there to help people. If you're not helping people at the time, you should be turning the thing off.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie-Veil

I mean, you should. The crown is supposed to show people that you are there to help people. If you're not helping people at the time, you should be turning the thing off.

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Or maybe you're willing to help people in the Novice Network with general basic questions, but not really in the mood to teach parties the mechanics to Titan Extreme.


Also, I'm more of a mentor that helps only when asked. Just because the words "New player bonus" appear in your instance doesn't necessarily mean people want help or advice. Most people want to live and learn. This is why they don't watch video guides for new fights, right?

Also; I've actually had a new player quit a dungeon, because I was trying to explain to them why popping regen on the tank before a pull is a bad thing. He didn't care though, and continued to do it anyway; He was more interested in clearing the dungeon as quick as possible rather then taking anytime at all to learn his class.

It's not always "Bad mentors" there's also rotten sprouts to.

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

Or maybe you're willing to help people in the Novice Network with general basic questions, but not really in the mood to teach parties the mechanics to Titan Extreme.

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Then don't queue for Titan Extreme with the crown enabled?

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

if you want more than 1500 recommendations, that means that you don't want that person to ever use any DPS class in duty finder and you forgot about gathering and crafting mentors.

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Huh? I get comms as DPS fairly frequently. I get more as tank/healer simply because I queue as those roles more, but it's no surprise to me to get a few here and there as DPS. No matter what role I'm in, I just go out of my way to make the run go smoothly for the other players. If I go in as healer, I normally queue with a friend as tank. He does big pulls, I DPS my face off. Sometimes one of us gets both comms. Sometimes we get one each. Sometimes only one of us gets one or even neither of us. It's kind of up in the air. I don't expect them simply for queueing tank/healer, though. We already get rewarded for that in the form of instant queues and the nice part is if we end up with DPS that don't exactly do good damage, we can easily carry.

As for the mentor thing, I personally only did it to unlock the roulette and the achievements. I don't join the Novice Network because I already have enough trouble filtering the amount of spam that comes in through my chatbox between FC chat and linkshells. Mentor roulette has been a mixed bag for me, honestly. Sometimes I get level 10 guildhests. Other times I end up spending an hour getting my ass kicked by Odin trying to get 4 brand new people that have no idea of the mechanics through the fight.

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

Also, unrelated. I love how people with the crown are expected to be mentoring 24/7. Or rather, if you don't feel like mentoring today, people expect you to disable the crown.

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I don't see how that's such an onerous request. It's not exactly hard to turn off.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie-Veil

Then don't queue for Titan Extreme with the crown enabled?

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It's like you don't read my entire post...

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

I don't see how that's such an onerous request. It's not exactly hard to turn off.

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It's not, but then again it's easy to forget you even have it on. Especially if you have your name display turned off outside combat. I do that with busy status all the time.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

I don't see how that's such an onerous request. It's not exactly hard to turn off.

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Most people don't even want help. If you have ever been in the mentor channel, you would know that the most often asked question is "How do I leave this?"

The entire mentor system is pointless wither the crown is enabled or disabled.

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Originally Posted by Hakuro89

It's not, but then again it's easy to forget you even have it on. Especially if you have your name display turned off outside combat. I do that with busy status all the time.

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^ Also this!

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

It's like you don't read my entire post...

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Whats wrong with what she said? or do your spend your time in EX fights chatting in the mentor channel. You can turn it back on when you get out.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

Whats wrong with what she said? or do your spend your time in EX fights chatting in the mentor channel. You can turn it back on when you get out.

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You can enable the status when you get out yes, but do you realize how long it would actually take to get back into the mentor channel with so many mentors online? Sometimes it's a miracle to get in there at all.

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

You can enable the status when you get out yes, but do you realize how long it would actually take to get back into the mentor channel with so many mentors online? Sometimes it's a miracle to get in there at all.

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Then deal with the fuss of people expecting you to help. You make the choice and take the bad with the good.

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

The entire mentor system is pointless wither the crown is enabled or disabled.

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If it's so pointless, then disabling it when you don't feel like helping shouldn't be a problem at all.

Unless what you really want is to sit and chat with other mentors in Novice Network?

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

If it's so pointless, then disabling it when you don't feel like helping shouldn't be a problem at all.

Unless what you really want is to sit and chat with other mentors in Novice Network?

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Yep.
/10car

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

Yep.
/10car

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So, the root of the problem is that you're selfish. Got it.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie-Veil

So, the root of the problem is that you're selfish. Got it.

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I'm selfish? Why? Because I'm a mentor? Or because I don't want to disable the status for one or two instances when I run with friends? I didn't realize mentoring was a full time job without breaks.

You can call me selfish if you want to. It won't fix or solve anything in regards to the discussion. So if petty little remarks like that is the direction of this conversation then I'm not going to speak to you any further.

Have a good day miss, and I wish you the best in trying to change the system. o7

It all boils down to people simply wanting that crown next to their names.

The devs said the crown was there to notify players (especially new players) that they're Mentors: people willing to help.

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Originally Posted by myahele

It all boils down to people simply wanting that crown next to their names.

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HA! as I read this, a real piece of work from an old FC just ran past with one on! He was a dingleberry to everyone in his runs, and lower skill to boot. No way is he helping.

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

I'm selfish? Why? Because I'm a mentor? Or because I don't want to disable the status for one or two instances when I run with friends? I didn't realize mentoring was a full time job without breaks.

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It's not a full-time job, but you are choosing not to turn off the status even when you don't want to help. That's like... okay, here's an example. Take a store like Best Buy or Target where the employees have an actual uniform. What you're doing would be like someone showing up to their job on their day off with their uniform and nametag on, and then telling customers that ask them for help that they aren't on the clock and are really just there so they can get back into the break room to chat with their co-workers. It's misleading at best, and you really can't blame people that expect you to help when you have that "uniform" on.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

It's not a full-time job, but you are choosing not to turn off the status even when you don't want to help. That's like... okay, here's an example. Take a store like Best Buy or Target where the employees have an actual uniform. What you're doing would be like someone showing up to their job on their day off with their uniform and nametag on, and then telling customers that ask them for help that they aren't on the clock and are really just there so they can get back into the break room to chat with their co-workers. It's misleading at best, and you really can't blame people that expect you to help when you have that "uniform" on.

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You worded it much better than I could have. I apologize that I touched a nerve, Vivi. I am not the most eloquent person.

If you really just want to chat, make a linkshell?

At least you get paid to help at Target. Besides I'm sure if someone asked for help she would, she just shouldn't be expected to drop everything to instantly respond. And it's not like the mentor crown is a uniform with obligations. Just a symbol that shows a character's relative experience.

last time i was in a best buy i asked for help finding a headset and the employee pointed over my shoulder at the opposite side of the store couldnt even be bothered to show me where it is i hate best buy havent been back and why is everyone talking about retail stores anyway

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

It's not a full-time job, but you are choosing not to turn off the status even when you don't want to help. That's like... okay, here's an example. Take a store like Best Buy or Target where the employees have an actual uniform. What you're doing would be like someone showing up to their job on their day off with their uniform and nametag on, and then telling customers that ask them for help that they aren't on the clock and are really just there so they can get back into the break room to chat with their co-workers. It's misleading at best, and you really can't blame people that expect you to help when you have that "uniform" on.

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That reminds me of a Dave Chappelle joke.

I had already met the requirements to be a Mentor since I started in 2013 and had each role leveled. While I have PLD, DRK, NIN, BRD, WHM, and DRG at Lv60, I'm not a "Mentor", since I still am not 100% fluent and knowledgeable of my jobs. I mean, NIN is main at iLv223, but there are NINs with lesser iLvs who perform better than me. My DRK/PLD is iLv215. While I can tank effectively, there's that lower iLv tank that can out-dps my tanks while both of us are MT at different times.

That said, I'll never attempt to teach someone how to play a job, or what rotations to use, because the little things I'm good/excel at:

NIN: Keeping dots up, Shade Walker on MT constantly, Goading without being told, getting that Trick Attack in, doing mechanics...
BRD: Keeping dots up, required songs are up, stopping WAR's Pacification...
WHM: Rarely would someone die. I can keep heals going even with low MP...

...there's other people who do far better. Like, being good at healing kinda means nothing to many players if I'm not dps'ing as WHM. My utilities on NIN and BRD are on point, but there's the damage-out complaints.

I didn't read all of posts in this thread, but I agree with the OP.

I've had plenty of dungeons where the "mentor" was not acting like a mentor at all. I've had some who were very rude. Others who begin to pull the boss before the newcomer has a chance to view the storyline cutscene. Others who kick a player when they don't perform well, instead of teaching them how to do it.

I've had mentor tanks who never use a single cooldown during the entire run.

I've had mentor DPS who decide the tank isn't moving fast enough, pull more and more mobs, and when the tank can't hold all of the threat or dies, get upset.

In fact, I have never once been in a dungeon where I saw a mentor give a single piece of useful, kind advice to another player.

I am certain there are some good mentors out there and I don't know what goes on the Novice network, but whenever I am in a dungeon and someone has the crown next to their name, I am immediately put on alert. Not all of the ones I am in a dungeon with are bad by any means, but some of them are and they actions made me suspicious of the other ones. Call it one bad apple spoiling the barrel.

The people who have helped me most in this game are people who are not mentors.

Huh, it's now selfish to have on a certain online status or to sit in a chat channel? This thread is going places... Just imagine the amount of status toggling when a mentor goes to farm fates. :'D Showing that you are a mentor doesn't mean that you become a payed employee and stop being a player. As a mentor you should feel obliged to show some basic decency and be understanding of sprouts regardless of what your online status is, but it's ridiculous to think you have to be ready to serve people like an employee at all times if you dare to have the crown on.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Huh, it's now selfish to have on a certain online status or to sit in a chat channel? This thread is going places... Just imagine the amount of status toggling when a mentor goes to farm fates. :'D Showing that you are a mentor doesn't mean that you become a payed employer and stop being a player. As a mentor you should feel obliged to show some basic decency and be understanding of sprouts regardless of what your online status is, but it's ridiculous to think you have to be ready to serve people like an employee at all times if you dare to have the crown on.

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yeah , as mentor i would answer any questions , or explain boss when asked , but dont tell me im forced to go and help every1 in the game because thats not what mentors are for....

gotta love too ppl that say that all the mentors they find are horrible ....now i understand how Drg feel.... 2 rotten apples and we need to burn the whole tree ....

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

The entire mentor system is pointless wither the crown is enabled or disabled.

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

Or because I don't want to disable the status for one or two instances when I run with friends? I didn't realize mentoring was a full time job without breaks.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Huh, it's now selfish to have on a certain online status or to sit in a chat channel? This thread is going places...

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I got all of this just by talking to the Smith. And I took screenshots highlighting the part about identifying as a mentor while the setting is active. I don't think this can be made any clearer. If you have no intention of acting like a Mentor, be a grown up and toggle that crown off.

Thank you for your understanding.

I love it when people read to deep in another's words when the point was clear from the start. Mentors get rewards for being mentors. You can be the worse possible mentor but still be rewarded. You can just be a straight up ***hole and also be rewarded. SQ needs a better requirement for Mentor titles to avoid people abusing their titles. Basically what he said.

Imo based on my general experiences, they should rename Mentors to Divas, or just eliminate the crown symbol so that the "I don't want any responsibility but I think everyone should know I've completed multiple menial, yet time consuming tasks" people have nothing to cling on to.

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Originally Posted by Torunya

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then SE needs to put a /mentor on /mentor off ,if they really expect ppl to travel to the npc everytime u want to do your own "adventures".....and back after u finish....yeah not gonna happen....

I can't say if the program could be better, but I feel the need to say it is really helpful.

As a (returning without ever having subscribed or played much at opening) week old player, the mentors have been wonderful on my server. In that time I only saw one who shocked me, calling a sprout a scrub for not wanting to craft - no explanations why, just the words. I have not seen that mentor say anything else since.

Ultimately, the program seems to be good as it stands. From where i sit, as a sprout with stars in my eyes and everything fresh and exciting, the mentors as a whole seem good, helpful, friendly. As a new player, I am not sure i could easily cope with the complexity of some things without their assistance.

Mind you, now I have an awesome FC, so the mentors are less needed, but it's nice to know they are there and it's nice to have my sprout too, 'L' plates so the experienced people who get me tanking on roulette are warned XD

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

then SE needs to put a /mentor on /mentor off ,if they really expect ppl to travel to the npc everytime u want to do your own "adventures".....and back after u finish....yeah not gonna happen....

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Resigning as a Mentor =/= toggling the Mentor status off. You do not need to go to the Smith to toggle the Mentor status off.

http://i.imgur.com/5hoXqgH.png

Go to Party -> Party members -> Right click yourself (or whatever they do on ps3\4) -> Edit search info -> Change status.

Yeah, it a bit convoluted, but no need to go to npc and resign yourself. Btw is 30 days penalty is still there?

P.S. How to hide the image in expandable tag?

The white knighting from the people in this thread hurts so much; that it's essentially cringe worthy.

This is why I don't ever want to be a mentor. All of this "Your selfish", "Your just jealous", talk going back and forth talk is so childish, that it makes everyone seem like a bunch of immature first graders acting out to get attention. (Mentors and non-mentors alike!).

This entire thread is basically borderline troll bait.

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

The white knighting from the people in this thread hurts so much; that it's essentially cringe worthy.

This is why I don't ever want to be a mentor. All of this "Your selfish", "Your just jealous", talk going back and forth talk is so childish, that it makes everyone seem like a bunch of immature first graders acting out to get attention. (Mentors and non-mentors alike!).

This entire thread is basically borderline troll bait.

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All the Mentor system will amount to is Self Entitlement pissing contest. Childish.

The mentor system is useful and helpful, it's only flaw was this wanna be civil war it created just by existing. People who were jerks before it started are still jerks and people who were friendly are still friendly. The mentor system let's people new to the game experience both while giving them and the mentors access to a unique chat system and mentors an extra dungeon option. It is nothing more or less than that. This entire thread is a series of proofs that when looking at a white cloth the first thing the eyes lock onto is the one smudge of dirt that stands out and calling the entire cloth a waste.

I love these threads. The whole mentor system is a hot mess. Making up a character status to "help people" is too ambiguous and therefore lots of people with less than kind intentions want to be one. After all, how best to hide the fact that people call you bad or unkind by flaunting a mentor badge ("This badge proves them wrong! THEY WERE ALL WRONG I TELL YOU!"). The whole wolf in sheep's clothing, amirite?

Now we have someone saying the mentor system is a hot mess, not because of merits of the system itself but merely because they can't be one? Oh, I guess they are the only unworthy one. They are like a baby wolf that couldn't even put on the sheep's clothing properly. Someday baby wolf, you will get there! Many other wolves in sheep's clothing for you to play with soon. Sadly, not many for you to prey on though when you get there. The other wolves ate them already.

That's awfully demonizing. This isn't world of Warcraft trade chat. The vast majority are willing to help, especially as there are rules against trolling that are worked to be upheld by both the community and the game management. It's the oddballs that cause the problems. As for the mentor roulette, well the bad performers are bad, no denying, but once again it's the minority that gain attention and ruin the experience for others. Though I do agree, the thread starter definitely has a skewed agenda.

I like the mentor system because it lets me know who the douchebags are. I haven't met a nice person yet with a crown next to their name. Thank you, SE.

You must not be looking very hard. It's the trouble makers that stand out, while the actual helpful players wait and watch for opportunities to help and are therefore overlooked.