Yoshida on Patch 3.2 Content - Famitsu Translation

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

Stopped reading there. That is completely false.

As for your note about soloing things, PLD will be superior for some things and weaker on other things. Go figure.

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No it's not. It's a well established truth from years of research. Character class selection is very dependent on psychological preferences. http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

A PLD had PLENTY of time to single target them down at release, I know cuz I was there. The golem didn't hurt that much lol. AND I was in full vit accessories.

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So was I, and you didn't. It was a major point of frustration for a lot of tank players and got complained about all the time. No point further arguing this. Once again, every time someone points out poorly designed game mechanics is not an opportunity for you to talk about how you are Gamer Jesus, capable of any and all feats mere mortal players cannot do.

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Originally Posted by therpgfanatic

No it's not. It's a well established truth from years of research. Character class selection is very dependent on psychological preferences. http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/



So was I, and you didn't. It was a major point of frustration for a lot of tank players and got complained about all the time. No point further arguing this. Once again, every time someone points out poorly designed game mechanics is not an opportunity for you to talk about how you are Gamer Jesus, capable of any and all feats mere mortal players cannot do.

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WHERE are your sources that a lot of tanks complained about this? I like how you dismiss me just because I had different results. Maybe you and them just didn't know how to play your jobs properly. I run into lots like you in duty finder as it is.

Those maps were not hard. You should probably switch to a dps if you had trouble with them.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

WHERE are your sources that a lot of tanks complained about this? I like how you dismiss me just because I had different results. Maybe you and them just didn't know how to play your jobs properly.

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There's this thing called Google. I suspect you've heard of it. There's even search bars for this forum itself that will lead you to older discussions. It's completely off-topic for this to get into a debate over the encounter itself, which was only used as one commonly experienced example of how PLD lack of AoE contributes to the lack of people willing to play PLD as a tank by creating frustrations that simply do not exist when playing other classes.

You've decided to attack this example and make it about how awesome you think you are, rather than accept the truths in the statement about why people don't play PLD nearly as much as they do other classes, even other tanks. Which is a widely known and established fact.

There's no constructive benefit to your contribution here, which is you just trying to jump at a chance to talk about how l33t you believe yourself to be. At this point, you're just trolling and going forward I'm ignoring your attempt to derail.

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Originally Posted by therpgfanatic

There's this thing called Google. I suspect you've heard of it. There's even search bars for this forum itself that will lead you to older discussions. It's completely off-topic for this to get into a debate over the encounter itself, which was only used as one commonly experienced example of how PLD lack of AoE contributes to the lack of people willing to play PLD as a tank by creating frustrations that simply do not exist when playing other classes.

You've decided to attack this example and make it about how awesome you think you are, rather than accept the truths in the statement about why people don't play PLD nearly as much as they do other classes, even other tanks. Which is a widely known and established fact.

There's no constructive benefit to your contribution here, which is you just trying to jump at a chance to talk about how l33t you believe yourself to be. At this point, you're just trolling and going forward I'm ignoring your attempt to derail.

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Considering you just flat out told me I didn't do something that was incredibly easy to do, and I have never seen any tanks complain about those maps, You haven't really added much to this conversation either. All you have done is tell me I think I'm god, and there was no way i was able to solo maps that the devs designed TO BE SOLO'D.

And really? Me showing how l33t I am? Your example of the map being a matter of luck was a war who ignored the bombs completely. That's not following mechanics, and if that's how you were doing them, no wonder you failed.
You are acting all high and mighty, with your holier than thou attitude over this.

PLD does have problems, but this was before DRK even existed. War and Pld were a LOT closer during 2.0 era, and PLD also had str modifiers on parry/block to increase their mitigation. They definitely need work to bring them back up to par. But this is now and your example was then.

As for the google bit, you are the one stating that tons of tanks complained, its on you to provide that information.

So I just googled it, and all of the people on the first page of google who had issues were NOT tanks.

RE: the map with the golems/bombs: That was easily soloed (some maybe needing their chocobo) on probably any class, including PLD. It was honestly one of the easier maps to get.

If you were rocking Shield Oath and VIT gear, then maybe you might have had a harder time doing enough damage to kill the bombs. Both of those things are the wrong things to do, though.

Any mention of minuet changes for bards?

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Originally Posted by therpgfanatic

You've decided to attack this example and make it about how awesome you think you are, rather than accept the truths in the statement about why people don't play PLD nearly as much as they do other classes, even other tanks.

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The problem is that your example :

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Originally Posted by therpgfanatic

Back when I did my relic quest, all the map farming for alexandrite had to be done on my SMN because I couldn't solo any of the encounters involving more than 3 mobs on my PLD, even with my chocobo specced out for healing.

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is a very weak one. Being able to solo Alexandrite maps is clearly not showing how "good" people are at PLD. Being unable to solo any of them, however, is clearly telling how bad you are.

Moreover, you provided a video showing a WAR blatantly ignoring the mechanics as a way of saying "oh, this map is reeeaaally difficult".
PLD is able to solo A LOT of things.

And on top of that, you claim to educate us on the "truth" about PLD. Don't use such strong words without really strong examples.

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Originally Posted by therpgfanatic

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I failed that map once, because I didn't realize the bombs were set to activate based on the golem's health. Once I learned my lesson, I always just went and killed the bombs as they spawned. They don't explode if you don't continue to damage to golem. Complaining that that one is too difficult, is like complaining that Glasya Labolas is too difficult because you are too stupid to stop attacking him while he's reflecting the damage you do to him back on yourself.

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Originally Posted by therpgfanatic

No it's not. It's a well established truth from years of research. Character class selection is very dependent on psychological preferences. http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/



So was I, and you didn't. It was a major point of frustration for a lot of tank players and got complained about all the time. No point further arguing this. Once again, every time someone points out poorly designed game mechanics is not an opportunity for you to talk about how you are Gamer Jesus, capable of any and all feats mere mortal players cannot do.

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Stop spreading false info to back up your claims that you are terrible. The only people who complained about the Malboro were bards because they had no way to remove or stun the thing. PLD could solo the bombs like other people are saying easily, because like others i did this as well.

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Originally Posted by erish

Stop spreading false info to back up your claims that you are terrible. The only people who complained about the Malboro were bards because they had no way to remove or stun the thing. PLD could solo the bombs like other people are saying easily, because like others i did this as well.

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Malboro bad breath for that map could be stunned, slept, and silenced. All jobs have an interrupt for him.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Malboro bad breath for that map could be stunned, slept, and silenced. All jobs have an interrupt for him.

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ah didnt think it could be silenced, but the more you know, so yeah no real excuse at all to not solo them on PLD then.